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I think he has been hinting at this ever since he began getting the briefings from the higher-ups. It has been said by many intelligent people that Obama would likely have to change his anti-war stance when he finds out about much of the privileged information. Even Joe Biden mentioned that the US would be tested within six months from Obama taking Office of the President, and "they will find out that he (Obama) has a backbone of steel." I think this also hints to the people that it is highly likely we will be going to war with Afghanistan or Iran in the future.

I think he has been hinting at this ever since he began getting the briefings from the higher-ups. It has been said by many intelligent people that Obama would likely have to change his anti-war stance when he finds out about much of the privileged information. Even Joe Biden mentioned that the US would be tested within six months from Obama taking Office of the President, and &quot;they will find out that he (Obama) has a backbone of steel.&quot; I think this also hints to the people that it is highly likely we will be going to war with Afghanistan or Iran in the future.

Rose Anna

Beach Comber

We have had troops in Afghanistan since before Iraq.  Iraq was the second front.

RoseAnna, that is true, but moving the troops from Iraq to Afghanistan is quite different than bringing the troops home.

SJ, I was more responding to Vote who seemed perplexed by the war in Afghanistan.  If I remember correctly Obama has long held the view that the troops were needed in Afghanistan.  The place where the hijackers were trained and Bin laden sought refuge.

scooterbug44

Obama doesn't want to move the war to Afganistan, he wants to get out of Iraq and focus on ACTUALLY GOING AFTER AL QUEDA AND BIN LADEN! :wave:

Obama doesn&#039;t want to move the war to Afganistan, he wants to get out of Iraq and focus on ACTUALLY GOING AFTER AL QUEDA AND BIN LADEN! :wave:

30ashopper

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[quote="scooterbug44, post: 492155"]Obama doesn't want to move the war to Afganistan, he wants to get out of Iraq and [B]focus on ACTUALLY GOING AFTER AL QUEDA AND BIN LADEN![/B] :wave:[/quote]
 
The idea that NATO hasn't been centered on that single goal over the last seven years is ridiculous. Afghanistan is a very different war from Iraq. We're seeing a resurgence because we can't get to the bad guys in Pakistan. Regardless of who takes over in January, that is going to be a very tricky situation, and I'm glad we have a guy like Patreus taking over to figure it out.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="scooterbug44">Obama doesn&#039;t want to move the war to Afganistan, he wants to get out of Iraq and focus on ACTUALLY GOING AFTER AL QUEDA AND BIN LADEN! :wave:</blockquote> 
The idea that NATO hasn&#039;t been centered on that single goal over the last seven years is ridiculous. Afghanistan is a very different war from Iraq. We&#039;re seeing a resurgence because we can&#039;t get to the bad guys in Pakistan. Regardless of who takes over in January, that is going to be a very tricky situation, and I&#039;m glad we have a guy like Patreus taking over to figure it out.

ShallowsNole

Beach Fanatic

Stating that the troops would be brought home on a definite timetable is what turned me away from Obama in the first place. I wish we didn't have to be over there at all, but to suddenly pull out - worse yet, let the enemy know when you are planning to surrender - would be disastrous.
 
I believe (can't disclose why I believe) that the pullout from Iraq is already well underway, but it has to be done slowly, and correctly.  But, yes, we still need to focus on Afghanistan.

Stating that the troops would be brought home on a definite timetable is what turned me away from Obama in the first place. I wish we didn&#039;t have to be over there at all, but to suddenly pull out - worse yet, let the enemy know when you are planning to surrender - would be disastrous. 
 
I believe (can&#039;t disclose why I believe) that the pullout from Iraq is already well underway, but it has to be done slowly, and correctly. But, yes, we still need to focus on Afghanistan.

Matt J

SWGB

[quote="ShallowsNole, post: 492294"]Stating that the troops would be brought home on a definite timetable is what turned me away from Obama in the first place. I wish we didn't have to be over there at all, but to suddenly pull out - worse yet, [B]let the enemy know when you are planning to surrender[/B] - would be disastrous.
 
I believe (can't disclose why I believe) that the pullout from Iraq is already well underway, but it has to be done slowly, and correctly. But, yes, we still need to focus on Afghanistan.[/quote]
 
Why is pulling out troops surrendering?  To be perfectly frank, if you tell the current Iraqi government that you are pulling out, the "enemy" will know anyway as they're government would probably leak the information to rile up the insurgents and keep us there.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="ShallowsNole">Stating that the troops would be brought home on a definite timetable is what turned me away from Obama in the first place. I wish we didn&#039;t have to be over there at all, but to suddenly pull out - worse yet, let the enemy know when you are planning to surrender - would be disastrous. 
 
I believe (can&#039;t disclose why I believe) that the pullout from Iraq is already well underway, but it has to be done slowly, and correctly. But, yes, we still need to focus on Afghanistan.</blockquote> 
Why is pulling out troops surrendering? To be perfectly frank, if you tell the current Iraqi government that you are pulling out, the &quot;enemy&quot; will know anyway as they&#039;re government would probably leak the information to rile up the insurgents and keep us there.

vote

If the war/wars are going to continue and/or more countries are going to be atacked by the USA, I do not think I want Obama to be our leader in that type of situation. In wartime I would pick McCain in peace Obama.

[quote="ShallowsNole, post: 492294"]
 
I believe (can't disclose why I believe) that the pullout from Iraq is already well underway, but it has to be done slowly, and correctly. [/quote]
 
Do you have a secret ? Maybe more than one ? Are you Karl Rove ?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="ShallowsNole">I believe (can&#039;t disclose why I believe) that the pullout from Iraq is already well underway, but it has to be done slowly, and correctly.</blockquote> 
Do you have a secret ? Maybe more than one ? Are you Karl Rove ?

[quote="vote, post: 492304"]If the war/wars are going to continue and/or more countries are going to be atacked by the USA, I do not think I want Obama to be our leader in that type of situation. In wartime I would pick McCain in peace Obama.[/quote]

:roll: ... and I want five million dollars.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="vote">If the war/wars are going to continue and/or more countries are going to be atacked by the USA, I do not think I want Obama to be our leader in that type of situation. In wartime I would pick McCain in peace Obama.</blockquote> 
:roll: ... and I want five million dollars.

[quote="vote, post: 492310"]Do you have a secret ? Maybe more than one ? Are you Karl Rove ?[/quote]
 
She's as much Karl Rove as you aren't part of some propaganda machine.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="vote">Do you have a secret ? Maybe more than one ? Are you Karl Rove ?</blockquote> 
She&#039;s as much Karl Rove as you aren&#039;t part of some propaganda machine.

No matter when we leave Iraq (now, 100 years, whenever) they are going to notice - whether we publicly announce it or not!

It's not like we blow a whistle and everyone immediately runs aboard the plane - the number of people and amount of equipment we have there takes a great deal of time to move - all under the eyes of locals and with local personnel. It doesn't take sophisticated intelligence monitoring secure communications, noting flight schedules, or troop levels - the empty mess hall and local staff w/o jobs ought to do it!

Finishing a mission, removing your troops from foreign soil, and allowing the domestic troops you have spent years and hundreds of billions training to do their jobs is not "surrender".

No matter when we leave Iraq (now, 100 years, whenever) they are going to notice - whether we publicly announce it or not! 
 
It&#039;s not like we blow a whistle and everyone immediately runs aboard the plane - the number of people and amount of equipment we have there takes a great deal of time to move - all under the eyes of locals and with local personnel. It doesn&#039;t take sophisticated intelligence monitoring secure communications, noting flight schedules, or troop levels - the empty mess hall and local staff w/o jobs ought to do it! 
 
Finishing a mission, removing your troops from foreign soil, and allowing the domestic troops you have spent years and hundreds of billions training to do their jobs is not &quot;surrender&quot;.

[quote="sowalgayboi, post: 492318"]She's as much Karl Rove as you aren't part of some propaganda machine.[/quote]
 
Please explain. I think you might be right on both counts. I am pretty sure she is not K.R. and I am not part of anything that I know of.
 
Why do Americans even Sowalites want to fight so much ?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="sowalgayboi">She&#039;s as much Karl Rove as you aren&#039;t part of some propaganda machine.</blockquote> 
Please explain. I think you might be right on both counts. I am pretty sure she is not K.R. and I am not part of anything that I know of. 
 
Why do Americans even Sowalites want to fight so much ?

Alicia Leonard

[quote="scooterbug44, post: 492320"]No matter when we leave Iraq (now, 100 years, whenever) they are going to notice - whether we publicly announce it or not!

[B]It's not like we blow a whistle and everyone immediately runs aboard the plane[/B] - the number of people and amount of equipment we have there takes a great deal of time to move - all under the eyes of locals and with local personnel. It doesn't take sophisticated intelligence monitoring secure communications, noting flight schedules, or troop levels - the empty mess hall and local staff w/o jobs ought to do it!

Finishing a mission, removing your troops from foreign soil, and allowing the domestic troops you have spent years and hundreds of billions training to do their jobs is not "surrender".[/quote]


Love the whistle image, Scootie pie;-):wave:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="scooterbug44">No matter when we leave Iraq (now, 100 years, whenever) they are going to notice - whether we publicly announce it or not! 
 
It&#039;s not like we blow a whistle and everyone immediately runs aboard the plane - the number of people and amount of equipment we have there takes a great deal of time to move - all under the eyes of locals and with local personnel. It doesn&#039;t take sophisticated intelligence monitoring secure communications, noting flight schedules, or troop levels - the empty mess hall and local staff w/o jobs ought to do it! 
 
Finishing a mission, removing your troops from foreign soil, and allowing the domestic troops you have spent years and hundreds of billions training to do their jobs is not &quot;surrender&quot;.</blockquote> 
 
Love the whistle image, Scootie pie;-):wave:

avalon

[quote="30ashopper, post: 492292"]The idea that NATO hasn't been centered on that single goal over the last seven years is ridiculous. Afghanistan is a very different war from Iraq. We're seeing a resurgence because we can't get to the bad guys in Pakistan. Regardless of who takes over in January, that is going to be a very tricky situation, and I'm glad we have a guy like Patreus taking over to figure it out.[/quote]
  Tricky is a great way to describe it.  I just don't believe that Bin Laden will be found by sending our army into Afghanistan or Pakistan. Futhermore, he is not worth the cost in blood or dollars. I feel like the extremists in the area are baiting us into another huge mess that will not end well. Did nobody read (or see) Charley Wilson's War? Those that hate America can get at us best by draining us morally and financially with an unwinnable conflict on their turf. I support Obama, but I hate to hear the more "hawkish" statements he has uttered as of late. Some problems need that scalpel, and not the military in force marching into quicksand. Civillian deaths of Afghans or Pakistanis just add fuel to the fire. Good intelligence work may get Bin Laden someday, in the mean time, lets not make matters worse!  Please Senator Obama, do not take the bait. And yes, many Americans just love to fight, but we must pick our battles wisely.l

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="30ashopper">The idea that NATO hasn&#039;t been centered on that single goal over the last seven years is ridiculous. Afghanistan is a very different war from Iraq. We&#039;re seeing a resurgence because we can&#039;t get to the bad guys in Pakistan. Regardless of who takes over in January, that is going to be a very tricky situation, and I&#039;m glad we have a guy like Patreus taking over to figure it out.</blockquote> Tricky is a great way to describe it. I just don&#039;t believe that Bin Laden will be found by sending our army into Afghanistan or Pakistan. Futhermore, he is not worth the cost in blood or dollars. I feel like the extremists in the area are baiting us into another huge mess that will not end well. Did nobody read (or see) Charley Wilson&#039;s War? Those that hate America can get at us best by draining us morally and financially with an unwinnable conflict on their turf. I support Obama, but I hate to hear the more &quot;hawkish&quot; statements he has uttered as of late. Some problems need that scalpel, and not the military in force marching into quicksand. Civillian deaths of Afghans or Pakistanis just add fuel to the fire. Good intelligence work may get Bin Laden someday, in the mean time, lets not make matters worse! Please Senator Obama, do not take the bait. And yes, many Americans just love to fight, but we must pick our battles wisely.l

Remember when Obama wanted to bring the troops home ? Now he wants to move them, is war that popular with voters ? Does he want to look tough ? Why ? What do y'all think?

Remember when Obama wanted to bring the troops home ? Now he wants to move them, is war that popular with voters ? Does he want to look tough ? Why ? What do y&#039;all think?

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