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Paul Krugman - The Third Depression

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Depressing (no pun intended) opinon piece in the NYT by economist Paul Krugman called "The Third Depression".

He basically postulates that world economic policy is about to tip us into another "Long Depression". We are too busy worrying about inflation when we should be more concerned about deflation.

Recessions are common; depressions are rare. As far as I can tell, there were only two eras in economic history that were widely described as ?depressions? at the time: the years of deflation and instability that followed the Panic of 1873 and the years of mass unemployment that followed the financial crisis of 1929-31.

Neither the Long Depression of the 19th century nor the Great Depression of the 20th was an era of nonstop decline ? on the contrary, both included periods when the economy grew. But these episodes of improvement were never enough to undo the damage from the initial slump, and were followed by relapses.

We are now, I fear, in the early stages of a third depression. It will probably look more like the Long Depression than the much more severe Great Depression. But the cost ? to the world economy and, above all, to the millions of lives blighted by the absence of jobs ? will nonetheless be immense.

And this third depression will be primarily a failure of policy. Around the world ? most recently at last weekend?s deeply discouraging G-20 meeting ? governments are obsessing about inflation when the real threat is deflation, preaching the need for belt-tightening when the real problem is inadequate spending.

In 2008 and 2009, it seemed as if we might have learned from history. Unlike their predecessors, who raised interest rates in the face of financial crisis, the current leaders of the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank slashed rates and moved to support credit markets. Unlike governments of the past, which tried to balance budgets in the face of a plunging economy, today?s governments allowed deficits to rise. And better policies helped the world avoid complete collapse: the recession brought on by the financial crisis arguably ended last summer.

In the face of this grim picture, you might have expected policy makers to realize that they haven?t yet done enough to promote recovery. But no: over the last few months there has been a stunning resurgence of hard-money and balanced-budget orthodoxy.

And who will pay the price for this triumph of orthodoxy? The answer is, tens of millions of unemployed workers, many of whom will go jobless for years, and some of whom will never work again.

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Bob avatar
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Paul needs a vacation

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Bob avatar
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30ashopper avatar
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I haven't read much indicating a wide spread concern about inflation, governments seem more concerned about debt.

Krugman's policy stance is open ended on the subject. Spending for him, is perfectly reasonable since you can always tax your way out of debt. That's not a view I subscribe to.
Lynnie avatar
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There was a young man in college majoring in finance and economics and his Father was enjoying retirement, selling hotdogs at a beach resort community. Young man said, "Dad, why are you selling hotdogs? People aren't going to buy from you; don't you know we are in a recession? And, inflation is right around the corner. Small business owners will have to close shop."

So, Dad closed his hotdog business on the beach, knowing that his Son had studied macro economics and was well-versed in finance. The beach community thrived.

If you believe it, it will happen. Sometimes, the news just isn't worth it for me anymore.
Mango avatar
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I haven't read much indicating a wide spread concern about inflation, governments seem more concerned about debt.

Krugman's policy stance is open ended on the subject. Spending for him, is perfectly reasonable since you can always tax your way out of debt. That's not a view I subscribe to.

The savings rate is higher than ever, we still have almost 10% unemployment and stagnant wages coming from the private sector. The only wage growth is coming from government jobs, mainly census.

How's that free market thingy working for ya? :wave:
futurebeachbum avatar
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#7
The employment numbers from the census are at best misleading (in reality fraudulent.) Census jobs (or government jobs in general) are not the answer. We need to stimulate the creation of lasting jobs in the private sector. The only place to do that is in small businesses. Large corporations have no interest in directly creating jobs. They are all about eliminating or off-shoring jobs.

While we absolutely need to get spending under control, I am concerned about just shutting the spending faucet off. We need to slowly turn it off over a longer period as we rebuild the economy.
Beach Fanatic
#8
The savings rate is higher than ever, we still have almost 10% unemployment and stagnant wages coming from the private sector. The only wage growth is coming from government jobs, mainly census.

How's that free market thingy working for ya? :wave:


What has got us in this mess is 10 years of out of control government spending. Government jobs should be a necessary evil not the basis of the economy. Government produces nothing and is a leach sucking resouces from the economy.
Increasing the savings rate is crucial to long term economic growth. Economic growth is crucial for long term job creation. Increased productivity is the key to wage growth.
Continued disregard for economic truth is a sure path to the fate of Greece. The European countries realize this which is why Obama received a cold shoulder during the recent economic summit.
Lynnie avatar
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#9
I think our unemployment numbers are under-reported as well......in actuality, I believe we are somewhere between 17 and 23%. On the other hand, the Great Socialist Countries of the World with typically lower GDP are reporting 20% unemployment and demanding their citizens take a 9% cut in pay.

Small businesses in the US account for close to 90% of jobs......maybe a little less, but I've heard some stats as high as 93%; and, I agree, FBB, large corporations are not our friends right now for boosting the economy. Their efforts are more geared to earnings and increase in their stock prices for shareholders.......a necessary evil.
30ashopper avatar
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The savings rate is higher than ever, we still have almost 10% unemployment and stagnant wages coming from the private sector. The only wage growth is coming from government jobs, mainly census.

How's that free market thingy working for ya? :wave:


Government's can't fix markets Mango, you know this. The free market is doing exactly what one would expect it to. The Obama adminstration is playing wack-a-mole with the economy which will just make things worse down the road. If we would all be willing to take our punishments for the excesses of the past, we'd get through this a whole lot faster.

The irony of all this is that this administration, which chastized the last one for all sort of things, is now making the exact same mistakes.

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Government's can't fix markets Mango, you know this. The free market is doing exactly what one would expect it to. The Obama adminstration is playing wack-a-mole with the economy which will just make things worse down the road. If we would all be willing to take our punishments for the excesses of the past, we'd get through this a whole lot faster.

The irony of all this is that this administration, which chastized the last one for all sort of things, is now making the exact same mistakes.

I sure wish we had more people like Chris Christie running things :wave:

HotAirPundit: Governor Chris Christie on CNBC Squawk Box: "We're Gonna Do The Right Thing For The State of New Jersey"

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