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Rita,  I'll read this tomorrow!  Today I wish you no thoughts of politics!!! :wub:

Rita,  I&#039;ll read this tomorrow!  Today I wish you no thoughts of politics!!! :wub:

Andy A

Beach Fanatic

[quote="Miss Kitty, post: 715693"]Rita, I'll read this tomorrow! Today I wish you no thoughts of politics!!! :wub:[/quote]
Great idea!!!  I'll go along.  The Merriest of Christmases and the Happiest of New Years to you, Miss Kitty and Mr. Kitty as well.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Miss Kitty">Rita, I&#039;ll read this tomorrow! Today I wish you no thoughts of politics!!! :wub:</blockquote>Great idea!!! I&#039;ll go along. The Merriest of Christmases and the Happiest of New Years to you, Miss Kitty and Mr. Kitty as well.

30ashopper

SoWal Insider

[quote="Rita, post: 715678"]
[B]PolitiFact's Lie of the Year:[/B] 'A government takeover of health care'
[URL="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/"]PolitiFact | PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'[/URL]
[/quote]
 
Reason had an interesting rebuttle to this if you're curious - 
 
[URL="http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/17/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-is"]Politifact?s Lie of the Year Is An Exaggeration With Elements of Truth - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine[/URL]

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Rita">PolitiFact&#039;s Lie of the Year: &#039;A government takeover of health care&#039; 
<a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">PolitiFact | PolitiFact&#039;s Lie of the Year: &#039;A government takeover of health care&#039;</a></blockquote> 
Reason had an interesting rebuttle to this if you&#039;re curious - 
 
<a href="http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/17/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-is" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Politifact?s Lie of the Year Is An Exaggeration With Elements of Truth - Hit &amp; Run : Reason Magazine</a>

Rita

margarita brocolia

[quote="30ashopper, post: 715712"]Reason had an interesting rebuttle to this if you're curious - 
 
[URL="http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/17/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-is"]Politifact?s Lie of the Year Is An Exaggeration With Elements of Truth - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine[/URL][/quote]

Politifact listed Reason as well as some others that had rebuttals regarding their selection of [B]top[/B] "lie of the year" along with sources that agreed with them. It's their site, their choice, for what it's worth. To me a lie is a lie pretty much.

Merry Christmas Shopper - I appreciate and learn from your posts!


[quote="Miss Kitty, post: 715693"]Rita,  I'll read this tomorrow!  Today I wish you no thoughts of politics!!! :wub:[/quote]

:wave:[COLOR="PaleTurquoise"]..[/COLOR]funny you should mention that ... I thought about it when I posted it [B]but[/B] just couldn't help myself.. :lol:

Merry Christmas to you and your family![COLOR="PaleTurquoise"]..[/COLOR]

You all enjoy Paw Paw to the fullest![COLOR="PaleTurquoise"]..[/COLOR]:wub:




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<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="30ashopper">Reason had an interesting rebuttle to this if you&#039;re curious - 
 
<a href="http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/17/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-is" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Politifact?s Lie of the Year Is An Exaggeration With Elements of Truth - Hit &amp; Run : Reason Magazine</a></blockquote> 
Politifact listed Reason as well as some others that had rebuttals regarding their selection of top &quot;lie of the year&quot; along with sources that agreed with them. It&#039;s their site, their choice, for what it&#039;s worth. To me a lie is a lie pretty much. 
 
Merry Christmas Shopper - I appreciate and learn from your posts! 
 
 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Miss Kitty">Rita, I&#039;ll read this tomorrow! Today I wish you no thoughts of politics!!! :wub:</blockquote> 
:wave:..funny you should mention that ... I thought about it when I posted it but just couldn&#039;t help myself.. :lol: 
 
Merry Christmas to you and your family!.. 
 
You all enjoy Paw Paw to the fullest!..:wub: 
 
 
 
 
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Jdarg

SoWal Expert

Thanks Rita and Merry Christmas!  I just scrolled through the list- and plan on emailing to the next person that forwards a dumb email to me, as the list covers pretty much most of the ignorant emails floating around, as well as quite a few of the Tea Party rants.:lol:

scooterbug44

I love the comments/assessments!

"Wrong, wrong, and wrong again."

"No facts were harmed in the writing of this email."

"Fake story, wrong court procedure, bogus outcome."

"Not even close."

"Laws of biology and immigration say a resounding no."

"Not according to our dictionary."

And my fave "we take this stuff seriously so you don't have to." :lol:

I love the comments/assessments! 
 
&quot;Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.&quot; 
 
&quot;No facts were harmed in the writing of this email.&quot; 
 
&quot;Fake story, wrong court procedure, bogus outcome.&quot; 
 
&quot;Not even close.&quot; 
 
&quot;Laws of biology and immigration say a resounding no.&quot; 
 
&quot;Not according to our dictionary.&quot; 
 
And my fave &quot;we take this stuff seriously so you don&#039;t have to.&quot; :lol:

Kurt

Admin

Don't believe everything you read, or hear, or see.

Don&#039;t believe everything you read, or hear, or see.

poppy

Banned

[quote="30ashopper, post: 715712"]Reason had an interesting rebuttle to this if you're curious - 
 
[URL="http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/17/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-is"]Politifact?s Lie of the Year Is An Exaggeration With Elements of Truth - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine[/URL][/quote]
 
 
This reads more like a rant against Politifact than a rebuttal.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="30ashopper">Reason had an interesting rebuttle to this if you&#039;re curious - 
 
<a href="http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/17/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-is" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Politifact?s Lie of the Year Is An Exaggeration With Elements of Truth - Hit &amp; Run : Reason Magazine</a></blockquote> 
 
This reads more like a rant against Politifact than a rebuttal.

[quote="Jenny Dargavell, post: 715790"]Thanks Rita and Merry Christmas!  I just scrolled through the list- and [B]plan on emailing to the next person that forwards a dumb email to me[/B], as the list covers pretty much most of the ignorant emails floating around, as well as quite a few of the Tea Party rants.:lol:[/quote]
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excellent idea! I always do fact checks for them and send back links (for what it's worth)[COLOR="PaleTurquoise"].[/COLOR]:roll:

This will make it easier because there are [B]a lot[/B] on this list. 

I noticed Florida's Rep Party had 2 "Pants on Fire" on here. On page 3 and 6:

[I]School children across the nation ?will be forced to watch the president justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other president."

?Fidel Castro endorses Obama.?[/I]


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<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jenny Dargavell">Thanks Rita and Merry Christmas! I just scrolled through the list- and plan on emailing to the next person that forwards a dumb email to me, as the list covers pretty much most of the ignorant emails floating around, as well as quite a few of the Tea Party rants.:lol:</blockquote>. 
excellent idea! I always do fact checks for them and send back links (for what it&#039;s worth).:roll: 
 
This will make it easier because there are a lot on this list. 
 
I noticed Florida&#039;s Rep Party had 2 &quot;Pants on Fire&quot; on here. On page 3 and 6: 
 
School children across the nation ?will be forced to watch the president justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other president.&quot; 
 
?Fidel Castro endorses Obama.? 
 
 
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[quote="Rita, post: 716056"][COLOR=PaleTurquoise].[/COLOR]
excellent idea! I always do fact checks for them and send back links (for what it's worth)[COLOR=PaleTurquoise].[/COLOR]:roll:

This will make it easier because there are [B]a lot[/B] on this list. 

I noticed Florida's Rep Party had 2 "Pants on Fire" on here. On page 3 and 6:

[I]School children across the nation ?will be forced to watch the president justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other president."

?Fidel Castro endorses Obama.?[/I]


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:lol:  So many examples of sad and funny at the same time.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Rita">. 
excellent idea! I always do fact checks for them and send back links (for what it&#039;s worth).:roll: 
 
This will make it easier because there are a lot on this list. 
 
I noticed Florida&#039;s Rep Party had 2 &quot;Pants on Fire&quot; on here. On page 3 and 6: 
 
School children across the nation ?will be forced to watch the president justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other president.&quot; 
 
?Fidel Castro endorses Obama.? 
 
 
<img src="http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss296/gulfwindsway79/Holidays/New-Year-Fireworks-Animation-01.gif" alt="" /> 
.</blockquote> 
 
:lol: So many examples of sad and funny at the same time.

DuneAHH

[quote="Jenny Dargavell, post: 716058"]:lol:  So many examples of sad and funny at the same time.[/quote]
   
Ab-so-root-rie... like finding collective selves in a space/time continuum.
WAIT!  that'd potentially be a really good thing, right??
An ultimate point of join and juntcure ?

DISCLAIMER CLAUSE: this IS NOT, nor in any way, directed AT Jenny or any dis-similarities we may or may not express (horneycorn ornee-ment views notwithstanding).

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jenny Dargavell">:lol: So many examples of sad and funny at the same time.</blockquote> 
Ab-so-root-rie... like finding collective selves in a space/time continuum. 
WAIT! that&#039;d potentially be a really good thing, right?? 
An ultimate point of join and juntcure ? 
 
DISCLAIMER CLAUSE: this IS NOT, nor in any way, directed AT Jenny or any dis-similarities we may or may not express (horneycorn ornee-ment views notwithstanding).

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The latest "pants-on-fire" list:
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/[/url]

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The latest &quot;pants-on-fire&quot; list: 
<a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/</a> 
 
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[quote="Rita, post: 739712"][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]
The latest "pants-on-fire" list:
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/[/url]

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[quote]But the bigger issue here is the claim that the bill bans incandescent light bulbs.

	Sec. 321 of the [URL="http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-110publ140/html/PLAW-110publ140.htm"][COLOR=#000066]Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007[/COLOR][/URL] spells out the new standards, essentially requiring that light bulbs be 25 percent more efficient than they are now. Specifically, a 100 watt light bulb is to be replaced with a bulb using no more than 72 watts of electricity while still providing comparable light output. The 75-watt, 60-watt and 40-watt bulbs must be replaced by bulbs using no more than 53, 43 and 29 watts respectively. The law phased in the new requirements: first the replacements for the 100-watt bulbs by Jan. 1, 2012; followed by the lower watt bulbs in ensuing years.

	The curlicue compact fluorescent bulbs and LED light bulbs easily meet the new efficiency standards. But we couldn't find any language in the law that specifically bans incandescent bulbs.
[/quote]

This is why I question politifact, they know full well that this legislation did outlaw the sale of conventional incandescent by raising energy standards far beyond the potential of these types of bulbs. That was the whole point of the legislation. But they consider the statement "democrats voted to ban incandescent light bulbs" a pant-on-fire lie? Sorry, I call b.s., this doesn't qualify for me. It should be a half-truth.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Rita">. 
The latest &quot;pants-on-fire&quot; list: 
<a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/</a> 
 
.</blockquote> 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">But the bigger issue here is the claim that the bill bans incandescent light bulbs. 
 
	Sec. 321 of the <a href="http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-110publ140/html/PLAW-110publ140.htm" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007</a> spells out the new standards, essentially requiring that light bulbs be 25 percent more efficient than they are now. Specifically, a 100 watt light bulb is to be replaced with a bulb using no more than 72 watts of electricity while still providing comparable light output. The 75-watt, 60-watt and 40-watt bulbs must be replaced by bulbs using no more than 53, 43 and 29 watts respectively. The law phased in the new requirements: first the replacements for the 100-watt bulbs by Jan. 1, 2012; followed by the lower watt bulbs in ensuing years. 
 
	The curlicue compact fluorescent bulbs and LED light bulbs easily meet the new efficiency standards. But we couldn&#039;t find any language in the law that specifically bans incandescent bulbs.</blockquote> 
This is why I question politifact, they know full well that this legislation did outlaw the sale of conventional incandescent by raising energy standards far beyond the potential of these types of bulbs. That was the whole point of the legislation. But they consider the statement &quot;democrats voted to ban incandescent light bulbs&quot; a pant-on-fire lie? Sorry, I call b.s., this doesn&#039;t qualify for me. It should be a half-truth.

LuciferSam

[quote="30ashopper, post: 739725"]This is why I question politifact, they know full well that this legislation did outlaw the sale of conventional incandescent by raising energy standards far beyond the potential of these types of bulbs. That was the whole point of the legislation. But they consider the statement "democrats voted to ban incandescent light bulbs" a pant-on-fire lie? Sorry, I call b.s., this doesn't qualify for me. It should be a half-truth.[/QUOTE]
Make this comment to Politifact. I have seen several replies from them to people who have substantiated disagreements with their findings, and sometimes they have changed it to reflect some "reconsideration."
I admire them for doing that. And many times they stick to their guns, so to speak. All in all they provide a very good service and appear to be open to rebuttals and rechecks.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="30ashopper">This is why I question politifact, they know full well that this legislation did outlaw the sale of conventional incandescent by raising energy standards far beyond the potential of these types of bulbs. That was the whole point of the legislation. But they consider the statement &quot;democrats voted to ban incandescent light bulbs&quot; a pant-on-fire lie? Sorry, I call b.s., this doesn&#039;t qualify for me. It should be a half-truth.</blockquote>Make this comment to Politifact. I have seen several replies from them to people who have substantiated disagreements with their findings, and sometimes they have changed it to reflect some &quot;reconsideration.&quot; 
I admire them for doing that. And many times they stick to their guns, so to speak. All in all they provide a very good service and appear to be open to rebuttals and rechecks.

Not bad, out of 150+ truth-o-meter comments you disagree with a light bulb issue. :lol:>

Not bad, out of 150+ truth-o-meter comments you disagree with a light bulb issue. :lol:&gt;

Zebraspots

They didn't ban incandescent light bulbs, they are phasing out standard incandescent light bulbs that don't meet the efficency standards.

Many incandescent bulbs are exempt and any incandescent that meets the standard is allowed.

They didn&#039;t ban incandescent light bulbs, they are phasing out standard incandescent light bulbs that don&#039;t meet the efficency standards. 
 
Many incandescent bulbs are exempt and any incandescent that meets the standard is allowed.

[quote="Zebraspots, post: 739760"]They didn't ban incandescent light bulbs, they are phasing out standard incandescent light bulbs that don't meet the efficency standards.
 
Many incandescent bulbs are exempt and any incandescent that meets the standard is allowed.[/QUOTE]
 
No standard incandescent bulb within the wattage range targeted by the legislation will be allowed after the law fully takes effect. The sales of exempted specialty lamps (like three-ways) will be monitored and if sales reach a certain target, they too will be subject to the regulation. This law effectively bans the sale of standard incandescent bulbs with very few exceptions - after 2014, you will not be able to walk into a grocery story and pick up a 40, 60, 75, or 100 watt incandescent bulb. The sale or importation of these types of bulbs will be a federal crime. That's a ban, no matter how much spin you want to put on it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Zebraspots">They didn&#039;t ban incandescent light bulbs, they are phasing out standard incandescent light bulbs that don&#039;t meet the efficency standards. 
 
Many incandescent bulbs are exempt and any incandescent that meets the standard is allowed.</blockquote> 
No standard incandescent bulb within the wattage range targeted by the legislation will be allowed after the law fully takes effect. The sales of exempted specialty lamps (like three-ways) will be monitored and if sales reach a certain target, they too will be subject to the regulation. This law effectively bans the sale of standard incandescent bulbs with very few exceptions - after 2014, you will not be able to walk into a grocery story and pick up a 40, 60, 75, or 100 watt incandescent bulb. The sale or importation of these types of bulbs will be a federal crime. That&#039;s a ban, no matter how much spin you want to put on it.

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[B]PolitiFact's Lie of the Year:[/B]  'A government takeover of health care'
[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/]PolitiFact | PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'[/url]

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AND  7 pages of [B]PolitiFact?s latest 'Pants on Fire' ratings[/B].
[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/]PolitiFact | Statements we say are Pants on Fire![/url]

It's interesting also to see how often some names pop up for false and "Pants on Fire" ratings. 




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PolitiFact&#039;s Lie of the Year: &#039;A government takeover of health care&#039; 
<a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">PolitiFact | PolitiFact&#039;s Lie of the Year: &#039;A government takeover of health care&#039;</a> 
 
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AND 7 pages of PolitiFact?s latest &#039;Pants on Fire&#039; ratings. 
<a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">PolitiFact | Statements we say are Pants on Fire!</a> 
 
It&#039;s interesting also to see how often some names pop up for false and &quot;Pants on Fire&quot; ratings. 
 
 
 
 
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