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jodiFL

AWESOME Kurt! The map once and for all clears up exactly where the public accesses are. And it seems that there are NONE at the Rosemary or Seaside streets.

Smiling JOe

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The map is very helpful, but as an FYI, the map does not include all of the Public Accesses, just the TDC maintained accesses.

John R

needs to get out more

Amazing that they show an access at the end on 283 and one at the east end of Mitchell.  Both have seawalls only and no [I]access[/I] short of jumping into the bay.  The cat's out of the bag now regarding the one at the end of Mitchell:roll:   Also, how could they leave out the access at the end of 395, one of the most widely used?  Or the one in Magnolia Beach?

Amazing that they show an access at the end on 283 and one at the east end of Mitchell. Both have seawalls only and no access short of jumping into the bay. The cat&#039;s out of the bag now regarding the one at the end of Mitchell:roll: Also, how could they leave out the access at the end of 395, one of the most widely used? Or the one in Magnolia Beach?

Yes the inclusion of those two pretty much shoot down the "TDC maintained" theory.;-):biggrin: Also the one at the End of Bay Cr. wasnt shot down by storms,but rather the homeowners on both sides of the street there. They didnt want a dock/pier built there because it would encourage people to actually come all the way to the and of Bay Drive and possibly fish or something equally disturbing to them.

Yes the inclusion of those two pretty much shoot down the &quot;TDC maintained&quot; theory.;-)😀 Also the one at the End of Bay Cr. wasnt shot down by storms,but rather the homeowners on both sides of the street there. They didnt want a dock/pier built there because it would encourage people to actually come all the way to the and of Bay Drive and possibly fish or something equally disturbing to them.

Jdarg

[quote="Smiling JOe, post: 0"]
John R, you will note that those two sites mentioned are not current accesses, but ones in the works. The TDC wants to build those accesses. I understood that both would already be in the works if we didn't have any storms in 2006 which would wash away the beach walkovers. I guess they decided to spend the money on the big blue signs, instead. 

By the way, the ramp at the end of Mitchell, which was east of Punzy's former place, is a private parcel, and now filled in with sand and a bulkhead. The actual deeded access is to the west of your former place, across the street from Pat.[/quote]


I am trying to picture where this could be- I thought it was all houses/fences on the bay there?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">John R, you will note that those two sites mentioned are not current accesses, but ones in the works. The TDC wants to build those accesses. I understood that both would already be in the works if we didn&#039;t have any storms in 2006 which would wash away the beach walkovers. I guess they decided to spend the money on the big blue signs, instead. 
 
By the way, the ramp at the end of Mitchell, which was east of Punzy&#039;s former place, is a private parcel, and now filled in with sand and a bulkhead. The actual deeded access is to the west of your former place, across the street from Pat.</blockquote> 
 
I am trying to picture where this could be- I thought it was all houses/fences on the bay there?

[QUOTE]I am trying to picture where this could be- I thought it was all houses/fences on the bay there?[/QUOTE]
No, there is an over grown 10' wide spot that is the access. it was semi-cleared by some nice neighbors but has since grown back for lack of use. It is in no way marked and unless you live around here you would think its just part of someones yard.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">I am trying to picture where this could be- I thought it was all houses/fences on the bay there?</blockquote>No, there is an over grown 10&#039; wide spot that is the access. it was semi-cleared by some nice neighbors but has since grown back for lack of use. It is in no way marked and unless you live around here you would think its just part of someones yard.

[quote="jodiFL, post: 365346"][B]Yes the inclusion of those two pretty much shoot down the "TDC maintained" theory.[/B];-):biggrin: ...[/quote]

No, it doesn't. Read the map legend. Those two are listed as "undeveloped" accesses.

I just looked at the GIS, and it shows the access property being about 55' in width, and it is shown as being directly across from Pat's house (corner of Dawson and Mitchell). However, I seem to recall Pat saying there was some arguments about the actual location.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="jodiFL">Yes the inclusion of those two pretty much shoot down the &quot;TDC maintained&quot; theory.;-)😀 ...</blockquote> 
No, it doesn&#039;t. Read the map legend. Those two are listed as &quot;undeveloped&quot; accesses. 
 
I just looked at the GIS, and it shows the access property being about 55&#039; in width, and it is shown as being directly across from Pat&#039;s house (corner of Dawson and Mitchell). However, I seem to recall Pat saying there was some arguments about the actual location.

[quote="jodiFL, post: 365355"]No, there is an over grown 10' wide spot that is the access. it was semi-cleared by some nice neighbors but has since grown back for lack of use. It is in no way marked and unless you live around here you would think its just part of someones yard.[/quote]

I think I will walk over and investigate!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="jodiFL">No, there is an over grown 10&#039; wide spot that is the access. it was semi-cleared by some nice neighbors but has since grown back for lack of use. It is in no way marked and unless you live around here you would think its just part of someones yard.</blockquote> 
I think I will walk over and investigate!

[quote="Smiling JOe, post: 365356"]No, it doesn't. Read the map legend. Those two are listed as "undeveloped" accesses.[/quote]
Those accesses have always been there and they have [U]never[/U] maintained them. I have lived in this neighbor hood for 20+ years and there has been alot of hot air blown about them becoming "developed" but there always seems to be one reason after another as to why they are not. First it was priority to get the beach ones done to protect the dunes, then possible litigation, then they had to research if they had abandoned them or not, then the storms. You can only procrastinate so long before you just have to fess up that you are never going to do it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">No, it doesn&#039;t. Read the map legend. Those two are listed as &quot;undeveloped&quot; accesses.</blockquote>Those accesses have always been there and they have never maintained them. I have lived in this neighbor hood for 20+ years and there has been alot of hot air blown about them becoming &quot;developed&quot; but there always seems to be one reason after another as to why they are not. First it was priority to get the beach ones done to protect the dunes, then possible litigation, then they had to research if they had abandoned them or not, then the storms. You can only procrastinate so long before you just have to fess up that you are never going to do it.

tsutcli

It looks like the new public access between Watercolor and Seaside is about ready to open with  amenities and parking for 100 cars. I work for St. Joe and as far as I know no one is being told to leave the beach in front of Watercolor.  In fact people park at the Inn parking lot and use the access next to Fish Out Of Water - a private access and no attempt is currently being made to screen the users.  If this does change it will be because enough people abuse the situation. You have to take care of the paying guest first.

[quote="jdarg, post: 365358"]I think I will walk over and investigate![/quote]
I tried to upload a pdf of the map, but my internet is too slow to upload it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="jdarg">I think I will walk over and investigate!</blockquote>I tried to upload a pdf of the map, but my internet is too slow to upload it.

ktmeadows

Wonder why #12 Sugar Cliffs is still on the list.:idontno:  That's the access across from Cassine Village that owners of the beachfront home next to the access sued for and won.  Used to be a great public access but it's now private:cry:

Wonder why #12 Sugar Cliffs is still on the list.:idontno:  That&#039;s the access across from Cassine Village that owners of the beachfront home next to the access sued for and won.  Used to be a great public access but it&#039;s now private:cry:

[QUOTE]I just looked at the GIS, and it shows the access property being about 55' in width, and it is shown as being directly across from Pat's house (corner of Dawson and Mitchell). However, I seem to recall Pat saying there was some arguments about the actual location.[/QUOTE]
The former owners of that area (the Miners) had fenced it in and until the property was being sold it was never considered an access. However when they started to sell the property some neighbors questioned whether or not the county had abandoned it. We were told they had not so those owners made an adjustment to the far west side of the property in order for the sale to go through. The access was basically in between their lots and they gave up a portion on the west side so the lot could still be sold as one lot. The GIS you are looking at is evidently from before that time. If you have any questions Pat or Frank can clear up exactly where it is since they are the ones that made sure the neighborhood access was inadvertently "given away" during that time and cleared it way back then. But I am sure that it isnt anywhere CLOSE 55' wide.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">I just looked at the GIS, and it shows the access property being about 55&#039; in width, and it is shown as being directly across from Pat&#039;s house (corner of Dawson and Mitchell). However, I seem to recall Pat saying there was some arguments about the actual location.</blockquote>The former owners of that area (the Miners) had fenced it in and until the property was being sold it was never considered an access. However when they started to sell the property some neighbors questioned whether or not the county had abandoned it. We were told they had not so those owners made an adjustment to the far west side of the property in order for the sale to go through. The access was basically in between their lots and they gave up a portion on the west side so the lot could still be sold as one lot. The GIS you are looking at is evidently from before that time. If you have any questions Pat or Frank can clear up exactly where it is since they are the ones that made sure the neighborhood access was inadvertently &quot;given away&quot; during that time and cleared it way back then. But I am sure that it isnt anywhere CLOSE 55&#039; wide.

I believe that parcel is about 25-30' wide and is barely able to be walked.  Frank clears a bit of it out almost every spring/summer for fishing access.  I was led to believe that it was indeed traded to the county to facilitate the sale of the parcel as one piece, since dawson ran straight to the bay right through it.  and it has boundary issues to the south also, but that is for another thread.

I believe that parcel is about 25-30&#039; wide and is barely able to be walked.  Frank clears a bit of it out almost every spring/summer for fishing access.  I was led to believe that it was indeed traded to the county to facilitate the sale of the parcel as one piece, since dawson ran straight to the bay right through it.  and it has boundary issues to the south also, but that is for another thread.

Kurt

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[quote="Smiling JOe, post: 365153"]The map is very helpful, but as an FYI, the map does not include all of the Public Accesses, just the TDC maintained accesses.[/quote]
 
Thanks - that is a very good point!
 
[quote="tsutcli, post: 365365"]It looks like the new public access between Watercolor and Seaside is about ready to open with amenities and parking for 100 cars.[/quote]
 
Thanks for the reminder. Here are some pics from 1/25/08. [URL]http://www.sowal.com/photos-012508.html[/URL] 
 
The Butler access looks ready to go now.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">The map is very helpful, but as an FYI, the map does not include all of the Public Accesses, just the TDC maintained accesses.</blockquote> 
Thanks - that is a very good point! 
 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="tsutcli">It looks like the new public access between Watercolor and Seaside is about ready to open with amenities and parking for 100 cars.</blockquote> 
Thanks for the reminder. Here are some pics from 1/25/08. <a href="http://www.sowal.com/photos-012508.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">http://www.sowal.com/photos-012508.html</a> 
 
The Butler access looks ready to go now.

[URL="http://www.protectwaltoncountybeaches.com/accesses.asp"]Click[/URL] for list of 68 accesses with GPS coordinates.
 
[URL="http://www.protectwaltoncountybeaches.com/BSWAccessMap062007.pdf"]Click[/URL] for color PDF map.

<a href="http://www.protectwaltoncountybeaches.com/accesses.asp" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Click</a> for list of 68 accesses with GPS coordinates. 
 
<a href="http://www.protectwaltoncountybeaches.com/BSWAccessMap062007.pdf" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Click</a> for color PDF map.

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