Redfish Village Beach Access

I am new to this system so I am not sure if that is a compliment? But I do know how to read people and I know that BMBW must be a sad and lonely person who likes to control everything telling people how they should think, what they should do about things, what is important and never allowing anybody else to have an opinion. Well I have one and I will let him know it.

Ginger...welcome and I look forward to seeing you on the beach!

I am new to this system so I am not sure if that is a compliment? But I do know how to read people and I know that BMBW must be a sad and lonely person who likes to control everything telling people how they should think, what they should do about things, what is important and never allowing anybody else to have an opinion. Well I have one and I will let him know it.

You must be new to the system.........you just described me


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Ginger, glad to have you here. Looking forward to more exciting posts from you.

You must be new to the system.........you just described me


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Shelly...since we've both been described as sad and lonely, maybe we should have a consoling drink at a convenient watering hole and lament our sad and lonely plight.

Happy New Year!

Shelly...since we've both been described as sad and lonely, maybe we should have a consoling drink at a convenient watering hole and lament our sad and lonely plight.

Happy New Year!

CHEERS!



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I am new to this system so I am not sure if that is a compliment? But I do know how to read people and I know that BMBW must be a sad and lonely person who likes to control everything telling people how they should think, what they should do about things, what is important and never allowing anybody else to have an opinion. Well I have one and I will let him know it.

Ginger. How long have you been with the company?

BMBW maybe lonely but at least his car does not smoke when he drives down the road.

Yes concern may be a good choice, but considering the amount and fervor of your posts, fear seems more accurate. Fear of the multitude of potential issues in the future.

Yes, brad has authored a lovely thread on hypothetical parking problems and solutions. I am aware of it as I have posted in it. What I am also aware of is that I authored this thread and therefor am entitled to to steer it in any direction I see fit. You, having recently joined this community and and it seems, the internets, have no say as to where it is to go, and less say advising me on same. You have attempted before to tell me how to carry myself on this board. Please refrain from doing so. Many here have induldged you, others have not been so kind. Please go back and reread some responses to your posts, you'll be doing us all a favor.

Parking has been mentioned before with regards to RFV and their potential future as your next door neighbor. It is the tip of the iceberg, and not limited to your 75' section of the beach. Maybe you missed where I understand the implications of what this could mean to the rest of the county. That must be the case, because if I've read your posts accurately, you could care less about what could even happen across CR83. Do I detect an air of alienation happeneing up there on Blue Mountain Road? I'd hate to see you fighting this solo from chasing away people who could help champion your cause. I could have been one of them, but you clearly think I endorse this project.

If you are referring to the book thread>>this thread, wouldn't it have sucked if this conversation was continuing in the book thread?

Btw, of course I know who she is, as I know know the name of everyone of my avitars. Please stick to the topic at hand or start your own thread. It's not appropriate...

BMBV welcome back, I missed you. Hope you all had a safe and happy
holiday.

John R...if those are the rules of the thread, so be it; I'm use to a subject line meaning that you stay on that subject...live and learn!

A suggestion for you to consider; in the future when you create a thread, why don't you just name it John R Miscellaneous 1, John R Miscellaneous 2, etc. That way everyone will know what to expect from your personal, steer it anyway I want too, thread.

Thanks for reminding me about posting to Brad's thread. I couldn't find it for a while and I thought I remembered your suggesting the county get property by eminent domain for that thread's purpose.

What really sucks here is how mean and ugly you're being about the pretty lady's name!!!

BMBW, You haven't mentioned anything about no longer using illegal parking as one of your opposing factors to this access. I cannot believe that your tongue is tied. I guess that the lack of parking at public accesses is indeed a real problem. You do realize that there are more than 140 lots in the subdivision north, and adjacent to Redfish Village, don't you? I understand the importance of this private access being not being compatable with the other properties, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that the owners and guests of Lakeside at Blue Mtn will not be parking their butts on this same stretch of privately owned beach, such as yours, and parking their suburbans on the street in your neighborhood.

I just started reading this and it is disgusting. All of you talking about your beach. BMBW, you are the worst you have no more rights to the beach than I do. Who do you think you are? I live north of 98 and I come down 83 to the beach and I have as much right to be there as you do. And I will keep coming down 83 and this summer I think I will rent a bus and get 100 of my friends and come right to 83 and find You and Kevin and sit right next to you. I can bring 500 people down there and you can't say a word to me. In fact I think my husband and I will start a shuttle service to go to the beach for all of us 2nd class people and come straight down to 83 with as many people as we can. I would lose money on the bus serviceso you can't worry about me making money and call me a developer. Guess what, it's my beach. And it seems to me that if these people have a shuttle it keeps cars off your yards. What's wrong with you people?

Ginger...I'll try my best to answer some of your vitrolic comments.

I believe I do have more rights than you to the "beach" because I own a portion of the "beach" and have private property rights, and it appears from your post that you don't own any beachfront property; therefore, if I'm correct that you don't own beachfront property, I do have more rights than you.

I don't think you will be sitting next to Kevin and I because we don't sit at the public access beach. At least I don't...I'll let Kevin speak for himself. I certainly don't interfere with anybody using the federal, state and county defined public beachs; anyone can use the CR-83 access. There's no question about that! You don't seem to understand that there are sections of the beach that are privately owned.

Go ahead and start your shuttle!! I bet you would make money!! This area could use someone with the time, energy and money you must have to provide this service. Give it a shot! Come on down, all 500 of you!!!!

Guess what, it's not your beach!! Look into the legalities of that statement and I think your lawyer will disagree with you unless you own a piece of property that is private and deeded to the high mean water mark.

RFV shuttle is questionable, even by the developers. First it was to be a trolley, then a SUV and now a van; I'm sure the 100 to 300 owners, guests, renters and invitees during the season will sit around and wait for the official RFV vehicle to make it's run; you know what will happen. What's wrong with your thinking?

BTW, you statements are very close to the ones pubically made by Brad Zeitlin of the Orchard Group. I'm sure your verbiage and his is just coincidental.

BMBW, You haven't mentioned anything about no longer using illegal parking as one of your opposing factors to this access. I cannot believe that your tongue is tied. I guess that the lack of parking at public accesses is indeed a real problem. You do realize that there are more than 140 lots in the subdivision north, and adjacent to Redfish Village, don't you? I understand the importance of this private access being not being compatable with the other properties, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that the owners and guests of Lakeside at Blue Mtn will not be parking their butts on this same stretch of privately owned beach, such as yours, and parking their suburbans on the street in your neighborhood.

SJ...and your point is?

You just can't stay away from the parking issue, can you?...go to Brad's thread and get you exposure. This one is for Redfish Village Access, as if you didn't know!

I am new to this system so I am not sure if that is a compliment? But I do know how to read people and I know that BMBW must be a sad and lonely person who likes to control everything telling people how they should think, what they should do about things, what is important and never allowing anybody else to have an opinion. Well I have one and I will let him know it.

Ginger...be nice; you've exposed more of yourself than you'll ever know.

Excuse me, I've got to go turn down Bobby Vinton's "Mr. Lonely" CD...just getting ready for the night.

Ginger...be nice; you've exposed more of yourself than you'll ever know.

Excuse me, I've got to go turn down Bobby Vinton's "Mr. Lonely" CD...just getting ready for the night.

Come on BMBW do not run off the new posters. KT-Never came back and now you might have run off Ginger. I want to hear them explain the good of this thing. I want to hear more than 3 posts from these two.

I guess working in the trailer park (RFV Buster) is hard these days. Not much time for posting.

I say make all the beaches public, but only if you or at least one of your parents is Florida born.

You must also walk at least one-half mile over the sand (this will separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak) and take out all the trash you brought with you as well as any you find washed up on the beach.

Anyone with less than a congenial demeanor will be banned.

SJ...and your point is?

My point is that, on this board, you say that parking is not an issue, yet opponents of this private access state parking is one of a handfull of issues regarding this private access. You told me that this thread is regarding the private access. You do the math. ;-)

John R...if those are the rules of the thread, so be it; I'm use to a subject line meaning that you stay on that subject...live and learn!

It seems like you haven't learned much during your short time here.

A suggestion for you to consider; in the future when you create a thread, why don't you just name it John R Miscellaneous 1, John R Miscellaneous 2, etc. That way everyone will know what to expect from your personal, steer it anyway I want too, thread.

Ouch, that really stung.

Thanks for reminding me about posting to Brad's thread. I couldn't find it for a while and I thought I remembered your suggesting the county get property by eminent domain for that thread's purpose.

It could be one way to get property, when someone who's property is on the verge of collapse, and they can't afford to repair it to legal code. Would you be satisfied with a potentially dangerous derelict property literally hanging out? Do you have a different idea? Please respond in the appropriate thread.

What really sucks here is how mean and ugly you're being about the pretty lady's name!!!

Because I won't tell you a bit of information you desire I'm mean and ugly? It must be a really slow day up in BMB. Or, are you just feeling a bit lonely these days? my response to advising you to stay on track was modeled on yours to me. kettle, is that you?

of course parking problems related to RFV's impact on your neighborhood were completely ignored.

It seems like you haven't learned much during your short time here.



Ouch, that really stung.




It could be one way to get property, when someone who's property is on the verge of collapse, and they can't afford to repair it to legal code. Would you be satisfied with a potentially dangerous derelict property literally hanging out? Do you have a different idea? Please respond in the appropriate thread.



Because I won't tell you a bit of information you desire I'm mean and ugly? It must be a really slow day up in BMB. Or, are you just feeling a bit lonely these days? my response to advising you to stay on track was modeled on yours to me. kettle, is that you?

of course parking problems related to RFV's impact on your neighborhood were completely ignored.

SJ-You are wrong. It is not just about parking it is about developers coming down and taking over doing what they want to without the communities input.

Again would you want this next to your property? I think not. JR-Tell your friends at Lying Trailer Park they need to step it up and come clean with the facts..

Looks like we have a lot of reader checking this thread out since I have joined SoWal. Not saying it is because of me maybe it is because some facts are finally coming out on this group and everyone is looking for facts.

We want the facts not a lot of pro bono folks on the site trying to confuse the situation.

JR-You are wrong. It is not just about parking it is about developers coming down and taking over doing what they want to without the communities input.

Again would you want this next to your property? I think not. JR-Tell your friends at Lying Trailer Park they need to step it up and come clean with the facts..

Looks like we have a lot of reader checking this thread out since I have joined SoWal. Not saying it is because of me maybe it is because some facts are finally coming out on this group and everyone is looking for facts.

We want the facts not a lot of pro bono folks on the site trying to confuse the situation.

FYI - I am the one who keeps referring to the lack of parking.

FYI - I am the one who keeps referring to the lack of parking.

WOW SJ-You are on it. I am about the facts so it is nice that you stepped up.. I repaired the typo wonder if LyingFish Trailer Park is going to fix the typo that they hand out? Maybe you can invite them to the hood of your car.

I understand they did at one point and had to do some shredding.

Posting the facts as always.

Looks like we have a lot of reader checking this thread out since I have joined SoWal. Not saying it is because of me maybe it is because some facts are finally coming out on this group and everyone is looking for facts.

No, that's just me and my OCD counting problem. I just cannot believe that you only have 38 posts, it seems more like 3800. Kurt, please check the counter....

No, that's just me and my OCD counting problem. I just cannot believe that you only have 38 posts, it seems more like 3800. Kurt, please check the counter....

Kurt, do not bother with the counter. ChrisV you are correct 38 posts. Yea it would seem like 3800 to you because it hurts you insiders at LyingFish Trailer Park to read them. Glad to know I am making a difference.

Let me explain my post to you. Seem like a lot of people are very interested. It may have something to do with the facts that are being posted.. Maybe it is contract holders reading the facts maybe it is the folks within 300 feet who are not being notified of the meetings. Not sure but it is helping me with my endeavors.

SJ-Have you been updated by insiders as to how they got the January 11th meeting moved up? I know the agenda comes out tomorrow and can not wait to see what all they have to discuss. I am so glad they got it moved up. I can not wait to see how local servers dance around this one. Surprises me though seems like LyingFish would want more time. Oh forgot they do not have much time. Like GEs response to the TRC on this one. That letter had some great facts in it about Lot 2. What do you think SJ? Did you like it? I know a letter from a lawyer does not mean much but it does state the facts about the property.

SJ-Have you been updated by insiders as to how they got the January 11th meeting moved up? I know the agenda comes out tomorrow and can not wait to see what all they have to discuss. I am so glad they got it moved up. I can not wait to see how local servers dance around this one. Surprises me though seems like LyingFish would want more time. Oh forgot they do not have much time. Like GEs response to the TRC on this one. That letter had some great facts in it about Lot 2. What do you think SJ? Did you like it? I know a letter from a lawyer does not mean much but it does state the facts about the property.

Perhaps if you didn't abbreviate everything without prior notes of abbreviations, I could comment on it, but I have no clue as to what you are talking about.

I don't keep track of insiders on this project, so again, I don't know.

In general, you seem to lump all non-Gulf front owners in with Redfish Village. I have no idea why this is so, but you did it once again.

I am still trying to determine what pertanent facts you have brought to this discussion and which lies. Please don't see my questioning of your "questionable pertanent facts" as defending Redfish Village. Anyone who has read my posts knows that I am not for this, nor the other three developments in BMB.

Edroedrog, I agree with SJ. You are being very dense. I guess you think it's cute to try to talk in riddles but it's just nonsense to us. Just speak in plain english about what you know to be fact instead of claiming to post facts. We really have no idea what you're trying to say other than smearing the developer and the project and claiming to know all the details. Why not just say what you mean plainly? I don't even have a clue whether you're for or against it except when you call people liars.

And stop lableing everyone as for or against the project. Some people may not have their minds made up. This discussion is degenerating into a pissing contest which is a shame because everybody seems like they should be working together.

Perhaps if you didn't abbreviate everything without prior notes of abbreviations, I could comment on it, but I have no clue as to what you are talking about.

I don't keep track of insiders on this project, so again, I don't know.

In general, you seem to lump all non-Gulf front owners in with Redfish Village. I have no idea why this is so, but you did it once again.

I am still trying to determine what pertanent facts you have brought to this discussion and which lies. Please don't see my questioning of your "questionable pertanent facts" as defending Redfish Village. Anyone who has read my posts knows that I am not for this, nor the other three developments in BMB.

SJ sometimes I think you are for the project or have other interest. I just want to know what legal foot LyingFish has to stand on? I know from your earlier post you are not a lawyer but I do have to ask the question. KT still has not proved me wrong yet nor did he get me the letter he said was sent back to Lois La Seur. I hope you correct me if I am wrong on my post too. I do not have a problem with that at all. I am sorry if LyingFish Trailer Park and Hard2Sell offends you but it is true. Tell me that they have not lied to the community tell me that they have not lied to their investors tell me that they have not. Please do because they have and they continue to even after being told by Lois La Seur in a letter dated May 5 2006 to Mr. Zietlin (Planning Manager Walton County) and cc Hard2Sell as well. They have had meeting where they did not inform the community and they have also bought another Lot to try in slide one in on the community. How many times do they need to be told that we do not want this in our community? I know that people have been sending their concerns to Cindy Meadows (District 5 Commissioner) to let her know that they have not been properly notified.(i.e. certified mail) because they do live within 300 feet of the proposed Lot 2 development. Am I wrong yet?

I have been posting the facts. If you read some of my earlier post you will realize the TRC is the Technical Review committee and that GE is who sent the letter to TRC for Lot 2.

I do not know what I would have to gain by lying to you about this project.

Edroedrog, I agree with SJ. You are being very dense. I guess you think it's cute to try to talk in riddles but it's just nonsense to us. Just speak in plain english about what you know to be fact instead of claiming to post facts. We really have no idea what you're trying to say other than smearing the developer and the project and claiming to know all the details. Why not just say what you mean plainly? I don't even have a clue whether you're for or against it except when you call people liars.

And stop lableing everyone as for or against the project. Some people may not have their minds made up. This discussion is degenerating into a pissing contest which is a shame because everybody seems like they should be working together.

Buster do not be so obtuse. I am obviously against PrivateBA. If you would take a moment and read my post you can plainly see that I do not want this to happen. As for the smearing the development I have only called them LyingFish Trailer Park and from what I have read and seen that is the truth.

As for working together I have received several emails from folks on SoWal that have appreciated the input. So who are to tell me what to and not to post? Come on I am still waiting on someone to prove me wrong. I want the facts.

Edroedrog I was not scared off by BMBW I was in the Cayman Islands and did not bother checking this. You know I have told you that I like the people at H2O and have friends there. Even though you are on the internet you should be careful with what you say about calling people liars without proof and yes I do like people there and I do want the access at lot 2 I don't hide from that. You said it yourself one letter is not proof. I have spoken with H2O and there was no issue with the notice of people within 300 feet. You are wrong. And you keep saying that they didn't tell the community about their meeting just because GE's letter said so. You also know I want the access on the west not the east side of 30A because we are single family homes and the west side is mostly condos and townhomes and I would rather have them driven there rather than walking past my home. Why is that bad? Even if some people come down my road, less people will. I have said it before that you are a disgruntled ex-employee, a Redfish buyer who wants out or something you have not said. I say you are wrong and you say I am wrong. Your methods are very transparent though you have a serious axe to grind tell us what it is?