Redfish Village Beach Access

SJ sometimes I think you are for the project or have other interest. I just want to know what legal foot LyingFish has to stand on? I know from your earlier post you are not a lawyer but I do have to ask the question. KT still has not proved me wrong yet nor did he get me the letter he said was sent back to Lois La Seur. I hope you correct me if I am wrong on my post too. I do not have a problem with that at all. I am sorry if LyingFish Trailer Park and Hard2Sell offends you but it is true. Tell me that they have not lied to the community tell me that they have not lied to their investors tell me that they have not. Please do because they have and they continue to even after being told by Lois La Seur in a letter dated May 5 2006 to Mr. Zietlin (Planning Manager Walton County) and cc Hard2Sell as well. They have had meeting where they did not inform the community and they have also bought another Lot to try in slide one in on the community. How many times do they need to be told that we do not want this in our community? I know that people have been sending their concerns to Cindy Meadows (District 5 Commissioner) to let her know that they have not been properly notified.(i.e. certified mail) because they do live within 300 feet of the proposed Lot 2 development. Am I wrong yet?

I have been posting the facts. If you read some of my earlier post you will realize the TRC is the Technical Review committee and that GE is who sent the letter to TRC for Lot 2.

I do not know what I would have to gain by lying to you about this project.

Buster do not be so obtuse. I am obviously against PrivateBA. If you would take a moment and read my post you can plainly see that I do not want this to happen. As for the smearing the development I have only called them LyingFish Trailer Park and from what I have read and seen that is the truth.

As for working together I have received several emails from folks on SoWal that have appreciated the input. So who are to tell me what to and not to post? Come on I am still waiting on someone to prove me wrong. I want the facts.

Edroedrog I was not scared off by BMBW I was in the Cayman Islands and did not bother checking this. You know I have told you that I like the people at H2O and have friends there. Even though you are on the internet you should be careful with what you say about calling people liars without proof and yes I do like people there and I do want the access at lot 2 I don't hide from that. You said it yourself one letter is not proof. I have spoken with H2O and there was no issue with the notice of people within 300 feet. You are wrong. And you keep saying that they didn't tell the community about their meeting just because GE's letter said so. You also know I want the access on the west not the east side of 30A because we are single family homes and the west side is mostly condos and townhomes and I would rather have them driven there rather than walking past my home. Why is that bad? Even if some people come down my road, less people will. I have said it before that you are a disgruntled ex-employee, a Redfish buyer who wants out or something you have not said. I say you are wrong and you say I am wrong. Your methods are very transparent though you have a serious axe to grind tell us what it is?

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The zoning for the 260 lot is infill. Also again, as a result, the resulting development MUST BE COMPATIBLE with the existing neighborhood. The existing nieghborhood is residential with actual single family homes on each side of the lot. ...

"Gated New Orleans style Gulf Front Estate located on the Gulf of Mexico off Hwy 30-A in Blue Mountain Beach between Destin and Panama City Beach. With about 77 ft of Gulf Frontage located on one of the highest bluffs in the surrounding area. Unique piece of property and rare opportunity to obtain one of the last lots of its kind with these amazing Gulf views along the Emerald Coast. Property is suitable for many uses.Development opportunity -- This lot is zoned as "In-Fill" to allow multiple dwellings if approved by zoning. Sea wall in place and a private beach access can be constructed. One owner home with the look and feel of a one story estate from New Orleans with Mexican tile, dark panel wood and detail finishes and gulf views from all angles (property needs a little TLC in current condition). A little time and imagination can turn this rare Estate Gulf Front lot into an opportunity of a life time. A must see."

Now again, I am not an attorney, but if I were the attorney or representative for Redfish Village, I would note these words during the meeting when the seller stands up to make his case. I would also note that the single family homes on both sides of the development were for sale.

I really cannot believe that someone fighting against private beach access would list his adjacent property for sale, noting that a "private beach access can be constructed."

I really have to throw some salt his way at anything he says on here.

Vagrant interesting with the slippery slope concept is that a law? Does anybody know where the golf cart parking and bathrooms for Draper Lake beach goers is and how it is zoned? I have heard this mentioned several times.

BMBV, you state your case very well in the above post. I feel the need to direct your attention to the property located west and adjacent to the subject property of 260 Blue Mtn Road. That property to which I refer is 248 Blue Mtn Rd. I believe you know the onwer, or should I say the other seller? He post regularly in this thread. In the recent meeting, I believe he is the one who spoke up and said that he didn't feel that the developer's representative was correct in stating that the surrounding property values would increase around the private beach access. (Personally, I agree that I don't think that would increase the values of adjacent properties.) Regardless of what I think, he just blew his case by increasing the asking price of his property from $6,000,000 to $6,200,000 in today's MLS. (Yes, some of us Realtors still track the market and the listings.) Did the seller see more potential for value and hence raise the price? Not looking like he fully believes what he preaches. One other point which is addressed regarding 248 Blue Mtn Rd, in the general comments of the listing are the following: (MLS # 450184 for those of you keeping tabs - accessible via www.emeraldcoasthomesonline.com, or your favorite Realtor.)

"Gated New Orleans style Gulf Front Estate located on the Gulf of Mexico off Hwy 30-A in Blue Mountain Beach between Destin and Panama City Beach. With about 77 ft of Gulf Frontage located on one of the highest bluffs in the surrounding area. Unique piece of property and rare opportunity to obtain one of the last lots of its kind with these amazing Gulf views along the Emerald Coast. Property is suitable for many uses.Development opportunity -- This lot is zoned as "In-Fill" to allow multiple dwellings if approved by zoning. Sea wall in place and a private beach access can be constructed. One owner home with the look and feel of a one story estate from New Orleans with Mexican tile, dark panel wood and detail finishes and gulf views from all angles (property needs a little TLC in current condition). A little time and imagination can turn this rare Estate Gulf Front lot into an opportunity of a life time. A must see."

Now again, I am not an attorney, but if I were the attorney or representative for Redfish Village, I would note these words during the meeting when the seller stands up to make his case. I would also note that the single family homes on both sides of the development were for sale.

I really cannot believe that someone fighting against private beach access would list his adjacent property for sale, noting that a "private beach access can be constructed."

I really have to throw some salt his way at anything he says on here.

SJ-What are we all arguing about then? Heck the realtor knows you can put PrivateBA why can't we accept it? She might want to reconsider what she post on the sight. I am going to go buy the lot and hold on to it. Developers will eat this lot up if PrivateBA is accepted next to it.

So we are now going to have PrivateBA next to each other. I feel sorry for the land around these PrivateBA developments.

Looks like the Trailer Park needs to buy if it is already zoned for this type of use. Should we call it Lot 3?

Many important points have been expressed here....some, not so important.
The reality for this project is this, you don't promise buyers something in condominium documents that you aren't prepared to deliver....before the shovel ever hits the ground.

Many important points have been expressed here....some, not so important.
The reality for this project is this, you don't promise buyers something in condominium documents that you aren't prepared to deliver....before the shovel ever hits the ground.

When they drew up the docs, they didn't know that this would be a problem. Development takes time and not all is guaranteed. That is why the buyers have the right to receive their money returned without penalty if the developer doesn't deliver what was promised.

SJ-Looks like we need to create a Thread for contract holders.

I didn't see the docs....but the state will have them on file.
SJ... The developers should have never assumed obtaining access would not be a problem if they knew in advance that they would
be creating this access through residential lots???

Agreed....but I think that would be 9 million plus construction/land costs for the project....don't even want to guess at that number!!:shock: :shock:

BMBV, you state your case very well in the above post. I feel the need to direct your attention to the property located west and adjacent to the subject property of 260 Blue Mtn Road. That property to which I refer is 248 Blue Mtn Rd. I believe you know the onwer, or should I say the other seller? He post regularly in this thread. In the recent meeting, I believe he is the one who spoke up and said that he didn't feel that the developer's representative was correct in stating that the surrounding property values would increase around the private beach access. (Personally, I agree that I don't think that would increase the values of adjacent properties.) Regardless of what I think, he just blew his case by increasing the asking price of his property from $6,000,000 to $6,200,000 in today's MLS. (Yes, some of us Realtors still track the market and the listings.) Did the seller see more potential for value and hence raise the price? Not looking like he fully believes what he preaches. One other point which is addressed regarding 248 Blue Mtn Rd, in the general comments of the listing are the following: (MLS # 450184 for those of you keeping tabs - accessible via www.emeraldcoasthomesonline.com, or your favorite Realtor.)

"Gated New Orleans style Gulf Front Estate located on the Gulf of Mexico off Hwy 30-A in Blue Mountain Beach between Destin and Panama City Beach. With about 77 ft of Gulf Frontage located on one of the highest bluffs in the surrounding area. Unique piece of property and rare opportunity to obtain one of the last lots of its kind with these amazing Gulf views along the Emerald Coast. Property is suitable for many uses.Development opportunity -- This lot is zoned as "In-Fill" to allow multiple dwellings if approved by zoning. Sea wall in place and a private beach access can be constructed.One owner home with the look and feel of a one story estate from New Orleans with Mexican tile, dark panel wood and detail finishes and gulf views from all angles (property needs a little TLC in current condition). A little time and imagination can turn this rare Estate Gulf Front lot into an opportunity of a life time. A must see."

Now again, I am not an attorney, but if I were the attorney or representative for Redfish Village, I would note these words during the meeting when the seller stands up to make his case. I would also note that the single family homes on both sides of the development were for sale.

I really cannot believe that someone fighting against private beach access would list his adjacent property for sale, noting that a "private beach access can be constructed."

I really have to throw some salt his way at anything he says on here.

" I really cannot believe that someone fighting against private beach access would list his adjacent property for sale, noting that a "private beach access can be constructed."

I understand they did at one point and had to do some shredding.

Posting the facts as always.

what are the facts regarding this shredding you speak of?

Sorry I should have used the word gathering not shredding.......

You are way too cryptic for me to be convinced of your "facts". I couldn't say one way or the other, but please......

Edroedrog you asked me to prove you wrong your words not mine. You were wrong on the ownership and you were wrong on almost everything else based on what I have been told. Where there is smoke there is fire and you are smoking. I have told you my agenda and that is that I do not want people walking down the road in front of my house when they could be driven to a single spot I think it is a good idea. You still have not told anybody what your agenda is for coming on and trying to smear people some of who are people that I like. You admitted being wrong about your "facts" now admit whether you were fired or just trying to get out of a contract in a bad market.