Redfish Village Beach Access

That made me laugh!

my daddy is bigger than your daddy.

I thought so Innuendodrog.

....ding ding ding, we have a winner. Finally!!!

This thread has gotten down to alot of name calling and insults. The fact here is that many people, beachfront owners and many others, will be greatly affected by the decisions made this week. I am an owner of property just west of 260 Blue Mountain Beach. I am opposed to the development by RFV. It appears to me that RFV developers misled their investors and now they are in trouble. I believe this action will set a terrible precedent all along 30A. This is not about private vs public beach. Mr. Thompson, your "not in my backyard" mentality troubles me. Do you have other reasons to support the 260 Blue Mountain location? Nevermind, I have read your responses. Many interested people are coming to this thread to read and to keep up with the progress. I hope the outcome will be the best for ALL of Blue Mountain!

This thread has gotten down to alot of name calling and insults. The fact here is that many people, beachfront owners and many others, will be greatly affected by the decisions made this week. I am an owner of property just west of 260 Blue Mountain Beach. I am opposed to the development by RFV. It appears to me that RFV developers misled their investors and now they are in trouble. I believe this action will set a terrible precedent all along 30A. This is not about private vs public beach. Mr. Thompson, your "not in my backyard" mentality troubles me. Do you have other reasons to support the 260 Blue Mountain location? Nevermind, I have read your responses. Many interested people are coming to this thread to read and to keep up with the progress. I hope the outcome will be the best for ALL of Blue Mountain!

I have told you my reasons and part of it is not in my backyard. At least I am honest about it. Do you, like Edroe and Vagrant have some higher purpose? If so, then why have I not seen one post not one from any of you on the Naturewalk thread. Because we all care about our personal agenda. At least mine is clear and open versus some contrived reason.

Since Edroe wouldn't say it, why don't you say how they "misled their investors". If you don't know then you are just another person smearing people without the facts.:nono1:

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I didn't create it....just relayed it. ;-)

I am tired of all this bickering. Why don't you all set a date (better be soon) and try to sit down like adults and work on the solution? No more innuendos, namecalling, heresay. Bring any and all information that you have and have a sit down. Ceruleans is a nice place to meet.

Do I have any takers?

I am tired of all this bickering. Why don't you all set a date (better be soon) and try to sit down like adults and work on the solution? No more innuendos, namecalling, heresay. Bring any and all information that you have and have a sit down. Ceruleans is a nice place to meet.

Do I have any takers?

Forget that BB. I want them all to show up with boxing gloves and settle this debate like MEN! SOWAL BRAWL 2007, artistic concussions by the sea.

Cute picture Vagrant. You have been reduced to that?

Vagrant I have been looking around the area today and I noticed that the residential preservation on the west side of the 83 and west of 260 blue mtn happens to have Condos on it. On my side of the road, all residential preservation is supposed to be single family. Can you shed some light on that? Why isn't your RP single family instead some condos.

And why is it that the Walton Sun shows one infill lot instead of showing that the lot bordering 260 blue mtn to the west is also Infill? Wonder why the Walton Sun artist didn't draw that accurately?

Finally, I drove down to see the Draper Lake lot which was referred to in the Community Meeting. It's on Gulf View Heights road. Can you tell me your opinion of why Draper Lake has a large bathroom facility and golf cart parking on a Residential Preservation lot? Looks like one of those scary "precedents" to me.

Smiling Joe do you have any insight on this topic?

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I didn't create it....just relayed it. ;-)

This fence has some holes in it for easy access.

Vagrant I have been looking around the area today and I noticed that the residential preservation on the west side of the 83 and west of 260 blue mtn happens to have Condos on it. On my side of the road, all residential preservation is supposed to be single family. Can you shed some light on that? Why isn't your RP single family instead some condos.

And why is it that the Walton Sun shows one infill lot instead of showing that the lot bordering 260 blue mtn to the west is also Infill? Wonder why the Walton Sun artist didn't draw that accurately?

Finally, I drove down to see the Draper Lake lot which was referred to in the Community Meeting. It's on Gulf View Heights road. Can you tell me your opinion of why Draper Lake has a large bathroom facility and golf cart parking on a Residential Preservation lot? Looks like one of those scary "precedents" to me.

Smiling Joe do you have any insight on this topic?

I believe SunSeekers Condominiums were built in the late 1980's, prior to the land use codes which are currently in place. Since the south part of Grande Beach consists of many lots smaller than what Residential Preservation allows, my guess for that is that Grande Beach was also developed prior to the current land use codes.

Regarding the Walton Sun map, it is drawn correctly. If you look closely, you will see that the map is not drawn in parcels, but rather, it is drawn in land use categories. You will also notice that the red dot marking the "proposed private access" is positioned slightly left of center on that land use category.

As for Draper Lake, I have a question for you. Can you tell me how a developer can specifically have golf cart parking at a location where you would have to drive down public roads in order to access the parking lot, which, by the way, is illegal?

Thank you Smiling Joe I was talking about the Blue Mountain Condos but I guess the same applies. My thought is that for the lay person like me when I look at that article and drawing it makes it look like that lot is right next to single family homes. Even though the Infill lot to the west has one now, it is being marketed as a development parcel then people don't really realize that it's all condos in the "brown" section. I do see your point but it should have been drawn as parcels.

I don't understand your question about Draper Lake but if you are asking me whether it is golf cart parking it is. And there is a big bathroom building - go check it out if you want - on a residential preservation lot.

I was just making the point that even though it is illegal to operate a golf cart on the public road, right of way, and bike/walking trails, Draper Lake Properties have created a parking area specifically for Golf Carts, which in order to access by golf cart, the guest or owners must break the law. As a friend of mine often says, "that ain't right."

I was just making the point that even though it is illegal to operate a golf cart on the public road, right of way, and bike/walking trails, Draper Lake Properties have created a parking area specifically for Golf Carts, which in order to access by golf cart, the guest or owners must break the law. As a friend of mine often says, "that ain't right."

Any thoughts on how they got this approved on a Residential Preservation lot?

Any thoughts on how they got this approved on a Residential Preservation lot?

The County probably did exactly what they are doing with Refish Village -- not looking at it as commercial. They probably said that the bathrooms did not count towards units for density.

The County probably did exactly what they are doing with Refish Village -- not looking at it as commercial. They probably said that the bathrooms did not count towards units for density.

I can see this on Infill (of course) but that lot is residential preservation, just like the Redfish Lot 1.

I've asked before why we were here in the first place having this discussion so near the scheduled closing dates for Redfish Village. Here is just one snippet of one of several emails being sent to the County by others opposing the RFV private access proposal:

.....[regarding the Inn at Blue Mountain Beach]... "Here we are 10 years later and we are right down the street from another mistake that could happen if you and your fellow commissioners don't stand up to these developers who do just about whatever they want to do in Walton County. If you don't believe it then read the story of how they published their access to the gulf in the original advertisements. They never had any respect for the Walton County government because they were counting on approvals that they hadn't even applied for. In the case of 10 years ago things started happening rapidly just like they are now and no one at the governing level would do anything about it. Also the developers PLAY BY THEIR OWN RULES NOT YOURS"....

I can see this on Infill (of course) but that lot is residential preservation, just like the Redfish Lot 1.

Are you sure that was not the observation tower you were looking at when you pasted the development?

I remember hearing something about Draper. Maybe that the developers traded the neighborhood access for their compliance. Without opposition the county probably didn't blink an eye. The same corp. did Rosemary Beach so it's not like anybody is going to tell them no.

If anyone is going to the meeting tomorrow can they please put here the results?

I remember hearing something about Draper. Maybe that the developers traded the neighborhood access for their compliance. Without opposition the county probably didn't blink an eye. The same corp. did Rosemary Beach so it's not like anybody is going to tell them no.

If anyone is going to the meeting tomorrow can they please put here the results?

....Now, everyone back to RFV.

....Now, everyone back to RFV.

Not interested in trying to learn why the County acts as they do, so that you might use that information to help fight your own battle???

If Draper Lake can use a Res Preservation lot for PBA, does this make Lot 1 an option for the development?

If Draper Lake can use a Res Preservation lot for PBA, does this make Lot 1 an option for the development?

No one has said that Draper Lake is using their interior lot for Private Beach Access. They are using it for a parking lot and bathrooms. It is closer to the public access than Draper Lake development, but is still a few lots away from the beach.

Got it. I have a place in Sandestin resort and the developers tried to expand development there too. I am of the opinion that if it enhances the community, you may as well support it.