Redfish Village Beach Access

That's not very nice. I have told you from the start my position. I would prefer the access on Lot 2 instead of Lot 1. That is better for at a minimum the east side of the neighborhood. You have a different opinion but talk to some of my neighbors and ask them what they think.

Not until I saw all this nastiness of people attacking and being slanderous did I feel the urge to stick up for these people. Being retired I have the time to do that what I don't understand is what do the rest of you do that let's you spend all day doing this?

KT...we spend the day doing what you do...we try to protect our interest and property.

KT...we spend the day doing what you do...we try to protect our interest and property.

Touche

....Do you own the wet sand? People can walk up and down the beach all they want.

Do I own the wet sand, you ask? Depends where the MHW line is which is established by a 19 year data average. Ask your wife; she's a lawyer.

People can certainly walk up and down the beach "legally" SOUTH of this MHW line. They can also put chairs and umbrellas there as well as long as they float.

I think I see an opportunity here. I think I'll invent "Vagrant's Umbrella and Chairs on a Raft". Looks like your buddies may need them.

Do I own the wet sand, you ask? Depends where the MHW line is which is established by a 19 year data average. Ask your wife; she's a lawyer.

People can certainly walk up and down the beach "legally" SOUTH of this MHW line. They can also put chairs and umbrellas there as well as long as they float.

I think I see an opportunity here. I think I'll invent "Vagrant's Umbrella and Chairs on a Raft". Looks like your buddies may need them.

Good idea. Just make sure you have it approve by VagrantPlanning and that it complies with VagrantLaw.

BMBV, I'm just curious here - sorry it's a little off topic: can anyone point to the MHW line? Or is there an agency that publishes this data anywhere? Also, does it get updated annually?

I realize that you didn't post the map, but you kept making reference to the notion that they were advertising blatent lies, such as this map noting the "county approved" beach access. I fail to see your evidence noting such. To me, it read like, Here is your map showing evidence that they were marketing it as such. Now that I find out it was not used in the advertising, but rather in the condo docs, you are still without evidence support your statement about the "lies."

Got it SJ. Glad you could set me straight today. I am not going to SMEAR these guys I am just going to try to prove that Lot 2 is incompatible too. Just like you have mentioned in your previous threads.

I used the word MIGHT Saturday and KT jumped all over me about my post. Then I proved it and then he jumped all over me again. This thread is driving me crazy. What do you people want from the anti-Lot 2 folks because the anti-Lot 1 folks got what they wanted.. Now we want to be treated the same.

....Why don't you tell us why you are gunning for these people? Is it just in your nature?

I will aggressively defend my private property rights when they are threatened, especially by a developer.

I believe I reacted the same way that people in your neck of the woods did last year with bathroom lot #1 including BMBCA.

And that was my point for calling out Blue Mountain Beach Community Association (BMBCA) and South Walton Community Council (SWCC) for their lack of support on this issue now that it affects me (us).

You don't live here. You can't even see the access from your condo.

I never said I did not live here. How you know what I can see from my property is amazing to me!

Do you not want other people on your beach that bad or are you just a hateful person?

Do you want other people walking in front of your house (which they legally can as you know)? OF course you've said no because you're selfish, even knowing they have a legal right to do so.

Give it up KT.

Give it up KT.

I will second that.

BMBV, I'm just curious here - sorry it's a little off topic: can anyone point to the MHW line? Or is there an agency that publishes this data anywhere? Also, does it get updated annually?

The Bureau of Survey and Mapping is supposedly responsible for this..."Locates the mean high water line as recognized in the State Constitution as the boundary between state sovereignty land and uplands subject to private ownership for the Coastal Mapping Act (F.S. 177 Part II)." I can Google too!! Also check out this. I believe one has to obtain a surveyor to establish this line on your property just like a regular survey but a little more involved.

The Bureau of Survey and Mapping is supposedly responsible for this..."Locates the mean high water line as recognized in the State Constitution as the boundary between state sovereignty land and uplands subject to private ownership for the Coastal Mapping Act (F.S. 177 Part II)." I can Google too!! Also check out this. I believe one has to obtain a surveyor to establish this line on your property just like a regular survey but a little more involved.

Thanks, you are a much better googler than me. ;-)

Once again to many armchair quarterbacks playing lawyer. My wife is a lawyer and for a change to cause somebody to have the ability to get out of a contract it has to be BOTH Material AND Adverse. Basic florida condo law. It takes a very knowledgeable attorney to understand all this certainly not some of the people posting. Since the developer spent the money and is trying to get it approved I can just guess that since the lot is closer and it is bigger and gives everything they thought they were getting how could somebody argue it is Adverse? Seems silly to me.

The other point my wife just made is that the people on here calling people liars and charging illegal action better be ready to defend themselves in court so they should be very sure of what they are saying.

Will they be voting on signage tonight too?

JohnR...seems like your always looking for something free.

please qualify the above.

edroe, did you not answer this post for a reason? it seemed pretty direct.

edroe, your wish has come true. this is the second most viewed thread on the board, besides the 'favorite restaurants' thread. still, i'm not really sure what your stake is here, besides that of a concerned citizen. but, the quantity and fervor of your posts leads me to believe it is more than that.

So,
1. what exactly are you trying to acomplish here?
2. do you own property on Blue Mountain Road?
3. do you own property in Blue Mountain Beach?
3. are you a former employee of RFV?
4. do you hold a current reservation in RFV?

pretty simple yes or no answers will suffice, except for #1. i ask only because if your readers have a better idea of your involvement, it may be easier for them to understand your posts, and/or help you with your quest.

thanks in advance for your direct response.

edroe, did you not answer this post for a reason? it seemed pretty direct.

I can take an educated guess, John R ... It would be that EDROE has a contract on a RFV unit which he wants out of. He "fished" for daayyssss to find out what anybody else might know regarding the project dealings, hoping for information to use to help get out of his contract. He is more concerned about being able to cancel his contract than how the Private Beach Access will affect the community, or adjacent homeowners. Like I said --- that is just my guess.;-)

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Anybody attend the BCC meeting this afternoon?

Any updates?

this guy is also going to make damn sure nobody walks on his beach either. his little signs are up already.

Anybody attend the BCC meeting this afternoon?

Any updates?

Great question!! I'm surprised there's no update by now...
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Great question!! I'm surprised there's no update by now...
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Unplugged...County approved Redfish Village proposal.

Unplugged...County approved Redfish Village proposal.

So for the benefit of those who only casually viewed this thread without bloodying their knuckles, who wins and who loses the debate? I couldn't even tell who was arguing for what after maybe the third page, it all seemed like a merry-go-round spewing venom

Skunky, last night's approval by the BCC of the Private Beach Access did not resolve the "debate" of this thread. ;-)

I thought it was over as nobody was posting on the thread today. In general, there are at least a dozen barbs posted by the time I get on the computer in mid morning. Oh well, halftimes over, let the rumble resume

The only thing that is resolved is that BMBVagrant and BMBWalker will now have even more people laying out on their property than they had in the past. However, that may take a while, especially if the buyers of Big Redfish are able to get out of their contracts due to the technical change of Redfish changing the location of their private beach access. Oh, also now it will be difficult for the few people on this thread who have been calling Redfish Development, "liars," will find that statement even more difficult to prove.

Will the results of the approval change the fact of people walking down the other streets? No. People will walk the most direct route. There are other things which Redfish Village can do to help prevent that, but last night's decision will not change the herd-mentality of people.

geez, kinda quiet around these parts. now we will have the pleasure of another 15 pages of the BMB West crowd discussing appeals, what color signs to put up, monkeywrenching, and the like. and maybe, edroe will answer direct questions. it may now actually be to his benefit to come clean.

From yesterday's Beach Breeze...

Please take note of the comment that Commissioner Sara Comander made at the BCC meeting:
"She thought the issue represented here to be single biggest one faced by the county's beaches after that if building height."

Kudos to Commissioner Camander for doing the right thing in voting against the project.

BMBV, I was at this meeting and have spoken with many neighbors. That Commissioner was a lone voice in a resounding approval of the project. It was sad to see you ruin this with the same approach you have taken on this thread only this time you were face to face with a Commissioner and Planning Staff who would not take your slanderous tone. You should be embarrassed and ashamed and at least have given your postings a rest for more than one day just out of pure respect for what you did to your neighbors' cause.

KT, Do the initials GRM mean anything to you, just curious?