In an effort not to trample Mr. Wise's book thread any longer, here is a new thread specifically for discussion about Redfish Village and their beach access.
So, BMBV, how did it go last night? Anything get ironed out?
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604Beach Lover
FancyNancy, Is that supposed to be some profound way to say you think I know who the lawyer is? Is this Jeopardy? Say what you mean. Of course GRM means something to anybody who has been involved in this and especially those who have been to the meetings, lived in this neighborhood or even read the papers. Does Lichfield mean anything to you NT?
Beach Comber
I don't care if you know who I am; I haven't been hiding my name. Anyone who knows me well knows who Fanceenan is. If you have gone to the trouble to know Lichfield, you've been putting time and energy into this.
Maybe you can share some info with us. Yes, I shouldn't have been so vague. Who are you and what is your connection to Redfish Village?
Maybe you can share some info with us. Yes, I shouldn't have been so vague. Who are you and what is your connection to Redfish Village?
Beach Lover
Yes all of five seconds on you to prove the point. "Share some info with us?" Read the last twenty pages.
Beach Lover
You stated you owned property east of 83, however go to http://www.waltonpa.com/ and search for 'name', there is no 'Kevin Thompson' that owns anything in Walton County. You were asking others their background, their 'stake' to the whole access issue - sounds like there is an interest on who you are. :scratch:
Yes all of five seconds on you to prove the point. "Share some info with us?" Read the last twenty pages.
Beach Lover
BMBV, I was at this meeting and have spoken with many neighbors. That Commissioner was a lone voice in a resounding approval of the project. It was sad to see you ruin this with the same approach you have taken on this thread only this time you were face to face with a Commissioner and Planning Staff who would not take your slanderous tone. You should be embarrassed and ashamed and at least have given your postings a rest for more than one day just out of pure respect for what you did to your neighbors' cause.
KT...bold words from someone who doesn't live where he says he'd lives.
Beach Fanatic
From The Walton Sun - January 27th, 2007:
Developers granted private beach access
By Gabriel Tynes gtynes@link.freedom.com
With District 5 Commissioner Cindy Meadows absent, the Board of County Commissioners voted three-to-one to allow the developers of Redfi sh Village to construct a private beach access for its tenants Tuesday. District 4 Commissioner Sara Comander was the lone nay vote, citing the lack of Meadow?s opinion as the access is in Meadows? district. Now, residents near the 80-foot wide lot at 260 Blue Mountain Rd. can expect to have more than 300 new seasonal neighbors.
?This is a multi-faceted issue,? Comander said. ?And I know people in Redfish Village are going to go to the beach somehow, someway. But this is the single greatest issue our beaches have faced since height restrictions, and I?d like to hear what [Meadows] has to say.?
Opponents of the project are worried the private access will set a precedent for other landward developments and pave the way for the public?s exclusion from beaches. Blue Mountain resident Eileen Mackett was also concerned the access did not meet guidelines for compatibility set forth in the county?s land development code. Mackett recited selected phrases from the code Tuesday, and challenged county planners to explain how the development meets certain requirements.
?No one has been able to answer how this development fits into the existing neighborhood pattern,? Mackett said.
Redfish Village?s pursuit of a private access began more than two years ago, when it purchased a beachfront parcel six lots east of County Road 83 to accompany its 80-unit community a few blocks inland. The original access project was abandoned because it failed to conform to zoning defi nitions. The new lot was purchased at a cost of slightly more than $5 million last year, and carried a zoning designation more conducive to private development.
County Planner Jason Bryan, who reviewed the project for the developers, said the access did indeed meet compatibility requirements, and the developers had agreed to dedicate the white sand area as public. Prior to its approval, developers also made a $50,000 donation to Tourist Development Council for repairs to the public access at CR 83. Bryan also reported the lot will carry restrictive covenants prohibiting loud noises, vendors and afterhours operation.
Redfish Attorney George Ralph Miller, who owns a home a few blocks east of the approved access, said the agreements qualify for a designation of ?civic use,? and therefore meet compatibility requirements.
?You can ?if? and ?but? this project to death,? Miller said. ?But we?re taking a step in the right direction. Those covenants will be in place for 20 years or more.?
When the access is constructed, it will feature two cabana bathrooms, a walkover, a locking fence and half-moon driveway. Developers have proposed that it be serviced by a twice-hourly trolley to discourage the use of personal vehicles. Planning Department Director Pat Blackshear also recommended the addition of bike racks and the construction of a bike path from the main development.
Commissioner Scott Brannon, who voted for the plan, said the resulting less crowded public beach access would be an enhancement to the neighborhood.
?We have a lot of beach access, and whether it is public or private it is still access,? Brannon said. ?More is better than less.?
Developers granted private beach access
By Gabriel Tynes gtynes@link.freedom.com
With District 5 Commissioner Cindy Meadows absent, the Board of County Commissioners voted three-to-one to allow the developers of Redfi sh Village to construct a private beach access for its tenants Tuesday. District 4 Commissioner Sara Comander was the lone nay vote, citing the lack of Meadow?s opinion as the access is in Meadows? district. Now, residents near the 80-foot wide lot at 260 Blue Mountain Rd. can expect to have more than 300 new seasonal neighbors.
?This is a multi-faceted issue,? Comander said. ?And I know people in Redfish Village are going to go to the beach somehow, someway. But this is the single greatest issue our beaches have faced since height restrictions, and I?d like to hear what [Meadows] has to say.?
Opponents of the project are worried the private access will set a precedent for other landward developments and pave the way for the public?s exclusion from beaches. Blue Mountain resident Eileen Mackett was also concerned the access did not meet guidelines for compatibility set forth in the county?s land development code. Mackett recited selected phrases from the code Tuesday, and challenged county planners to explain how the development meets certain requirements.
?No one has been able to answer how this development fits into the existing neighborhood pattern,? Mackett said.
Redfish Village?s pursuit of a private access began more than two years ago, when it purchased a beachfront parcel six lots east of County Road 83 to accompany its 80-unit community a few blocks inland. The original access project was abandoned because it failed to conform to zoning defi nitions. The new lot was purchased at a cost of slightly more than $5 million last year, and carried a zoning designation more conducive to private development.
County Planner Jason Bryan, who reviewed the project for the developers, said the access did indeed meet compatibility requirements, and the developers had agreed to dedicate the white sand area as public. Prior to its approval, developers also made a $50,000 donation to Tourist Development Council for repairs to the public access at CR 83. Bryan also reported the lot will carry restrictive covenants prohibiting loud noises, vendors and afterhours operation.
Redfish Attorney George Ralph Miller, who owns a home a few blocks east of the approved access, said the agreements qualify for a designation of ?civic use,? and therefore meet compatibility requirements.
?You can ?if? and ?but? this project to death,? Miller said. ?But we?re taking a step in the right direction. Those covenants will be in place for 20 years or more.?
When the access is constructed, it will feature two cabana bathrooms, a walkover, a locking fence and half-moon driveway. Developers have proposed that it be serviced by a twice-hourly trolley to discourage the use of personal vehicles. Planning Department Director Pat Blackshear also recommended the addition of bike racks and the construction of a bike path from the main development.
Commissioner Scott Brannon, who voted for the plan, said the resulting less crowded public beach access would be an enhancement to the neighborhood.
?We have a lot of beach access, and whether it is public or private it is still access,? Brannon said. ?More is better than less.?
Beach Lover
I'll say it again BMBW read the last 20 pages. And what is "bold" about what I said in post 575? You were there what did I say that was incorrect?
SoWal Expert
Redfish Village proposed beach access lot #1 is back on the market, priced at $2,775,000. It is listed with H20 properties. mls 454619.
needs to get out moreAuthor
This came down the pipe today...
Dear Florida Members,
WE NEED YOUR HELP! Video and still photo shots are needed from each chapter in order to engage the interest of all legislators that the FL Beach Access Bill is truly an important piece of legislation.
Here?s what we need you to do:
1) Identify areas where you are having or have had a beach access problem. This may relate to parking, an easement, a construction project?. anything that interferes with easy access to the beach.
2) Use the video function on your digital camera to take 10-20 sec. clips of the area from various angles. Attempt to capture the essence of the problem in you video shot, something that draws a reaction just by the image. We?ve uploaded some video at this website: http://www.surfrider.org/centralflorida/presentations/index.htm. If you don?t have a digital camera with video function, take still shots.
3) Identify signature landmarks that historically define your area of the State. Capture still shots or video of downtown, a lighthouse, a State Park Sign, etc? Something that makes your area instantly recognizable to a local legislator. We will be creating a slide show intro that will sweep across the state in order pull legislators into the concept that this is a statewide issue.
4) Lastly, gather shots of people using the beach. Sure, some surf shots, lots of grom pics would be good. More so, everyone else that uses the beach, especially shots of families and babies playing along the shoreline or walking the beach, couples holding hands as they walk the shoreline, fishermen, joggers, etc? Really try to gather some unique shots of people using the beach that people just normally wouldn?t think of.
As you capture these images please forward them to me immediately, we are under a tight deadline to create this video. You can email still images to me at edavanzo@surfrider.org. Your video clips will probably need to be burned to a CD and mailed to me. If you have any concerns on how to do that or using the video function on your camera, contact TJ Marshall at tjsurfrider@bellsouth.net who is assisting with this project. Please mail CD?s to me at: PO Box 683 Jensen Beach FL 34958.
Of course we will send all chapters a final copy of this video when it is completed so you can visit your legislators locally, show them and discuss this critically important issue.
Sincerely,
Ericka D'Avanzo
Florida Regional Manager
Surfrider Foundation
PO Box 683
Jensen Beach, FL 34957
772-225-3780
edavanzo@surfrider.org
http://www.surfrider.org/
Dear Florida Members,
WE NEED YOUR HELP! Video and still photo shots are needed from each chapter in order to engage the interest of all legislators that the FL Beach Access Bill is truly an important piece of legislation.
Here?s what we need you to do:
1) Identify areas where you are having or have had a beach access problem. This may relate to parking, an easement, a construction project?. anything that interferes with easy access to the beach.
2) Use the video function on your digital camera to take 10-20 sec. clips of the area from various angles. Attempt to capture the essence of the problem in you video shot, something that draws a reaction just by the image. We?ve uploaded some video at this website: http://www.surfrider.org/centralflorida/presentations/index.htm. If you don?t have a digital camera with video function, take still shots.
3) Identify signature landmarks that historically define your area of the State. Capture still shots or video of downtown, a lighthouse, a State Park Sign, etc? Something that makes your area instantly recognizable to a local legislator. We will be creating a slide show intro that will sweep across the state in order pull legislators into the concept that this is a statewide issue.
4) Lastly, gather shots of people using the beach. Sure, some surf shots, lots of grom pics would be good. More so, everyone else that uses the beach, especially shots of families and babies playing along the shoreline or walking the beach, couples holding hands as they walk the shoreline, fishermen, joggers, etc? Really try to gather some unique shots of people using the beach that people just normally wouldn?t think of.
As you capture these images please forward them to me immediately, we are under a tight deadline to create this video. You can email still images to me at edavanzo@surfrider.org. Your video clips will probably need to be burned to a CD and mailed to me. If you have any concerns on how to do that or using the video function on your camera, contact TJ Marshall at tjsurfrider@bellsouth.net who is assisting with this project. Please mail CD?s to me at: PO Box 683 Jensen Beach FL 34958.
Of course we will send all chapters a final copy of this video when it is completed so you can visit your legislators locally, show them and discuss this critically important issue.
Sincerely,
Ericka D'Avanzo
Florida Regional Manager
Surfrider Foundation
PO Box 683
Jensen Beach, FL 34957
772-225-3780
edavanzo@surfrider.org
http://www.surfrider.org/
Beach Lover
Redfish Village proposed beach access lot #1 is back on the market, priced at $2,775,000. It is listed with H20 properties. mls 454619.
SJ...the Commissioners granted RFV's request for a beach access lot with the requirement that they complete the side walk, bike path, on CR-83....do you know of any activity on this requirement?
Also, has there been any sales interest in Lot #1?
The beach house on the lot was torn down quickly after the Commissioners vote, but it appears no further work has been done in creating the private gated access walkway.
SoWal Expert
I have not seen any activity of paving the remainder of the sidewalk on the west side of 83, south of 30A. I do believe that the property where the existing sidewalk is located is actually private property, so maybe there is some delay with the vacant lot owners where the sidewalk doesn't exist.
As for interest in the lot, I have not shown it, but I cannot speak for others who may have shown it. There is a new lot, located just down the street, about to commence on the construction of a new home (Gulf Front).
Yes, they ripped down the house the day following the approval from the BCC. Yesterday, there was a big construction truck on the site, doing who knows what -- maybe getting ready to start on the walkover.
As for interest in the lot, I have not shown it, but I cannot speak for others who may have shown it. There is a new lot, located just down the street, about to commence on the construction of a new home (Gulf Front).
Yes, they ripped down the house the day following the approval from the BCC. Yesterday, there was a big construction truck on the site, doing who knows what -- maybe getting ready to start on the walkover.
SoWal Expert
The walkover has been constructed, sans the railings and gate. Plumbing is being installed for the poop houses.
Beach Lover
The walkover has been constructed, sans the railings and gate. Plumbing is being installed for the poop houses.
I noticed the walkway to the beach. It seems to be built on the county's beach. It's length is protruding a long way from the bluffs. I'm wondering if RFV is in violation of any county codes concerning building on county property, especially on county owned public beach. It would appear there is some conflict with the codes if a private access for a commercial development is built using county owned public beach property.
SoWal Expert
BMB,
What is unique about building on public Beaches? Many homeowners have built walkover on public property in Walton County, some have even built their buildings on public property.
What is unique about building on public Beaches? Many homeowners have built walkover on public property in Walton County, some have even built their buildings on public property.
SoWal Insider
BMB,
What is unique about building on public Beaches? Many homeowners have built walkover on public property in Walton County, some have even built their buildings on public property.
AND their seawalls on public beaches.
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Beach Lover
BMB,SJ...Some structures may have been built on the beach, but I don't think that is the norm for county, State and Federal public beaches. I thought structures had to be approved by the appropriate governing body and would have to be removed from the beach if they had not been approved. Isn't that the process? As you know, the county received the beach portion of RFV's private gated access proposal and now we have a private property owner using county owned public beach for it's financial benefit.
What is unique about building on public Beaches? Many homeowners have built walkover on public property in Walton County, some have even built their buildings on public property.
You speak of homeowners building on public property. Are these structures built on county, State or Federal public property that are public beaches? If so, could you please give a couple of examples.
SoWal Expert
Yes, the structures are built on public beach. Look no further than the new Nature Walk Beach Club property which, according to a NatureWalk representative, has a seawall and a cabana on public beach property. They also have a building which sits on County property, according to the Planning Dept.
Edited
Beach Lover
Yes, the structures are built on public beach. Look no further than the new Nature Walk Beach Club property which, according to a NatureWalk representative, has a seawall and a cabana on public beach property. They also have a building which sits on County property, according to the Planning Dept.
SJ...I think this was predicted last January.
Beach Fanatic
Beach Fanatic
I posted this on another thread, see if this helps.Comprehensive Beach Preservation Bill Passes Florida LegislatureTallahassee, Fla.(May 8, 2007) ?Surfrider Foundation?s ten Florida chapters saw success in the final days of the 2007 Florida Legislative Session, when sweeping beach management legislation benefiting beachgoers and coastal wildlife was passed unanimously by both the Florida House (HB7175) and Senate (SB1472). The legislation now awaits almost certain signature by newly elected Governor Crist.
After months of tireless effort, coastal groups are celebrating the passage of a bill that preserves the public?s right to access the beach and protects beach users and sea turtles from harm caused by an experimental form of coastal armoring. Florida now joins the ranks of Texas and Oregon with adequate beach access protection policy.
?We are delighted to finally see the full protection of beach access,? said Ericka D?Avanzo, Florida Regional Manager of the Surfrider Foundation. ?Now recreational beach users can be assured that as growth continues along our coastline, we should not see any future loss of access points.? This was accomplished through a clarification of Florida Statue Chapter 161, which will ensure perpendicular beach access is equally important as lateral access.
Gary Appelson, Policy Coordinator for the Gainesville-based Caribbean Conservation Corporation and co-supporter, said, ?It was exciting to see so many organizations working to protect Florida ?s beaches. It was also heartening to see legislators standing up unanimously for the protection of sea turtles, as well as Florida ?s beach and dune system.? The additional permitting requirements for geotextile tubes provide a more cautious blueprint for their selective use.
This bill was championed by Senators Dennis Jones and Burt Saunders and Representative Stan Mayfield. Other key and supportive entities included the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, the Department of Environmental Protection and other environmental groups, such as the Florida Ocean and Coastal Coalition.
All supporting organizations and agencies look forward to Governor Crist?s signature on this bill.
The Surfrider Foundation is a non-profit grassroots organization dedicated to the protection of our world?s oceans, waves and beaches. Founded in 1984 by a handful of visionary surfers, the Surfrider Foundation now maintains over 50,000 members and over 60 chapters across the United States and Puerto Rico, with international affiliates in Australia , Europe, Japan and Brazil . For more information, visit www.surfrider.org
I have more info on the supposed private beach stuff if you want it.
After months of tireless effort, coastal groups are celebrating the passage of a bill that preserves the public?s right to access the beach and protects beach users and sea turtles from harm caused by an experimental form of coastal armoring. Florida now joins the ranks of Texas and Oregon with adequate beach access protection policy.
?We are delighted to finally see the full protection of beach access,? said Ericka D?Avanzo, Florida Regional Manager of the Surfrider Foundation. ?Now recreational beach users can be assured that as growth continues along our coastline, we should not see any future loss of access points.? This was accomplished through a clarification of Florida Statue Chapter 161, which will ensure perpendicular beach access is equally important as lateral access.
Gary Appelson, Policy Coordinator for the Gainesville-based Caribbean Conservation Corporation and co-supporter, said, ?It was exciting to see so many organizations working to protect Florida ?s beaches. It was also heartening to see legislators standing up unanimously for the protection of sea turtles, as well as Florida ?s beach and dune system.? The additional permitting requirements for geotextile tubes provide a more cautious blueprint for their selective use.
This bill was championed by Senators Dennis Jones and Burt Saunders and Representative Stan Mayfield. Other key and supportive entities included the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, the Department of Environmental Protection and other environmental groups, such as the Florida Ocean and Coastal Coalition.
All supporting organizations and agencies look forward to Governor Crist?s signature on this bill.
The Surfrider Foundation is a non-profit grassroots organization dedicated to the protection of our world?s oceans, waves and beaches. Founded in 1984 by a handful of visionary surfers, the Surfrider Foundation now maintains over 50,000 members and over 60 chapters across the United States and Puerto Rico, with international affiliates in Australia , Europe, Japan and Brazil . For more information, visit www.surfrider.org
I have more info on the supposed private beach stuff if you want it.
SoWal Expert
SJ...I think this was predicted last January.
Why are you pointing me out with this issue?Beach Lover
SJ...I thought you had an interest in this issue. Not pointing you out, only posting this as information.
SoWal Expert
I do have an interest in the beach and didn't understand why you mentioned my name with regards to the sign.
Beach Fanatic
I've heard that about only 25% of the units at RFV have actually "closed". Anyone have an update on what is happening? TIA.
Beach Fanatic
I must agree with BMB owners. What a shame that their once peaceful beach will be overrrun.:angry:
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