Robert
If you won't name names then it is rumor. Obviously they have not gone on record. Keeping it secret allows them to change their mind.
You're also making the assumption that wroberts not just lieing.
You're also making the assumption that wroberts not just lieing.
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Beach Fanatic
That sounds like something the Pharisees might have been caught uttering about a certain pesky little Jew from Nazareth cica 0015 AD.;-)
Great post. This got me thinking. Religion sells. Maybe Hollywood should come out with a new series about Heyzeus in his teens. I'm thinking something on the WB or the CW like Smallville.
If I'm wrong and I go to hell, the devil and I are going to laugh about all these Sowal posts.
:shock:
SoWal Insider
For the record, the words "under god" were not in the original version. This was added in 1954 thanks to the lobbying efforts of the Knights of Columbus and the Presbyterian church.
I know and I started to mention that, but didn't. In any event, I don't think we should remove the Pledge of Allegiance from public schools.
Beach Lover
Just finished watching President Obama's speech. In closing he said God twice. His last statement was "God bless America".
I guess you guy's have a long way to go with your reform (and yes, it is reform).
By the way, Geo, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, be it for God or against God.
I guess you guy's have a long way to go with your reform (and yes, it is reform).
By the way, Geo, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, be it for God or against God.
Skunky
Just finished watching President Obama's speech. In closing he said God twice. His last statement was "God bless America".
I guess you guy's have a long way to go with your reform (and yes, it is reform).
By the way, Geo, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, be it for God or against God.
By God, I bet he really meant Allah. Would you be 'cool'with that?
Beach Fanatic
Just finished watching President Obama's speech. In closing he said God twice. His last statement was "God bless America".
I guess you guy's have a long way to go with your reform (and yes, it is reform).
I hear Obama say God Bless America all the time. What's your point? This has no impact whatsoever on the religion in schools debate.
Believe me, I don't care for it when President Obama says it any more than I did when George Bush or Bill Clinton said it. It seems like pandering to me. And I suspect that he says it because everyone before him said it and because it has become customary to say. And he's pandering, did I say that at least twice?
Reform? Maybe some people voted for Obama because they wanted reform. But regardless, I think many, if not most, of Obama's supporters are realistic about what kind of reform we can expect- which quite frankly probably isn't that much given what he has to work with.
By the way, Geo, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, be it for God or against God.
Hey, if you say so...
But please help me to get a clue about what YOU are talking about in your post.
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Beach Lover
By God, I bet he really meant Allah. Would you be 'cool'with that?
Are you referring to the presidents "supposed" background? I hope not.
Besides, God and (their) Allah are two separate entities. For that matter, God and all entities are separate.
Maybe you guy's should do some more research. I mean, man - even the devil believes in God.
Oh.......never mind!
Skunky
Are you referring to the presidents "supposed" background? I hope not.
Besides, God and (their) Allah are two separate entities. For that matter, God and all entities are separate.
Maybe you guy's should do some more research. I mean, man - even the devil believes in God.
Oh.......never mind!
Never mind indeed!
Beach Fanatic
Maybe you guy's should do some more research. I mean, man - even the devil believes in God.
do you really believe that those of us who choose not to be immersed in religion have arrived at this choice by way of not doing research or making ourselves informed on the subject?
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SoWal Insider
As well it should. It's better to be a bit scared now than after you take your final breath, when it is too late to do anything about it.i've taught my kids to internally question ALL authority. they have well developed bs meters. respect is earned by actively living the example. the "lack of" attitude starts at home. high divorces rates, necessity of two wage earners, reality tv that promotes ruthlessness as entertainment, ultra violent music and/or movies, more personal freedom from a less homogenous and repressive culture, rise of litigation as a first choice, acceptance of corruption in business and government, skepticism fueled by 24/7 info on the internet.....kids are ultimately a reflection of their environment in the home, and raising kids is too much of a task for far too many folks.
Moving along, there is one disturbing trend that is apparent in our schools and in our young adults for some time now (not all young people, or even the majority, but enough to know something has changed) - a total and complete lack of respect for authority. Lack of respect for parents, lack of respect for the administrators of the schools, and the one that personally raises our hackles, lack of respect for law enforcement and the judicial system. Many of the young'uns who walk through the doors of our workplaces have no clue that it is unacceptable to behave certain ways in a civilized society. It should be pretty obvious what my spouse and I and most of Walton County attribute this to, at least in part. (There is also the issue of arse whoopin', but one controversial subject at a time, please.) What do you guys who are more liberal than we are believe this is attributable to? Or heaven (no pun intended) forbid, do you think it is okay?
SoWal Insider
arse whoopin? i guess that teaches respect of force, and keeps alive a family tradition.
Beach Lover
I hear Obama say God Bless America all the time. What's your point? This has no impact whatsoever on the religion in schools debate.
I think it's an impact. Hmmm... schools say evolution, big bang, science & wonder, but the leadership of our country says God? That might hint at a lack of respect for authority.
At least they (leadership) embrace a direction, which has kept us ahead thus far. But then we show our children multiple directions and say "pick one, good luck". The phrase that comes to mind is "children raising children".
Reform? Maybe some people voted for Obama because they wanted reform. But regardless, I think many, if not most, of Obama's supporters are realistic about what kind of reform we can expect- which quite frankly probably isn't that much given what he has to work with.
I think I was speaking of a different reform (taking God out of schools). Are you saying president Obama supports this or has an agenda for this kind of reform. I didn't know. By the way, I understand "reform" as taking an accepted thought or practice and, well.... "reforming it"- lol.
Another thing I'm wondering - anybody- Why is it suddenly so offensive to here mention of God in America? Does it hurt you that bad? I mean, I find many things in our society offensive, but I don't go around fighting about it. Seems like a lot of worse things have happened lately besides someone uttering the word God in a public place.
Also, curious about the agenda of removing God in general. When your quest is complete, are you gonna sit back in your chair and say, "Ahhh, there, that's better, ohhh yeah."
Beach Lover
*(never mind indeed)*
Ha!
Ha!
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Banned
Are you referring to the presidents "supposed" background? I hope not.
Besides, God and (their) Allah are two separate entities. For that matter, God and all entities are separate.
Maybe you guy's should do some more research. I mean, man - even the devil believes in God.
Oh.......never mind!
Doing research into fiction is not a productive use of time IMO.
Beach Lover
Doing research into fiction is not a productive use of time IMO.
Now that's ironic!
Beach Lover
do you really believe that those of us who choose not to be immersed in religion have arrived at this choice by way of not doing research or making ourselves informed on the subject?
Slow down, now - I'm only using two fingers here!
Isn't "not immersed in religion" a religion in itself? Isn't evolution a religion (man is his own god)? Isn't big bang a religion? I mean, come on, everything had to come from "something". Put a rock and a stick in a box and bury it - come back 50 years later - guess what's in there - same rock and stick!
Nothing comes from nothing.
So, I guess I believe that those who haven't made a choice have chosen not to choose.
I will say though, making yourselves informed nowadays is a very confusing process. It may startle you, but I am very positive about my belief, and I don't even go to church! I choose not to. I've found God's word twisted, if not reversed, in almost every church I've been to.
p.s. - Gotta go to bed - I'll finish fightin with ya tomorrow.
Banned
Slow down, now - I'm only using two fingers here!
Isn't "not immersed in religion" a religion in itself? Isn't evolution a religion (man is his own god)? Isn't big bang a religion? I mean, come on, everything had to come from "something". Put a rock and a stick in a box and bury it - come back 50 years later - guess what's in there - same rock and stick!
Nothing comes from nothing.
So, I guess I believe that those who haven't made a choice have chosen not to choose.
I will say though, making yourselves informed nowadays is a very confusing process. It may startle you, but I am very positive about my belief, and I don't even go to church! I choose not to. I've found God's word twisted, if not reversed, in almost every church I've been to.
p.s. - Gotta go to bed - I'll finish fightin with ya tomorrow.
You're arguments lead me to believe ignorance is a religion and you're a high priest.
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SoWal Insider
I think every President says, "God Bless America." I believe it would draw more attention and scorn should we ever have a Commander in Chief who doesn't say those words.
Jindal - of Hindu descent (I presume because he is second generation Indian and he could have been reared Christian, but I say descent), said, "God Bless Louisiana AND God Belss America."
I thought the President gave a great speech to Congress. It improved his approvals immediately.
Y'all have a great day!
Jindal - of Hindu descent (I presume because he is second generation Indian and he could have been reared Christian, but I say descent), said, "God Bless Louisiana AND God Belss America."
I thought the President gave a great speech to Congress. It improved his approvals immediately.
Y'all have a great day!
margarita brocolia
You're arguments lead me to believe ignorance is a religion and you're a high priest..
....^5.
Beach Fanatic
Woodworker, you said I don't have a clue what I am talking about. This bothered me initially because I put a lot of effort into my exchange of ideas here and believe it or not I do care what people think of me.
But after reading your last few posts, let's just say I am no longer bothered.
But after reading your last few posts, let's just say I am no longer bothered.
Beach Lover
You're arguments lead me to believe ignorance is a religion and you're a high priest.
Ahhh....fresh horses.
O.K.-First off, I'm not here to convert anybody, let's be clear on that! But I do believe that having "no religion" is a cop-out. Having a belief in one entity or another has been the norm for thousands of years. Suddenly, all you "learned" folks want to wipe religion out, starting with the children, which is how any new way of thought is accomplished. May take a generation or two.
Since we're getting way off topic here (religion in schools), let me try to package my point and present it to you.....
It would probably best at this point to keep all religion out of the schools, for your sakes, even though some of the larger universities, not to mention america, was built based on religion.
But - all religion must be kept out! This includes evolution, etc. Any historic belief that can't be obviously proven be an unbiased majority (past or present). Keep any "ideas" or "psychologies" out of the curriculum. Keep it to literacy, problem solving, and skill building. Don't even mention religious choice in school.
That way we can all raise our children based on our personal beliefs or religions, or let them have free rein if that's how you want to raise them.
If you're going to teach "millions and billions of years ago" in school, that is religion-and it undermines the teaching of our "family" religions at the home.
Beach Fanatic
Isn't "not immersed in religion" a religion in itself? Isn't evolution a religion (man is his own god)? Isn't big bang a religion? I mean, come on, everything had to come from "something". Put a rock and a stick in a box and bury it - come back 50 years later - guess what's in there - same rock and stick!
If you are from a Christian denomination that sees the bible as symbolic instead of literal (Roman Catholic, many Orthodox churchs, multiple mainstream Protestant churches) there's nothing incompatible about God and evolution. Instead evolution is the tool that God used to shape the universe in a way that was interesting to Him.
My Catholic school science classes covered evolution at several different grade levels.
Beach Fanatic
arse whoopin? i guess that teaches respect of force, and keeps alive a family tradition.
It taught me that when my parents said jump, they meant JUMP. Not later, not after negotiating it, NOW.
"Time Out" and loss of privileges was useless in 1960's Walton County, as there was nothing to do and you had no privileges anyway.
As for kids that are taught to question authority...that just makes me sad.
Beach Fanatic
It taught me that when my parents said jump, they meant JUMP. Not later, not after negotiating it, NOW.
"Time Out" and loss of privileges was useless in 1960's Walton County, as there was nothing to do and you had no privileges anyway.
As for kids that are taught to question authority...that just makes me sad.
I'm really torn on this one. I was raised to JUMP. We refrained from spanking our son and used "time outs" and the other more PC methods. I really don't think they work and I have to ask our son 10 times to do just about anything. Everything is a discussion, debate and negotiation and I must admit I am fed up with where we are.
Beach Lover
Woodworker, you said I don't have a clue what I am talking about. This bothered me initially because I put a lot of effort into my exchange of ideas here and believe it or not I do care what people think of me.
But after reading your last few posts, let's just say I am no longer bothered.
In my opinion, you shouldn't care so much about what people think of you. I constantly get accused of not knowing what I'm talking about, and it doesn't faze me or my beliefs- not one bit. You're beliefs are not going to be accepted by everyone in this world, so you better be thick skinned, unless you're just going to surround yourself with like minded people (like the modern church has done).
I guess what I was getting at is- research is a fact-finding quest that never ends throughout one's life, so choosing to throw your hands in the air and believing nothing is the end of research. Plus talking about gods or devils that you really haven't researched thoroughly is just silly. If you think the Bible is a fairy tale, then go on your quest to research it and prove it wrong. Don't rely on a Hollywood movie or spoon fed beliefs to base your religion on.
This debate could go on forever (as it always has), although in ancient times, people had proof (eyewitness) of God and they chose to either follow Him or rebel against Him. A little more cut and dried. Now it's total confusion.
I'd love to keep this up, even though it's gotten way off topic, but I have to get to work. I'll check this thread later - or better yet feel free to PM me. Be warned though-I'm from St. Louis too, so that "show me" mentality is coming into play! (I think we're both hard heads.)
Again to summarize - If you take God out of schools, then take evolution out also. Let's teach our own children in the home.
Beach Lover
If you are from a Christian denomination that sees the bible as symbolic instead of literal (Roman Catholic, many Orthodox churchs, multiple mainstream Protestant churches) there's nothing incompatible about God and evolution. Instead evolution is the tool that God used to shape the universe in a way that was interesting to Him.
My Catholic school science classes covered evolution at several different grade levels.
First of all, I'm not a part of any Christian denomination. I believe the Bible is totally and completely literal. The church has turned into separate groups of people and beliefs - totally off base from Christ's original church that was set up in the Acts of the Apostles.
Maybe the catholic bible is different, but I don't find one shred of evidence of evolution in my Bible. I believe that thinking is called gap theory.
Just because a catholic school (or any religious school) teaches a thought, doesn't make it God's words. It's up to the individual to test the teaching against God's word, and most importantly without adding to or taking away from it.
Believe me, you can research Genesis for years and still find new and relevant information. Do your research according to the language spoken during the era - the words of the ancients had different, sometimes much more elaborate meanings than the same form of the word we use today.
But let's not get into the different bible debate, we've got our hands full at this point!
Also, if you think God created the universe to make it "interesting" to Himself, then I think you've missed something in your studies.
I'd love to do this all day, but unfortunately I haven't found a way to get a paycheck out of it, so I gotta get to work. I'll check back as often as I can.
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