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TheSheep avatar
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Holy`Shmoley, my SheepGod, I couldn't believe it.

It had been since the early 90s when I and Mrs. TheSheep escorted the rams to play baseball in nearby P.C. We left those wooly ballplayers and wandered off to the Grayton/Seaside/Etc. area. We found this quaint little fourplex and settled into the fourth of it. Off 30, back roads made of shelltails and cocklepuppies :idontno:, few neighbors, wide beaches, paradise found.

What the focken happened?

We recently turned off the Monster Highway to Rosemary Beach to be granted by stacked housing stacked on stacks of housing. TheSheep is a developer of barns, mainly commercial sheep centers, but I had no idea what those empty, "overpriced" lots of the early 90s were going to turn out looking like.

Before you get your knickers in a knot, ThisTheSheep is not criticizing in terms of "nonny nonny boo-boo, what the hell are you thinking about", your choice of stable, each to his own.

I can positively comment that the architectural diversity is rather eye-catching; WaterMark (sp??) is iris-candy, Alys Beach is supreme in its abstractness and that boat house thing, what Conspicuous Consumption Cooglehead is building that retina burner?

Seaside (square) looks like it got boxed in like Central Park (hey, why not build a few more and higher whatevers off the Square too..or, you are, my baaaaaaaaaaaaad).

It was a really dizzying experience for TheSheep; the Missus simply projectile vomited to perform her displeasure. :eek:

What a mix, a sense of community, crampness, beauty, distortion, investment value, serious $ to value outofunk ratios, luxury, cheepy (cheepy?), quaintness, soon-to-be-dead bicyclers, pedestrian friendliness, dogs n cats sleeping together........

I feel like I missed something and nothing all at the same time. :confused:

What I am trying to understand is the composite mentality of this living style. That is, what draws shee, er people to live on top of each other (careful........) and pay such inordinate sums for the privilidge?

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TheSheep avatar
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#127
Sheepster, Your Cape San Blas play is solid, as the development will eventually come to you. The PC airport to be built is the catalyst, and the beauty and relative isolation will be the draw. SoWal has the slight edge on beach visuals, but yes, Gordon Gecko set up shop here a few years ago, and will not be leaving.
The PC airport is a good/bad proposition. This will mean more ferners flying in. Having spent six months on Sanibel, I can tell you that Speedos and German male ale sluggers do not, repeat, do not coexist well.

I believe you are correct re: the draw and I also belive that a significant incfrease in pricing will materialize. Which makes TheSheep wonder why it is that he is having trouble finding sheepskins to invest. :idontno:
TheSheep avatar
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#128
Methinks TheSheep needs to learn to multi-quote.
Nice catcher you have their, Pea. TheSheep has spent many suns and moons behind the lesser of the battery, my wool still bears the marks of 202 stitches, must be a cow thing. :blink:

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TooFarTampa avatar
SoWal Insider
#129
We too have this lingering fear that by the time we are ready to retire, 30A may be so crowded we may not want to live there full-time! We were impressed by the fact that the area restricted building heights, and had the forsight to actually have some plans in place (unlike the Destin area). Now we must concern ourselves that the elected officials will uphold those restrictions. :idontno:

I still think we will eventually make the permanent move and be happy with it. I will be sad if things get too crowded though and the area becomes stripped of it's natural beauty. I feel very good about the community and activism within it - this is what can help SoWal remain SoWal, the wonderful place that it is.

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Another plus is the permanent conservation land -- lots and lots and lots of it, relatively speaking -- in Walton County.

By the time we are ready to retire, I suspect there will be NO uncrowded beaches anywhere in the U.S., and SoWal will be about as good as it gets.

It definitely will never again look like it did 20 years ago. You can blame the dumb actions of certain developers or county commissioners, but if there weren't more people that needed or wanted housing, all this development would never have happened. The population thing is going to get way worse not better. :idontno: The current logjam of unsold properties will subside, at some point, because Florida is just getting more crowded. The only thing that is likely to stop it is some sort of major environmental catastrophe.

I have a friend who wants to have five children and complains about sprawl. :bang: It is what it is.
TheSheep avatar
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#130
Another plus is the permanent conservation land -- lots and lots and lots of it, relatively speaking -- in Walton County.

By the time we are ready to retire, I suspect there will be NO uncrowded beaches anywhere in the U.S., and SoWal will be about as good as it gets.
TheSheep read that a X absorption rate, there is Y years until the beachfronts (which does not include first or second or other tiers), will be full. I don't know when you retire but I believe that was a 50 year Y.
As the Ram says, "Butt you could be wrong, TheSheep." :floor:
TheSheep avatar
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#131
It definitely will never again look like it did 20 years ago. You can blame the dumb actions of certain developers or county commissioners, but if there weren't more people that needed or wanted housing, all this development would never have happened. The population thing is going to get way worse not better. :idontno: The current logjam of unsold properties will subside, at some point, because Florida is just getting more crowded. The only thing that is likely to stop it is some sort of major environmental catastrophe.

I have a friend who wants to have five children and complains about sprawl. :bang: It is what it is.
After five kids, er, children, she may be the one sprawling.

Back to the question at hand. The developers give the sheeple what they want. The sheeple want high density regardless of the fact that high density, gross statistically speaking, means higher crime, more sheep waste, and a myriad of other problems. Why high density then?

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TheSheep avatar
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#132
Wow theres alot to read here......but it's simple really, change is inevitable, I have only been going to Seagrove for vacation for about five years and I have seen it, the growth and developmenet. But the bottom line is it's truly a wonderful place, to live, to vist, or just drive through. I can only visit the beaches of south walton once a year and it never disappoints us, we love the area:wub:
One likes to visit carnivals, few wish to live in one. :biggrin:
steele mama avatar
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#133
Speaking of retiring......let's retire this thread. :biggrin:
TheSheep avatar
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#134
Gosh folks. This whole post reminded me of the seawalls wars. I do agree with the Sheepster though. We first started coming down in the 70's - having fled Destin due to over development. We stayed at the Seagrove Motel. So beautiful. Grayton Beach was wonderful. Then came Seaside and the rest of is history. We moved our vacation spots further east on 30A - thought we had carved out a spot to vacation that was still in a pristine condition - then came Rosemary Beach and whatever else is down there now. The laid-back atmosphere that made 30A so special is gone. Don't get me wrong - I would live there if I could afford it. For an older gal like me, change is hard and in my view, the change on 30A is not what I wanted to see.
Sheepster?

Down on Cape San Blas we have two subdivisions, they are St. Joe lookalikes (WaterWhatever, never can keep those names straight). We stayed in a nice house, Florida style, lot must be thirty foot wide, we were one of a few homes built in Ovation. Mrs.TheSheep started on this, "we could do this, we could live here, we could......."

TheSheep put the Mrs. into the sheep trailer and hauled her loverly butt to SoWal.

"This is your future" speaketh TheSheep.

Let's listen in as she comments!!

:welcome: :eek: :shock: :( :nono1: :nono1: :bang: :eek: :banned: :doh: :drink2: :drink2: :puke:

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TheSheep avatar
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#135
Ahhh...you may have it here! Mostly here to "flame" and practice his "prattle"??

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Or you may be hectares off.

Listen and learn, take notes.

There is a wondros psychological profile that has to do with risk assessment and the difference between what we perceive and what is real. Security is a feeling and a reality, they're not the same though.

Behavioral economics looks at human biases that are emotional, social, and cognitive and how they affect economic decisions. Following that is the psychology of decision-making which examines how we make decisions. Both look at the concept of risk with behavioral economics more in relation to economic risk, and the psychology of decision-making more generally in terms of security risks.

The savvy developer knows more about you than you do, no sheep crap.

Care to know more?
TheSheep avatar
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#136
:razz: You lucky lady. It's so refreshing to see a lady proud of her years. :roll: I went to Norcross and Chamblee.
Yes and its newest monker, Chambodia, is a shame...although well deserved.
TheSheep avatar
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#137
the sheep seems quite intent on self fluffing,
answering every post instead of a simple blanket answer.
for someone who is trying to understand the draw,
you appear to be creating quite a distance between yourself
and the rest of the community. maybe alpharetta is where you
should be seeking greener pastures.
Ask specific, receive specific.

Here is specific for you to ponder. The risk-benefit analysis of living on or nea the Gulf.

Most people are less afraid of risks if the risk also confers some benefits they want. People risk injury or death in an earthquake by living in SoWal or Los Angeles because they like those areas, or they can find work there. SoWal is not about work and for the benefits, the risk is high. The density is throttling yet sheeple still want "in."

Please explain that to a Vulcan. :idontno:
TripleB avatar
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#138
Fess up sheep...you got a thesarsus for Christmas...right?
TheSheep avatar
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#139
I, for one, like that TheSheep prefers greener pastures. If SoWal was everyone's favorite just think how crowded our pristine beaches would be. Having lived along the coast of California, Texas, three other areas in Florida and up and down the Atlantic Seaboard I know that it would not be pretty and talk about high density.:eek: No, SoWal is just fine for me. :wub: Plus we do have the BEST people. I :wub: my SoWal peeps!!!!
All the beeyotiful sheeple live in SoWal, they are the best <looking arond to make sure that everyone notices that TheSheep is one of the SoWal herd>, I love it in SoWal. Everyone os so coooooool Yeah, Us :!: :!:
TooFarTampa avatar
SoWal Insider
#140
All the beeyotiful sheeple live in SoWal, they are the best <looking arond to make sure that everyone notices that TheSheep is one of the SoWal herd>, I love it in SoWal. Everyone os so coooooool Yeah, Us :!: :!:

So to TheSheep, Best People=Beautiful People? Hmm, telling.
Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#141
Or you may be hectares off.

Listen and learn, take notes.

There is a wondros psychological profile that has to do with risk assessment and the difference between what we perceive and what is real. Security is a feeling and a reality, they're not the same though.

Behavioral economics looks at human biases that are emotional, social, and cognitive and how they affect economic decisions. Following that is the psychology of decision-making which examines how we make decisions. Both look at the concept of risk with behavioral economics more in relation to economic risk, and the psychology of decision-making more generally in terms of security risks.

The savvy developer knows more about you than you do, no sheep crap.

Care to know more?
Yes, we teach our children to avoid characterizing stereotypical behavior. It's very un-PC to establish a link between sub groups and predictive response, yet the very foundation of capitalism is to know how to zero in on predictability through formulaic marketing. Your entire day, if in public places or recognizing mass media is spent navigating a constant barrage of button pushing.
Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#142
Fess up sheep...you got a thesarsus for Christmas...right?
Easy now, or we start dusting off the rocket scientist jokes.
TripleB avatar
Beach Fanatic
#143
Easy now, or we start dusting off the rocket scientist jokes.
Well...I do live in "Rocket City" USA.
TheSheep avatar
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#144
Fess up sheep...you got a thesarsus for Christmas...right?
I thought they were extinct?:idontno:

Nope, TheSheep was the recipient of the charitable efforts of a Master English teacher for six years, grades 7-12, then off to the University of HighHeels and Sin where TheSheep found a three year roomie...an English Lit major.:blink:
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#145
We too have this lingering fear that by the time we are ready to retire, 30A may be so crowded we may not want to live there full-time! We were impressed by the fact that the area restricted building heights, and had the forsight to actually have some plans in place (unlike the Destin area). Now we must concern ourselves that the elected officials will uphold those restrictions. :idontno:

I still think we will eventually make the permanent move and be happy with it. I will be sad if things get too crowded though and the area becomes stripped of it's natural beauty. I feel very good about the community and activism within it - this is what can help SoWal remain SoWal, the wonderful place that it is.

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Rita: the thing about sowal is that folks like you move here because they really want to live here and be part of the wonderful community. it's become more family-oriented than ever, and this is a good thing. while the market is still slow, there is sure to be growth in housing, tourism and business opportunity for years to come. so, change is something we're accustomed to, and something we know and expect to happen.

many of us choose not to live on 30A - summertime is a zoo and its not for us. so, we aren't exposed to it unless we choose to get in the middle of it.

the preserved state beaches and forests are the best part of the deal on south walton, and is one of the top reasons we chose to make sowal our home. this sets south walton apart from other Florida destinations, along with building restrictions. and our community leaders and residents are all proud and protective of these ideals.

yes, sometimes it seems we are becoming a suburb of Atlanta with all the yuppies coming to town with their version of what sowal needs to be a "real town", ie, dog parks and the like. But, that's part of it too. Most folks moving in are quite educated, open-minded and bring unique experiences to the community.

while its not perfect. it's really wonderful. :wub:

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TheSheep avatar
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#146
Yes, we teach our children to avoid characterizing stereotypical behavior. It's very un-PC to establish a link between sub groups and predictive response, yet the very foundation of capitalism is to know how to zero in on predictability through formulaic marketing. Your entire day, if in public places or recognizing mass media is spent navigating a constant barrage of button pushing.
The operative word is predictive and therein lies the rub (lower, please).

Living on top of one another, high densityand paying dearly for this, would on the surface appear to be irrational. I believe this style of irrationality can be explained only psychologically.

Not much different than the fear of flying vs driving, the latter a considerably higher risk proposition. These irrationalities must be inborn and they exist for good reason.

Capitalistic governments take advantage of this aberration, look at the brutally stoopid attempts to control terrorism, the hordes of monies spent, a complete waste, great for those who deal in airport "security" technologies. :blink:

Understanding the fundamental problem, there's the fun, is that our brains are scrambled having to assess our dual systems for reacting to risk

1) a primitive intuitive, "fight or flight" system and

2) a more advanced analytic system...........

........and they're operating in quantumly.

It is this duality that TheSheep seeks to understand and inside SoWal living maybe one of the answers.
TheSheep avatar
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#147
the preserved state beaches and forests are the best part of the deal on south walton, and is one of the top reasons we chose to make sowal our home. this sets south walton apart from other Florida destinations, along with building restrictions. and our community leaders and residents are all proud and protective of these ideals.
Toots, ain't so, you can find lotsa places in FL where you have a strong commitment of environment (egads, ask the Deltonas about Marco Island circa 1970s :eek: ); Sanibel, the Panhandle coast from Cape San Blas to and around the southern turn, the latter two have no allowance for any structures over 36' feetish. If set apart means different, perhaps, but not exclusive.

And what has come of all that, btw. Sanibel is practically an estuary in which humans cohabit but their beaches are screwed with red algae drift. Now they are reporting 4-8 degree temp jumps in the Gulf, the sharks have bailed 8 weeks early, shellfish washing ashore deader than, er, shells, nope, no connection to any known tide or drift.

Your looking at a major change in the landscape effects which will certainly be felt in SoWal now that they have "reclaimed" 4,000 acres of wetlands NW of PC for an airport. Those eastern originating planes, you know everyone has to take a dump right before landing, where do you think that power flush toilet is gong to rain that stuff? :rolling:
TheSheep avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#148
So to TheSheep, Best People=Beautiful People? Hmm, telling.
Turn on your sarcasm meter, then reread. ;-)
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#149
Toots, ain't so, you can find lotsa places in FL where you have a strong commitment of environment (egads, ask the Deltonas about Marco Island circa 1970s :eek: ); Sanibel, the Panhandle coast from Cape San Blas to and around the southern turn, the latter two have no allowance for any structures over 36' feetish. If set apart means different, perhaps, but not exclusive.

And what has come of all that, btw. Sanibel is practically an estuary in which humans cohabit but their beaches are screwed with red algae drift. Now they are reporting 4-8 degree temp jumps in the Gulf, the sharks have bailed 8 weeks early, shellfish washing ashore deader than, er, shells, nope, no connection to any known tide or drift.

Your looking at a major change in the landscape effects which will certainly be felt in SoWal now that they have "reclaimed" 4,000 acres of wetlands NW of PC for an airport. Those eastern originating planes, you know everyone has to take a dump right before landing, where do you think that power flush toilet is gong to rain that stuff? :rolling:

sheepster, I have not opposed any of your well-informed viewpoints, even though I believe they are a bit skewed in the negative direction of thinking (has anyone ever accused you of being a cynic?:lol: ). all of your points have validity.

however, as a long time resident, I don't think you can say that "its not so" when I tell you the reasons many locals choose to live here and are proud of our community. I did say it isn't perfect... but, it's the most perfect place I've ever lived.

of course there many other places in Florida where environmental preservation is important. we're lucky to be in one of those places. (once again though, it ain't perfect - our county has come a long long way, but is still a tiny infant baby when it comes to overseeing development code, growth in the south end, etc.).

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TheSheep avatar
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#150
sheepster, I have not opposed any of your well-informed viewpoints, even though I believe they are a bit skewed in the negative direction of thinking (has anyone ever accused you of being a cynic?:lol: ). all of your points have validity.

however, as a long time resident, I don't think you can say that "its not so" when I tell you the reasons many locals choose to live here and are proud of our community. I did say it isn't perfect... but, it's the most perfect place I've ever lived.

of course there many other places in Florida where environmental preservation is important. we're lucky to be in one of those places. (once again though, it ain't perfect - our county has come a long long way, but is still a tiny infant baby when it comes to overseeing development code, growth in the south end, etc.).
Toots, I don't think I phrased my reply well and I certainly don't refute the facts as you have stated above re: SoWal. MOF, I embrace them and that is the curiosity, the fact that community and all the features you mention can be found in many, many places where the costs are less and the densities of people are as well.

If you were to find a place that had all the qualities you describe, everything you like about SoWal, and was both less expensive and much more private in living space, would you move? :drool:
TheSheep avatar
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#151
Newnan GA[/B]]Speaking of retiring......let's retire this thread. :biggrin:
Tell The Murph TheSheep says Hi! and that his oldest son still can't shoot a lick.

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