Can anyone help me find out the high school and college education achievements of Nelson and Wilkerson? I want to inform myself about their education backgrounds before casting my vote next week.
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167Beach Fanatic
mdd88jd:
thanks for the insight/information. I would like to see something done about the way the FCAT dominates everything--surely there is a way to improve that situation. The students, and all of us, are being shortchanged. Just read your post above. What has been/is being done by Walton County school District to get the FCAT laws changed?
Does the school system have anyone doing public information or marketing...to the parents even...I have been back in Waltion County for eight years now, and have heard little about the vocational/career center.
In fact, about the only thing that I have heard much about concerning the school system is the building of the additional schools. I do not have a child in the system; but, I do have a grandchild who just entered kindergarten this year.
Of course I am interested in the opportunities she will have; however, I am interested in the educational system in general because the students truly are the future. If they do not learn critical thinking; problem solving; research and writing schools, no matter what they do...they will suffer as will the society in which they will be the leaders.
Anyone who graduates from a vocational or career center needs the basic skills of critical thinking, problem solving and communication just as much as anyone else. And auto mechanics might need it more given how complicated repairing cars has become! LOL.
I wonder what the overall vision for the School District is as it has to do with the teaching of the students. I have done some substituting here and I was very disappointed--not with the students--but with the administration and other faculty members' attitudes toward the students and toward me as a substitute teacher. I wonder what that is about?
thanks for the insight/information. I would like to see something done about the way the FCAT dominates everything--surely there is a way to improve that situation. The students, and all of us, are being shortchanged. Just read your post above. What has been/is being done by Walton County school District to get the FCAT laws changed?
Does the school system have anyone doing public information or marketing...to the parents even...I have been back in Waltion County for eight years now, and have heard little about the vocational/career center.
In fact, about the only thing that I have heard much about concerning the school system is the building of the additional schools. I do not have a child in the system; but, I do have a grandchild who just entered kindergarten this year.
Of course I am interested in the opportunities she will have; however, I am interested in the educational system in general because the students truly are the future. If they do not learn critical thinking; problem solving; research and writing schools, no matter what they do...they will suffer as will the society in which they will be the leaders.
Anyone who graduates from a vocational or career center needs the basic skills of critical thinking, problem solving and communication just as much as anyone else. And auto mechanics might need it more given how complicated repairing cars has become! LOL.
I wonder what the overall vision for the School District is as it has to do with the teaching of the students. I have done some substituting here and I was very disappointed--not with the students--but with the administration and other faculty members' attitudes toward the students and toward me as a substitute teacher. I wonder what that is about?
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Beach Lover
Goodwitch: I need to put you in touch with the folks at the CDC (Career Development Center). They really do a wonderful job. In the interest of full disclosure, my brother is the principal there. They are trying to develop high school diploma programs that integrate academics with certain vo-tech skills. They are called "academies." They are trying to move some of those programs into the various middle and high schools. It is an interesting approach to education and one I think is the future of education.
Can't explain the teachers' and adminstrators attitudes. Most sad...
Can't explain the teachers' and adminstrators attitudes. Most sad...
Beach Fanatic
I have heard some very good comments on the Walton Career Developement Center. Hats off to Mike.
SoWal Expert
Thanks mdd. Makes sense to me. I do wonder how much the remaining 75% increased their scores in relation to the percentage of increase in the lower 25%. Are we encouraging the middle 65% of the students to improve to become B and A students? What about those gifted students? Are they not potentially the go-getters of tomorrow? People grow when placed in groups with others who want to excel, regardless if they are a student or an adult working in an automobile manufacturing plant. That also goes for teachers. Teachers will thrive when placed in schools with other teachers who get excited about teaching. Are we encouraging those good teachers we have? Are we firing those who don't perform? Most children will go only to the point of requirement. If we set the bar high enough to be achievable, and instill confidence in our students, as well as self-esteem, that bar can keep increasing for each student. Students learn in different ways.
I am not a school teacher, though I highly respect great teachers. I've been lucky enough to have some who pushed me beyond where I thought I could cruise through. They may have been tough, but even while being pushed, I held great respect for them, and certainly now, they stand out in my life. IMO, if you get the right teachers, NO kids will get over-looked as the focus will not be on the test scores of the kids in the lower 25%. When students realize that learning is fun and exciting, rather than dull and boring, all will thrive.
I am not a school teacher, though I highly respect great teachers. I've been lucky enough to have some who pushed me beyond where I thought I could cruise through. They may have been tough, but even while being pushed, I held great respect for them, and certainly now, they stand out in my life. IMO, if you get the right teachers, NO kids will get over-looked as the focus will not be on the test scores of the kids in the lower 25%. When students realize that learning is fun and exciting, rather than dull and boring, all will thrive.
Beach Lover
The improvement for the other 75% could be described as marginal at best. But, remember those are students who are making 3, 4, and 5 on the examination and they are considered "successful" so the system frankly them that way. I have a real affinity for the gifted programs. We do not spend enough of those programs or the AP programs. Part of the reason why is the size of our schools and the costs of doing so. But, I have not given up hope here. I truly believe we can do both, improve the bottom 25% but, continue to encourage and challenge the other 75%. Frankly, I feel we have not done that so much the last four years. I really want to try to attack that problem.... How do we do that, I have argued for years just what you said, teach every class like it is a honor class. Push, challenge and good things happen to ALL students. Thanks.
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Beach Fanatic
Mark:
We have had discussions on these issues in the past and I have heard your comments on many of these topics during board meetings. I have the highest respect for your service to the citizens of this county and more specifically your service to the children and grandchildren of Walton County. ( Have you switched parties yet ?)
I understand how difficult these items are to address, but feel that the first steps towards addressing them is having a public that is aware of them. I also believe that the School Board members must be the ones to lead and the citizens of Walton County must become involved in solving these issues. I wish that I could say the I believed that merely throwing more money at the problems would be the solution (I don't) , I simply think we need to priortize where we spend the money and find a way to engage parents back into the system.
Someone told me the other day " Man you sure attend alot of meetings". Caused me to think about the shere number of hours and miles spent in being an engaged citizen. I have lobbied for expenditures where I personally felt they would help and lobbied against what seemed to be wasteful.
I truly believe we can do better for our children an grandchildren. I have sat where you sit and gave it all I had for 5 years. We made some progress, but not what I had envisioned or wished for. Alot of things have changed since I served and I am sure it is even more difficult to make even the smallest change in course than when I served.
I am truly concerned about the future of our children and grandchildren. Not only are we passing down a tremendous debt to them, but we are not preparing them to compete. We must do better and I challenge you and those who sit on the School Board to become the leaders that I know you to be.
You have my utmost respect and support.
We have had discussions on these issues in the past and I have heard your comments on many of these topics during board meetings. I have the highest respect for your service to the citizens of this county and more specifically your service to the children and grandchildren of Walton County. ( Have you switched parties yet ?)
I understand how difficult these items are to address, but feel that the first steps towards addressing them is having a public that is aware of them. I also believe that the School Board members must be the ones to lead and the citizens of Walton County must become involved in solving these issues. I wish that I could say the I believed that merely throwing more money at the problems would be the solution (I don't) , I simply think we need to priortize where we spend the money and find a way to engage parents back into the system.
Someone told me the other day " Man you sure attend alot of meetings". Caused me to think about the shere number of hours and miles spent in being an engaged citizen. I have lobbied for expenditures where I personally felt they would help and lobbied against what seemed to be wasteful.
I truly believe we can do better for our children an grandchildren. I have sat where you sit and gave it all I had for 5 years. We made some progress, but not what I had envisioned or wished for. Alot of things have changed since I served and I am sure it is even more difficult to make even the smallest change in course than when I served.
I am truly concerned about the future of our children and grandchildren. Not only are we passing down a tremendous debt to them, but we are not preparing them to compete. We must do better and I challenge you and those who sit on the School Board to become the leaders that I know you to be.
You have my utmost respect and support.
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Beach Lover
Bob: Thanks for the kind words and for your constant vigilance. I will continue the good fight.
Beach Fanatic
walton county is NOT a christian community. it is a community made up of many different people of many different faiths and ethnic backgrounds. i agree that i would have to vote wilkerson over nelson based on that idiotic pinata event but we really need some fair minded people in the school board, ones that don't think that christianity or any religion needs to dominate the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM!!!!!! why is this such a difficult concept????
Beach Fanatic
Bob and Mark:
Thanks for the reasoned exchange of ideas and issues that has occured here this afternoon. We need far more discourse and the public needs "educating" on what the real issues are in the school system. FCAT is a great concept but has failed our children miserably in its execution. We need those "in the know" to share with us both the accomplishments and failures so that we all can intelligently participate in the process. Many of us are unable to attend meetings as Bob does so these types of open discussions are invaluable.
Thanks for the reasoned exchange of ideas and issues that has occured here this afternoon. We need far more discourse and the public needs "educating" on what the real issues are in the school system. FCAT is a great concept but has failed our children miserably in its execution. We need those "in the know" to share with us both the accomplishments and failures so that we all can intelligently participate in the process. Many of us are unable to attend meetings as Bob does so these types of open discussions are invaluable.
Beach Comber
Ok, I can understand if you are not Christian or are Christian and chose not to let that influence your decision. That is your given right. But, you can not be serious in thinking that some people making their decision based on their beliefs or religion is any less important than you and several other people on here making your decision based on a stupid pi?ata.
I believe Robert Nelson is by far the best choice in this election for many, many reasons that have nothing to do with religion or a certain belief system. I don't even really care if Mrs. Wilkerson would have answered them completely against my beliefs. It was (as I have stated several times) her indecisiveness on issues. I would have even respected her more if she would have chosen not to answer at all and just simply thrown the survey in the garbage.
I have gotten lots of replies to my response about this survey and Christian belief issue but I haven't seen much commenting from the same people on the millage/tax issue that has been brought up. I wonder why?
I will not comment on this survey issue anymore (to the relief of many I am sure)
because I feel I am repeating myself over and over and it isn't about the questionarre. It is about me thinking she isn't the right choice for the future of my children's education. Her indecisiveness and her lack of knowledge on important things School Board members should have a thorough understanding of, especially one that has been there for 8 years.
I believe Robert Nelson is by far the best choice in this election for many, many reasons that have nothing to do with religion or a certain belief system. I don't even really care if Mrs. Wilkerson would have answered them completely against my beliefs. It was (as I have stated several times) her indecisiveness on issues. I would have even respected her more if she would have chosen not to answer at all and just simply thrown the survey in the garbage.
I have gotten lots of replies to my response about this survey and Christian belief issue but I haven't seen much commenting from the same people on the millage/tax issue that has been brought up. I wonder why?
I will not comment on this survey issue anymore (to the relief of many I am sure)
because I feel I am repeating myself over and over and it isn't about the questionarre. It is about me thinking she isn't the right choice for the future of my children's education. Her indecisiveness and her lack of knowledge on important things School Board members should have a thorough understanding of, especially one that has been there for 8 years.Beach Lover
Thanks, mdd88jd, for your posts
Finally, information rather than inflammation! You highlighted the complexities of running a school system so well. I just wish we had generated more community-wide discussions of these issues during this election period.
Finally, information rather than inflammation! You highlighted the complexities of running a school system so well. I just wish we had generated more community-wide discussions of these issues during this election period.
Beach Fanatic
Goodwitch: I need to put you in touch with the folks at the CDC (Career Development Center). They really do a wonderful job. In the interest of full disclosure, my brother is the principal there. They are trying to develop high school diploma programs that integrate academics with certain vo-tech skills. They are called "academies." They are trying to move some of those programs into the various middle and high schools. It is an interesting approach to education and one I think is the future of education.
Can't explain the teachers' and adminstrators attitudes. Most sad...
Maybe you could get the DeFuniak Breeze-Herald to do a feature story on these academies. I think many people in Walton County would like to know about this approach....
AL--are you interested?
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Kurt:
I enjoy this community and tip my hat to you for your site and involvement in providing a place for all that choose to participate.
I agree that there are many who visit and do not participate for many reasons. The exchanges do get heated at times and when they get "over the top" I just change channels. The post count of those with oposing views has no impact on my assessment of their postings. I find some with very low post counts can be in oposition to my viewpoints as well. That is the nature of things.
"Perception is Reality" to many. A general perception of those that lean to the right of center is that we are outgunned on this site. That is improving due to many peoples encouragement to many to express their conservative viewpoints and not sit silent. It would be my hope that they do that with a high ethical standard. Some do some don't.
Anonomity of posters doesn't bother me in anyway. I simply read the post and respond or move on. It is the quality of the post that determines the value that I personally give to the poster not how many posts they have made.
Thanks for providing the resources that allow for the exchanges.
I enjoy this community and tip my hat to you for your site and involvement in providing a place for all that choose to participate.
I agree that there are many who visit and do not participate for many reasons. The exchanges do get heated at times and when they get "over the top" I just change channels. The post count of those with oposing views has no impact on my assessment of their postings. I find some with very low post counts can be in oposition to my viewpoints as well. That is the nature of things.
"Perception is Reality" to many. A general perception of those that lean to the right of center is that we are outgunned on this site. That is improving due to many peoples encouragement to many to express their conservative viewpoints and not sit silent. It would be my hope that they do that with a high ethical standard. Some do some don't.
Anonomity of posters doesn't bother me in anyway. I simply read the post and respond or move on. It is the quality of the post that determines the value that I personally give to the poster not how many posts they have made.
Thanks for providing the resources that allow for the exchanges.
Beach Lover
Ok, I can understand if you are not Christian or are Christian and chose not to let that influence your decision. That is your given right. But, you can not be serious in thinking that some people making their decision based on their beliefs or religion is any less important than you and several other people on here making your decision based on a stupid pi?ata.
From what I am reading alot of people are dropping the ball and are more worried about a pinata. Start looking at the real issues and stop playing around with our children's future.
SoWal Expert
Ok, I can understand if you are not Christian or are Christian and chose not to let that influence your decision. That is your given right. But, you can not be serious in thinking that some people making their decision based on their beliefs or religion is any less important than you and several other people on here making your decision based on a stupid pi?ata.
From what I am reading alot of people are dropping the ball and are more worried about a pinata. Start looking at the real issues and stop playing around with our children's future.
And I as I said before, the pinata is just one of many reasons why Nelson didn't get my vote. I don't think my concern (or anyone else's) about Nelson's motivations, qualifications, and judgment is "playing around with our children's futures".
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Beach Fanatic
I read in the Daily News where Mrs Wilkerson would not or did not reveal here age in their candidates Q&A.
Why would it be unavailabe?
Does she not know?
Why would it be unavailabe?
Does she not know?
SoWal Expert
This just in - Mildred didn't reveal her age because she was born in Iceland and so is ineligible for office.......................oh wait, that was a DIFFERENT stupid non-issue!!! :angry:
Beach Fanatic
Well I don't know where she was born but If a pinata can be a determining factor to some it just might be a determing factor to someone else.
Why would they ask the question if it was not revelent.
To each his own stupid issue Mr Bug
Why would they ask the question if it was not revelent.
To each his own stupid issue Mr Bug
Beach Fanatic
This just in - Mildred didn't reveal her age because she was born in Iceland and so is ineligible for office.......................oh wait, that was a DIFFERENT stupid non-issue!!! :angry:
Well I don't know where she was born but If a pinata can be a determining factor to some it just might be a determing factor to someone else.
Why would they ask the question if it was not revelent.
To each his own stupid issue Mr Bug
It's actually extremely relevant. But out of tremendous respect for Mrs. W, I'm not even about to go there. And I hope IG doesn't either.
Beach Fanatic
SN - out of respect for you I do not plan to go there at this time. Just hoping the "Pinata" has run its course. Hopefully, but it is a truly revelent issue and I can now provide the answer as to when and where and SB it was not Iceland.
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Skunky
Is Mildred as old as John McCain? Does it really matter?
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Beach Fanatic
Yes she is.
Beach Fanatic
Ooooooooh Yes !
Beach Fanatic
I really could care less how old she is, what I do care about is why she does not understand how the tax system works after eight years in the system.
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