Sleeping Giant Awakes

Wisconsin and Beyond: Worker Protests Spread to Other States by Sarah van Gelder and Brooke Jarvis

This movement makes sense to me; much more than the Tea Party movement ever has. The regular folks in the Tea Party seem to be advocating against] their own economic interests... while these folks are standing up for their way of life and the principles that have made the American middle class...teachers, firefighters, the police force and the emergency responders...the heart and soul of our communities.

It's the two theory law:

1. Bailout/Taxbreak for the corporate/wealthy is the you scratch my back I'll scratch yours theory.

2. Middle class/bear the burden is the slave theory.


THE ONLY GOOD DEAL IS ONE IN WHICH BOTH PARTIES BENEFIT EQUALLY.
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Can you imagine the extensive lobbying and uproar of adding equality of the financial classes to this amendment?

Wisconsin and Beyond: Worker Protests Spread to Other States by Sarah van Gelder and Brooke Jarvis

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"From Indiana to Ohio and Tennessee to Texas, workers are demanding to know why corporations and the wealthy get bailouts and tax breaks while teachers and steel workers bear the burdens of budget crises they didn?t cause. "

This movement makes sense to me; much more than the Tea Party movement ever has. The regular folks in the Tea Party seem to be advocating against their own economic interests... while these folks are standing up for their way of life and the principles that have made the American middle class...teachers, firefighters, the police force and the emergency responders...the heart and soul of our communities.

Tea Partiers don't support bailouts for corporations, the wealthy, or the unions. The liberals in Wisconsin are "standing up for their way of life" which to me equals a "me first" attitude. Tea partiers are putting the country and their kid's futures first, not themselves. Which group is being more selfish here?

Tea Partiers don't support bailouts for corporations, the wealthy, or the unions. The liberals in Wisconsin are "standing up for their way of life" which to me equals a "me first" attitude. Tea partiers are putting the country and their kids future's first, not themselves. Which group is being more selfish here?

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Plus, let's not forget who bailed out the big corporations and banks back in 2009 - Nanci, Harry, and Barack. The Tea Party was against those bailouts too.

Tea Partiers don't support bailouts for corporations, the wealthy, or the unions. The liberals in Wisconsin are "standing up for their way of life" which to me equals a "me first" attitude. Tea partiers are putting the country and their kid's futures first, not themselves. Which group is being more selfish here?

You must be kidding...you forgot your 😀 or your :sarc:

You must be kidding...you forgot your 😀 or your :sarc:

No I'm not. You seemed to imply that the Tea Party was somehow on the other side of this, fighting for higher corporate profits and corporate bailouts. I don't know where you got that idea. Really these two groups are on the same side when it comes bailouts. They just differ on how to deal with state budget issues. The unions want higher taxes and higher government debt, Tea Partiers wan't budget cuts. I don't think the Tea Party really cares where the cuts happen either.

Really, the Tea Party was born during 2008 and 2009 during the federal bailouts. Those were primarily implemeted by democrats! But you guys think the Tea Party is the bad guy for suggesting we not bailout corporations and we try to live within our means?

What percentage of the middle class are members of a union?

Really, the Tea Party was born during 2008 and 2009 during the federal bailouts. Those were primarily implemeted by democrats! But you guys think the Tea Party is the bad guy for suggesting we not bailout corporations and we try to live within our means?

Not true. The bailouts began under President Bush in 2008.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

What percentage of the middle class are members of a union?

The latest figure from the Burea of Labor Statistics is that 11.9% of the American workforce belong to a union. It has been steadily dropping for the last few years. Most of these union members would be considered middle class. This hardly constitutes a sleeping giant.

The latest figure from the Burea of Labor Statistics is that 11.9% of the American workforce belong to a union. It has been steadily dropping for the last few years. Most of these union members would be considered middle class. This hardly constitutes a sleeping giant.

AndyA the way I read the article, it's not that the union is the "sleeping giant"...it's that the situation focused on the people's right to bargain, has brought attention to what is really going on...and all kinds of people, union members or not, are awakened to the inequities.

Following Thursday's passage of the Wisconsin bill, hundreds of students in Madison?s middle and high schools walked out to join those demonstrating at the capitol. Then, in the largest protest since the bill was proposed, an estimated 100,000 people filled the streets and squares around the state capitol on Saturday. The Family Farm Defenders and the Wisconsin Farmers Union joined the protests, bringing more than 50 tractors with them.

?This is the beginning of phase two,? Fred Risser, one of the 14 Democratic senators, told the crowd.

He was referring to a rapidly growing campaign to recall eight GOP senators who supported the bill; the Wisconsin Democratic Party reported yesterday that over 45 percent of the necessary signatures have already been collected.

Not true. The bailouts began under President Bush in 2008.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

And you're entitled to spin his post any way you want while ignoring the fact that most of what he says is true. I attended the 1st Tea Party rally in Walton county in the summer of 2008 at the South Walton County Court House Annex. Their complaints, goals and concerns then were the same as they are today and one of those complaints were the wasteful spending of tax dollars by any means and by anyone, be they Republican, Democrat or Independent. These are facts, Buz, but since you weren't there to the best of my knowlege, you are welcome to ignore them and, as you so often do, consider the source because it doesn't agree with you.

What percentage of the middle class identify themselves as a conservative?

Buz, the bailouts in 2008 were passed by a democrat lead congress! Hello! Nanci Pelosi and Harry Reid. I rememeber the TARP vote, there's a thread on here from back then where all the tea partiers were gunning for it to fail (including myself.)

AndyA the way I read the article, it's not that the union is the "sleeping giant"...it's that the situation focused on the people's right to bargain, has brought attention to what is really going on...and all kinds of people, union members or not, are awakened to the inequities.

I am sorry to have to disagree but I do not see the right to have a job and NOT pay dues that can be spent in a manner with which I do not approve, as inequities to employment. (Now, the 4 members here and the 29 present can read this while the 151 guest meander elswhere.)

What percentage of the middle class identify themselves as a conservative?

Some old stats from 2004:

<20K : 19 - 43
20K-30K : 26 - 37
30K-50K : 29 - 34
50K-75K : 34 - 31
75K+ : 37 - 27

30K - 75K, it's an even split.

Commentaries for 2011 - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

Buz, the bailouts in 2008 were passed by a democrat lead congress!)

Civics Lesson: President Bush could have vetoed the legislation but he didn't because it was his idea. A bill does not become law until the President signs it.

Saying Bush opposed the bailouts is not true.

Plus you get a demerit for poor grammar

Democrat - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Democrat is noun, democratic is an adjective.

I am sorry to have to disagree but I do not see the right to have a job and NOT pay dues that can be spent in a manner with which I do not approve, as inequities to employment. (Now, the 4 members here and the 29 present can read this while the 151 guest meander elswhere.)

AndyA it's okay if you disagree. It does not bother me that you disagree with my point of view, I disagree with some of yours too. We can have a discussion without agreeing, I think. Perhaps, you are reading the article too narrowly, though.

The inequities are not just about employment...the issue of the unions and collective bargaining has awakened many people to the thought that" if this can happen to the unions, then what else can happen?"...the big picture and the overall goal of the Republican governor is what has people in Wisconsin up in arms. ( especially when the Koch Brothers and GPS Crossroads are factored into the equation).

The union issue is just the spark that awakened "the giant" (the people in general).