Stop illegally placed campaign signs!

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  1. wrobert

    wrobert Beach Fanatic

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    If they were on private property these types of ordinances have been repeatedly found unconstitutional. If they were on public property they were illegally placed to begin with.
     
  2. wrobert

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    All you have to do is restrict the materials used for all signs and make the costs about the same.
     
  3. Beachy

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    I am a Law enforcment officer in Walton County and what you are telling the fine citizens of this county is to commit THEFT. Here is the Florida statute.

    812.014 Theft.--
    (1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or to use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently:
    (a) Deprive the other person of a right to the property or a benefit from the property.
    (b) Appropriate the property to his or her own use or to the use of any person not entitled to the use of the property.

    I agree that there are ordinances concerning this matter but a private citizan cannot legally take these signs. This is the road department and code enforcements job. In short the signs are not yours. Didnt your mother teach you not to steal. Shame Shame.
     
  4. Smiling JOe

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    Beachy, if the signs are on the right of way, they are nothing more than litter, in my opinion, and I have collected and disposed of much litter from the right of ways in Walton County. What distinguishes illegally placed signs from litter? Also, if those signs are knocked down, are they viewed differently than if they are erect on public right of way? I hope local law and Code Enforcement will be doing their jobs, so that I don't have to volunteer to pick up litter.
     
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    Have WCSO deputies been instructed to enforce 812.014 specifically in regards to citizen removal of campaign signs? I do agree that removal is a road department job.
     
  6. Smiling JOe

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    If the "benefit" of the sign to the politician and owner is to advertise, and Code Enforcement takes the sign, are they, too committing theft, since they are depriving the owner the benefit? If it applies to the general public, it should apply to all, including law enforcement. Personally, I am 100% for law enforcement and code enforcement doing their job of confiscating the signs, and fining the politicians the maximum amount per sign for charges of littering. County Commissioners already complain about Code Enforcement not taking a proactive stand on enforcing County Codes, so I hope they will ride their butts on this issue too. Oh, wait, the County Commissioners and Sheriff are politicians.
     
  7. Matt J

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    Hey Beachy, since you're a LEO (I'd hope you not just saying that, cause that's against the law). Could you also post any laws regarding abandoned property?
     
  8. Smiling JOe

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    According to the new sign I saw at a public access to the beach, all items left on the beach overnight will be remove. No Exceptions. I see the right of way not much different than the beach. The TDC even has a campaign, "remove it or lose it." Surely, that applies to the various illegally posted signs all over Walton County. With all the signs I see posted on the right of way, on a daily basis, I'd say Code Enforcement needs to get in the practice of removing the signs. Commissioners say they are tired of getting the complaints, and they want Code Enforcement to take an active roll in enforcing the removal of such signs. Looks like they aren't taking the hint. I'm still wondering what all of those shiny Code Enforcement F-150s are doing sitting still behind the CE Office.
     
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    One other question for Law Enforcement. When the County mowers run over the signs and shred them to pieces, is that against the law, too? Or, do they need to get off the tractor, move the signs over, mow, then replace the signs into their original position? Or, do the politicians request that the right of ways not be mowed during election season. The smart littering candidates place their illegal signs adjacent to permanent DOT signs, so that they don't get ran over by the mowers.
     
  10. Matt J

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    I'm still waiting on Beachy to respond. Guess he/she is busy staking out signs to catch people removing litter. :roll:
     
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    Maybe, but Beachy missed more than three, nailed to the trees on 283.
     
  12. WileCoyote

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    Had a Sheriff's deputy pass me the other day with 2 signs in my hands walking back to the vehicle. I waved and he waved back.

    3280 is clean as a pin, 331 from 3280 to 331 is clean and 20 from 79 to 3280 is clean.

    Will look at 283 tomorrow.
     
  13. Smiling JOe

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    bring a ladder and a claw hammer.
     
  14. WileCoyote

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    A expandable tree pruner works well. Gives you quite a reach and collapses to a small size.

    Are the signs on 283 current or a prior campaign like the one on 395 ?
     
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    Where in Florida Statute does it give more rights to the road department or code enforcement officers than it does to ordinary citizens? If a person throws a can out on the road and I go and pick it up, that is theft? Maybe that person intended to return and get that can.

    I guess the TDC is committing massive amounts of theft on a daily basis then.
     
  16. Smiling JOe

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    Wear eye protection if you are going to do that. I hope their sign doesn't bop you on the head. You may have a good case for a lawsuit.

    Sorry, those signs I mention are not campaign signs. They are business signs, but I just lump them all together. They are all litter.
     
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    With the proliferation of various type signs, there is a greater and greater tendency to move them closer to the road so they will stand out from the clutter. I saw a new one this morning on 30-a advertising a house rental that was right up against the roadway. Where are our code enforcement, etc. when they see this type of thing. It's not only illegal but unsafe if someone isn't watching and swerves off the road.
    We need another coordinated effort against this like with the BBS's
     
  18. wrobert

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    Call 622-0000 and complain.
     
  19. Andy A

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    Re: Stop The Bloom !

    Hmm - How about Supt. of Education ?

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    Which shouldn't be an elected position in the first place. The superintendent should be hired by the school board for a more efficient operation of the school system.
     
  20. wrobert

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    Re: Stop The Bloom !

    Which shouldn't be an elected position in the first place. The superintendent should be hired by the school board for a more efficient operation of the school system.[/quote]

    I could go along with that. Would certainly change the whole dynamic.
     

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