Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars
By Dugald McConnell, CNN
August 27, 2010 3:07 a.m. EDT (CNN) -- Law enforcement officers may secretly place a GPS device on a person's car without seeking a warrant from a judge, according to a recent federal appeals court ruling in California.
Drug Enforcement Administration agents in Oregon in 2007 surreptitiously attached a GPS to the silver Jeep owned by Juan Pineda-Moreno, whom they suspected of growing marijuana, according to court papers.
When Pineda-Moreno was arrested and charged, one piece of evidence was the GPS data, including the longitude and latitude of where the Jeep was driven, and how long it stayed. Prosecutors asserted the Jeep had been driven several times to remote rural locations where agents discovered marijuana being grown, court documents show...... "we just wanted to see what you were doing yesterday"
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Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars
By Dugald McConnell, CNN
August 27, 2010 3:07 a.m. EDT (CNN) -- Law enforcement officers may secretly place a GPS device on a person's car without seeking a warrant from a judge, according to a recent federal appeals court ruling in California.
Drug Enforcement Administration agents in Oregon in 2007 surreptitiously attached a GPS to the silver Jeep owned by Juan Pineda-Moreno, whom they suspected of growing marijuana, according to court papers.
When Pineda-Moreno was arrested and charged, one piece of evidence was the GPS data, including the longitude and latitude of where the Jeep was driven, and how long it stayed. Prosecutors asserted the Jeep had been driven several times to remote rural locations where agents discovered marijuana being grown, court documents show...... "we just wanted to see what you were doing yesterday"
What judge in their right mind would endorse such a blantant disregard of the Constitution? This is an outrage to a free people. If they can do it to drug dealers today they can do it to you tomorrow if you get sideways with the government.
Beach Fanatic
Maybe we need to add the citizen's GPS devices to all police and government cars, so that we can see where they are.
SoWal Insider
Some are saying it is class separation as well, because the ruling hinged on whether or not the vehicle was behind gated property. If one cannot afford to have gated property, then one could be tracked.
Beach Fanatic
I doubt that will matter. The report suggested that people shouldn't expect to have privacy in their driveway. If there is a gate, the cops would only need to attach the GPS while the vehicle is parked at a public location, like the parking lot of the grocery store, or maybe while at the court house while buying their tags.
Beach Fanatic
The very idea of the police tracking citizens without a warrant is an abomination and clearly a violation of the 4th Amendment. This is what happens when you disregard what it says. If the government can ignor one part of the Constitution then they can ignor all of it.
SoWal Insider
The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the appeal twice -- in January of this year by a three-judge panel, and then again by the full court earlier this month. The judges who affirmed Pineda-Moreno's conviction did so without comment.
This makes no sense to me. Maybe there are some circumstances that surround this we are not aware of.
Beach Fanatic
Regardless, the precedent has been set now.
Beach Lover
Hello,
Do you have a cell phone? They are tracking.....
Do you have a cell phone? They are tracking.....
SoWal Expert
I would be more upset about this if I didn't think (based on tv shows) that law enforcement can already access your cell phone GPS, car's GPS, auto toll road tracker, monitoring bracelet, metro card, credit cards, etc. to get your location.
Why did they need to ADD a GPS tracker? Didn't the car already have one? What do you think On Star is?
Wholeheartedly support GPS tracking on any "government supplied car" to make sure it is only being used for official use! I have some serious concerns about what the cars and gas my taxes pay for are being used for.
But I think they should still need a judge to sign off on it. I bet I technically "visit" some meth labs and pot operations when I am shopping for real estate and garage sales.
Why did they need to ADD a GPS tracker? Didn't the car already have one? What do you think On Star is?
Wholeheartedly support GPS tracking on any "government supplied car" to make sure it is only being used for official use! I have some serious concerns about what the cars and gas my taxes pay for are being used for.
But I think they should still need a judge to sign off on it. I bet I technically "visit" some meth labs and pot operations when I am shopping for real estate and garage sales.
Beach Fanatic
Hello,
Do you have a cell phone? They are tracking.....
Very few people realize what a detailed record of your life that your cell phone provides.
In addition to call records and texts your location is available too.
Even if you aren't making calls, your location can be accurately tracked using triangulation from cell sites.
I would be surprised if law enforcement agencies get a warrant every time they track cell phone location.
Beach Fanatic
If you are running from the cops:
1) pull the sim card from your phone and throw it away, or delete all the stored info and duct tape it to the bottom of a police car.
2) max out the cash from your credit/debit cards and throw them away so that you don't use them.
3) get a bicycle
4) change your hairstyle. Go for a complete makeover.
5) quit your job
6) move to another city, much different from your current city.
1) pull the sim card from your phone and throw it away, or delete all the stored info and duct tape it to the bottom of a police car.
2) max out the cash from your credit/debit cards and throw them away so that you don't use them.
3) get a bicycle
4) change your hairstyle. Go for a complete makeover.
5) quit your job
6) move to another city, much different from your current city.
SoWal Insider
:lol: Thanks Koa.
Beach Fanatic
just because the government can illegally track you by other methods, doesn't mean that they should be able to illegally track you by this method.
Google voice will be the next big wave, and when your voice mails are converted into text, they will be easy for government computers to search through all your calls in one easy location. Google scares me with the potential to know our every moment.
Google voice will be the next big wave, and when your voice mails are converted into text, they will be easy for government computers to search through all your calls in one easy location. Google scares me with the potential to know our every moment.
Beach Fanatic
If you are running from the cops:You'd make one hellava crook, Koa. You aren't one, are you?😀
1) pull the sim card from your phone and throw it away, or delete all the stored info and duct tape it to the bottom of a police car.
2) max out the cash from your credit/debit cards and throw them away so that you don't use them.
3) get a bicycle
4) change your hairstyle. Go for a complete makeover.
5) quit your job
6) move to another city, much different from your current city.
Beach Fanatic
If you are running from the cops:
1) pull the sim card from your phone and throw it away, or delete all the stored info and duct tape it to the bottom of a police car.
2) max out the cash from your credit/debit cards and throw them away so that you don't use them.
3) get a bicycle
4) change your hairstyle. Go for a complete makeover.
5) quit your job
6) move to another city, much different from your current city.
7) Have a couple of spare IDs (or at least a couple of birth certificates for dead people who match your sex, race, approximate age, etc...) You'll eventually want to settle down and start a new life and you'll need a new identity.
Beach Fanatic
No, Andy. I just watch a lot of TV and saw several good movies staring Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise.
8) in case you forgot to do #7, know some illegal Mexicans or college fraternity guys that can make you some fake IDs.
8) in case you forgot to do #7, know some illegal Mexicans or college fraternity guys that can make you some fake IDs.
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