Surfrider Member meeting

We try to protect beaches so they remain open to the public and people do not try to turn them into private beaches. You have this entirely backwards. Again you are reading something that is not there. It is a 501 c(3), incorporated out of CA. Do not have the IRS number with me at this time. It is at my office. If you really need it feel free to call in am and I will gladly give it to you (850-865-7798).

In nearly every state, some portion of the beach is public land, which means that all members of the public have the right to use that portion of the beach. Because much of the land between where people can park and where they can enjoy the beach is privately owned, their ability to enjoy beaches often depends on the quality and availability of access between roads and parking lots and the beach. It is simply not equitable for only some people to have access to the ocean and beaches, which are public resources.

Sorry Bobby, but I don't understand the first sentence in this post.

Please send the IRS identification number through this thread; thanks.

Does the last paragraph have anything to do with BMB, or are you talking state and/or nationwide?

I have not walked BMB in about 3 weeks due to knee injury. I surf BMB often. The last time I surfed BMB before a trip to California there was a great deal of construction debris in the water 10/18/2006. Please understand I feel our beaches are some of the best I have ever seen in the world! With that said they are nothing like when I was a kid. Our territory covers from PC to Pensacola so it is hard for me to send you to one spot. BMB is one of the better spots as far as trash goes. If you would like to take a bag to the Crab trap in Destin or Gratyon beach after the next big weekend we would all appreciate it. I guess what puzzles me most is why you are bothered by folks just trying to help out the community.
Another needed place would be the north, west side of 331 bridge. You see it is a big territory so we could really use your help!

Bobby, I'm not concerned by folks just trying to help out the community. I am concerned about a group whose stated goals go against the private ownership and private use of legally owned property. The article in question with those statements was not an opinion or editorial piece. The way I read it, it was an article written by a reporter announcing your meeting and the goals of your organization. If the reporter is incorrect in the statements in the article, I guess you'll have to get that corrected.

Bobby, I'm not concerned by folks just trying to help out the community. I am concerned about a group whose stated goals go against the private ownership and private use of legally owned property. The article in question with those statements was not an opinion or editorial piece. The way I read it, it was an article written by a reporter announcing your meeting and the goals of your organization. If the reporter is incorrect in the statements in the article, I guess you'll have to get that corrected.

So if the property owners who erected the seawalls and geotubes on public property do not know where their property ends, how is the general public to know?

Sorry Bobby, but I don't understand the first sentence in this post.

Please send the IRS identification number through this thread; thanks.

Does the last paragraph have anything to do with BMB, or are you talking state and/or nationwide?

Nationwide. If you do not understand the first paragraph read the second one. Newspapers mis quote all the time. I have been so misquoted over the years it amazes me someone has not tried to kill me. If you go to the web site as I have stated the mission statemnet is clearly spelled out. I am not concerned about a possible mis print from the paper. Not to mention all we are trying to do is "protect" beach access. If that means working to prevent the "privatization" of public beach property so be it. It is not someone trying to control someone elses rights but someone trying to prevent rights being taken from them.

Bobby, I'm not concerned by folks just trying to help out the community. I am concerned about a group whose stated goals go against the private ownership and private use of legally owned property. The article in question with those statements was not an opinion or editorial piece. The way I read it, it was an article written by a reporter announcing your meeting and the goals of your organization. If the reporter is incorrect in the statements in the article, I guess you'll have to get that corrected.

Please explain what you are getting at here. I am not picking up on that being Surfriders Goal. Have you been to the site???? Looking over the Mission and Principles I am not getting that.


MISSION & PRINCIPLES Mission Statement

The Surfrider Foundation is a non-profit environmental organization dedicated to the protection and enjoyment of the world's oceans, waves and beaches for all people, through conservation, activism, research and education.


Surfrider Foundation Principles
Represented by over 50,000 members and 60 local chapters in the U.S., the Surfrider Foundation also has affiliations in Australia, Japan, France, and Brazil. The Surfrider Foundation has adopted the following principles to guide and govern the activities of the organization .
1. SURFRIDER recognizes the biodiversity and ecological integrity of the planet's coasts are necessary and irreplaceable. SURFRIDER is committed to preserving natural living and non-living diversity and ecological integrity of the coastal environment.
2. SURFRIDER promotes the right of low-impact, free and open access to the world's waves and beaches for all people. SURFRIDER acts to preserve this right of access.
3. SURFRIDER is dedicated to enhancing wave-riding opportunities in ways which will not adversely impact nearshore ecosystems.
4. SURFRIDER believes environmental education is essential to the future health and well- being of the planet. SURFRIDER seeks to develop and utilize educational materials that are informative, factual, proactive, synergistic and fun.
5. SURFRIDER strives to be accurate and nonpartisan in its communications with its members and the general public. In addition, SURFRIDER will express the unique values inherent in wave-riding — individualism, camaraderie, non materialism, and an appreciation for human kind's historic relations with the Ocean.
6. SURFRIDER is a grassroots organization, effective through the participation of its members. SURFRIDER activities emphasize the value of an involved membership.
7. SURFRIDER encourages all commercial enterprises to adopt the Ceres Principles . Their determination to do so will favorably influence SURFRIDER's willingness to provide support. SURFRIDER will not permit sponsors to divert the Foundation from its mission or projects undertaken. 8. SURFRIDER does not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, sex, or national origin for any reason. SURFRIDER promotes the healthy enjoyment of the coastal environment for all people. 9. SURFRIDER and its representatives, affiliations and chapters agree to abide by these principles and all rules and regulations governing non-profit organizations.

bobby, can you please explain surfrider's position again?

bobby, can you please explain surfrider's position again?

Just trying to avoid this:
A sign misidentifies the area in front of the Vizcaya gated community in Dune Allen Beach as private property. Homeowners of the community encroached as much as 44 feet onto county property to install a beach armament last year. (Gabriel Tynes/The Sun)

So if the property owners who erected the seawalls and geotubes on public property do not know where their property ends, how is the general public to know?

SJ...what makes you think they didn't know where their property lines were? Isn't that what we have surveryors for? I saw surveyors staking out the private property boundaries all up and down BMB.

Didn't you see the surveyor flags up on the beach when you walked it?

I don't think any Gulf front owner can state they did not know where their boundaries were. All they had to do was get a surveyor to stake it out.

Please explain what you are getting at here. I am not picking up on that being Surfriders Goal. Have you been to the site???? Looking over the Mission and Principles I am not getting that.


MISSION & PRINCIPLES Mission Statement

The Surfrider Foundation is a non-profit environmental organization dedicated to the protection and enjoyment of the world's oceans, waves and beaches for all people, through conservation, activism, research and education.


Surfrider Foundation Principles
Represented by over 50,000 members and 60 local chapters in the U.S., the Surfrider Foundation also has affiliations in Australia, Japan, France, and Brazil. The Surfrider Foundation has adopted the following principles to guide and govern the activities of the organization .
1. SURFRIDER recognizes the biodiversity and ecological integrity of the planet's coasts are necessary and irreplaceable. SURFRIDER is committed to preserving natural living and non-living diversity and ecological integrity of the coastal environment.
2. SURFRIDER promotes the right of low-impact, free and open access to the world's waves and beaches for all people. SURFRIDER acts to preserve this right of access.
3. SURFRIDER is dedicated to enhancing wave-riding opportunities in ways which will not adversely impact nearshore ecosystems.
4. SURFRIDER believes environmental education is essential to the future health and well- being of the planet. SURFRIDER seeks to develop and utilize educational materials that are informative, factual, proactive, synergistic and fun.
5. SURFRIDER strives to be accurate and nonpartisan in its communications with its members and the general public. In addition, SURFRIDER will express the unique values inherent in wave-riding ? individualism, camaraderie, non materialism, and an appreciation for human kind's historic relations with the Ocean.
6. SURFRIDER is a grassroots organization, effective through the participation of its members. SURFRIDER activities emphasize the value of an involved membership.
7. SURFRIDER encourages all commercial enterprises to adopt the Ceres Principles . Their determination to do so will favorably influence SURFRIDER's willingness to provide support. SURFRIDER will not permit sponsors to divert the Foundation from its mission or projects undertaken. 8. SURFRIDER does not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, sex, or national origin for any reason. SURFRIDER promotes the healthy enjoyment of the coastal environment for all people. 9. SURFRIDER and its representatives, affiliations and chapters agree to abide by these principles and all rules and regulations governing non-profit organizations.

Bobby...what does the bolded sentence in item 2 mean? Are you talking about public property or private property?

SJ...what makes you think they didn't know where their property lines were? Isn't that what we have surveryors for? I saw surveyors staking out the private property boundaries all up and down BMB.

Didn't you see the surveyor flags up on the beach when you walked it?

I don't think any Gulf front owner can state they did not know where their boundaries were. All they had to do was get a surveyor to stake it out.

I don't think that the 40+ owners who encroached onto public property had surveys completed prior to the installation of the seawalls and geotubes. That is what I was yelling about. I know that the group of five homeowners on Montgomery St are claiming that they didn't know.

By the way, I am against the gov't taking private property, as they did in the case of some property which I own. (I still own it, but there is now a 60' wide right of way with a paved road taking up 1/3 of it now.

Back to my question, how is a beachgoer to know where he can stop to rest on the beach, since only some of the beachfront owners acutally own to the mean high water mark?

The above statement was in the SoWalSally post...works to prevent beach privatization sounds like someone trying to control the use of either the beach itself or the property rights of a beach property owner to me.

Sounds like you are getting creative with the definition for the word, "prevent." Maybe you should go look up the word in the dictionary prior to assuming up an incorrect definition. The article doesn't state, "works to sieze privately owned beachfront property to convert it to public property." The nature of the definition looks forward, not reversing something which has already happened. ;-)

Will someone please give bmbwalker a chill pill before his head pops off his shoulders?

Will someone please give bmbwalker a chill pill before his head pops off his shoulders?

Send your Ho Ho Ho's over to him.

Will someone please give bmbwalker a chill pill before his head pops off his shoulders?

No thanks, I don't do drugs.

Bobby...what does the bolded sentence in item 2 mean? Are you talking about public property or private property?

I am talking about public property in general. If you want to know what the bolded sentence means please read it. Let me make this very simple BMB. Surfrider tries to protect the very thing you love to do at BMB every day. If you read something into that I am sorry. I suggest if you would do a little research you would discover this is a very straight forward group trying save one of our greatest resources. It may be perfect in your eyes at BMB but our issues are much greater then one spot. I do not want to bicker with you over a group that is trying to do a volunteer service. If you have other issues with me please disclose. I am baffled.

I don't think that the 40+ owners who encroached onto public property had surveys completed prior to the installation of the seawalls and geotubes. That is what I was yelling about. I know that the group of five homeowners on Montgomery St are claiming that they didn't know.

By the way, I am against the gov't taking private property, as they did in the case of some property which I own. (I still own it, but there is now a 60' wide right of way with a paved road taking up 1/3 of it now.

Back to my question, how is a beachgoer to know where he can stop to rest on the beach, since only some of the beachfront owners acutally own to the mean high water mark?


Sounds like you are getting creative with the definition for the word, "prevent." Maybe you should go look up the word in the dictionary prior to assuming up an incorrect definition. The article doesn't state, "works to sieze privately owned beachfront property to convert it to public property." The nature of the definition looks forward, not reversing something which has already happened. ;-)

SJ...how could five families who have owned their property for 20 to 30 years not know where their property boundaries are? I believe their position was that the county had not taken care of the dunes and allowed the erosion created by Ivan to go unattended; therefore, when Dennis came through and took 20 feet more of the dunes, their private property was in jeporady of destruction. I don't know how this will be resolved, but it will be.

I'm sorry to hear you lost property to the government. How did this happen?

Back to your question, I don't have an answer at this point in time. Since these issues seem to be coming to a head, I'm sure they will be resolved legally and we'll go from there. I don't understand your use of the word "some" in this paragraph. Don't all beachfront private property owners own to the mean high water mark?

Creative use of "prevent"? Make you own selection:

1 archaic a : to be in readiness for (as an occasion) b : to meet or satisfy in advance c : to act ahead of d : to go or arrive before
2 : to deprive of power or hope of acting or succeeding
3 : to keep from happening or existing <steps to prevent war>
4 : to hold or keep back : [SIZE=-1]HINDER[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]STOP[/SIZE] -- often used with from

Appears my etymological use of the word was correct. Your suggestion that I consult a dictionary could be seen to be condescending and patronizing. Did you mean for it to be interpreted that way?

No thanks, I don't do drugs.

Pity

SJ...how could five families who have owned their property for 20 to 30 years not know where their property boundaries are? I believe their position was that the county had not taken care of the dunes and allowed the erosion created by Ivan to go unattended; therefore, when Dennis came through and took 20 feet more of the dunes, their private property was in jeporady of destruction. I don't know how this will be resolved, but it will be.

I'm sorry to hear you lost property to the government. How did this happen?

Back to your question, I don't have an answer at this point in time. Since these issues seem to be coming to a head, I'm sure they will be resolved legally and we'll go from there. I don't understand your use of the word "some" in this paragraph. Don't all beachfront private property owners own to the mean high water mark?

Creative use of "prevent"? Make you own selection:

1 archaic a : to be in readiness for (as an occasion) b : to meet or satisfy in advance c : to act ahead of d : to go or arrive before
2 : to deprive of power or hope of acting or succeeding
3 : to keep from happening or existing <steps to prevent war>
4 : to hold or keep back : [SIZE=-1]HINDER[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]STOP[/SIZE] -- often used with from

Appears my etymological use of the word was correct. Your suggestion that I consult a dictionary could be seen to be condescending and patronizing. Did you mean for it to be interpreted that way?

...and the words "hinder" and "stop" do not mean change that which already exists. The prefix of the word, "pre," indicates Earlier; before; prior to, as in, prevent - stop in advance.

I think you are making a big issue out of a non-issue.

To answer your question about the word, "some," I mean it exactly like 99.9% of the population proabably understand it -- not all, but a partial of the total. No, not all Beach-front property owners own to the mean high water mark. Only some do. Look no further than the group of five homeowners on Montgomery St. ;-)

I am talking about public property in general. If you want to know what the bolded sentence means please read it. Let me make this very simple BMB. Surfrider tries to protect the very thing you love to do at BMB every day. If you read something into that I am sorry. I suggest if you would do a little research you would discover this is a very straight forward group trying save one of our greatest resources. It may be perfect in your eyes at BMB but our issues are much greater then one spot. I do not want to bicker with you over a group that is trying to do a volunteer service. If you have other issues with me please disclose. I am baffled.

Bobby..I have no issues with you; my issue is the stated goals of your organization. I can seperate the two.

You say you are talking about "public property in general". Your organization does not say that. See below:

2. SURFRIDER promotes the right of low-impact, free and open access to the world's waves and beaches for all people. SURFRIDER acts to preserve this right of access.

Bobby, words have meaning!

BTW, what is your position on the Redfish Village high-impact usage of the beach at 260 Blue Mountain Road? Does your organization support the proposed use by Redfish Village? Do you personally support it?

I don't.

Pity

I've been told that before!!!!

Bobby..I have no issues with you; my issue is the stated goals of your organization. I can seperate the two.

You say you are talking about "public property in general". Your organization does not say that. See below:

2. SURFRIDER promotes the right of low-impact, free and open access to the world's waves and beaches for all people. SURFRIDER acts to preserve this right of access.

Bobby, words have meaning!

BTW, what is your position on the Redfish Village high-impact usage of the beach at 260 Blue Mountain Road? Does your organization support the proposed use by Redfish Village? Do you personally support it?

I don't.

I haven't researched Surfrider too much, but "open access" does not mean the ability to tresspass on private property owners land to enter the beach. Access, refers to a point of entry. Again, you are being rather stubborn and come off rather hard headed.

...and the words "hinder" and "stop" do not mean change that which already exists. The prefix of the word, "pre," indicates Earlier; before; prior to, as in, prevent - stop in advance.

I think you are making a big issue out of a non-issue.

To answer your question about the word, "some," I mean it exactly like 99.9% of the population proabably understand it -- not all, but a partial of the total. No, not all Beach-front property owners own to the mean high water mark. Only some do. Look no further than the group of five homeowners on Montgomery St. ;-)

Please give me a specific example. The Montgomery St. folks do not fit your position.

I've been told that before!!!!

...:clap_1:

I haven't researched Surfrider too much, but "open access" does not mean the ability to tresspass on private property owners land to enter the beach. Access, refers to a point of entry. Again, you are being rather stubborn and come off rather hard headed.

I've always heard that when you have to call people names in a discussion, you have lost the discussion.

Please give me a specific example. The Montgomery St. folks do not fit your position.

According to two of the five homeonwers on Montgomery St, they do not own the stretch of property located between the Gulf and the five homeonwers on Montgomery St. There was question of County abandonment of that property, but they are not claiming that property to belong to them. Didn't you go to that meeting?