I was raised Catholic now consider myself a recovering catholic. I have always considered myself informed about catholicism so this story came as a shock to me because I never heard of this practice. Check it out-
Book: Pope John Paul II self-flagellated to get closer to Jesus
Pope John Paul II used to beat himself with a belt and sleep naked on the floor to bring himself closer to Christ, a book published Wednesday says.
The late pope had a particular belt for self-flagellation and brought it with him to his summer residence, according to the book, "Why he is a Saint: The True story of John Paul II."
"As some members of his own entourage were able to hear with their own ears, both in Poland and in the Vatican, Karol Wojtyla flagellated himself," the book says, using the name the pope was given at birth.
"In the closet, among the cloaks, a particular pant-belt hung from a hook, which he utilized as a whip and one which he always had brought to Castel Gandolfo," the book says.
The book was written by a Vatican insider, Slawomir Oder, with Italian journalist Saverio Gaeta of the Catholic weekly Christian Family. Oder is head of the Vatican committee investigating whether John Paul II should be declared a saint. John Paul died in 2005.
The evil albino monk in Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" may be the best-known example of self-flagellation these days, but the practice is not unusual in Catholicism -- or nearly as extreme as it is shown in the movie.
"When members or former members [of Opus Dei] see the monk go at it in the movie, they just burst out laughing, it's so nutty," said the Rev. Michael Barrett, a priest of the Catholic Opus Dei sect.
In actual Catholic self-flagellation, "there is no blood, no injury, nothing to harm a person's health, nothing traumatic. If it caused any harm, the Church would not allow it," he wrote on Opus Dei's Web site when the movie came out in 2006.
"This voluntarily accepted discomfort is a way of joining oneself to Jesus Christ and the sufferings he voluntarily accepted in order to redeem us from sin. 'The Da Vinci Code's' masochist monk, who loves pain for its own sake, has nothing to do with real Christian mortification," Barrett said.
Mother Teresa is among famous Catholics who self-flagellated in some way, Barrett said.
Catholics are not alone in choosing to inflict pain on themselves for religion reasons. Some Shiite Muslims lash themselves until they bleed when marking the mourning period of Ashura, while fasting is practiced by people in several religions, including Jews on Yom Kippur, the day of atonement.
David Gibson, a journalist who worked for Vatican Radio when John Paul II was pope, pointed out that the pontiff wrote an apostolic letter -- essentially a papal position paper -- on suffering in 1984.
"Christ did not conceal from his listeners the need for suffering. He said very clearly: 'If any man would come after me ... let him take up his cross daily,' " the pope wrote, quoting the Gospel of Luke.
Jesus, the pope wrote, "suffered in place of man and for man. Every man has his own share in the Redemption. Each one is also called to share in that suffering through which the Redemption was accomplished.
"In bringing about the Redemption through suffering, Christ has also raised human suffering to the level of the Redemption. Thus each man, in his suffering, can also become a sharer in the redemptive suffering of Christ," says the letter, Salvifici Doloris, On the Christian Meaning of Human Suffering.
"John Paul was a product of a very Old World Polish Catholicism," said Gibson, who now writes on religion for Politics Daily.
"He was a very disciplined man and a very rigorous man in his personal spirituality," he said.
The authors of the new book clearly approve of any whipping the pope did of himself, he added.
"Even though it's going to weird people out, it's obviously seen by his postulators as a sign of his holiness," he said, using the technical term for the person who investigates a person's qualifications for sainthood.
He said the idea is not as bizarre as it might sound to contemporary ears.
"The idea of fasting, renouncing something, giving up your Starbucks latte so you can send money to Haiti -- you can't simply look down your nose at it without rejecting a lot of other ideas about self-sacrifice," he said.
The authors of the book based it on interviews with 114 "witnesses" and access to unedited documents in the Vatican's archives, according to the publisher, Rizzoli.
The book is available only in Italian, but the publisher is having it translated into Polish and other languages.
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31SoWal Guide
I was trying to make the point that Christianity with all its self inflicted pain to get closer to its god sounds a bit like the practice of radical Muslims blowing themselves up and detouring planes into buildings. And also- the article about the pope self flatulating (misspelling was an attempt at humor) reminds me of the scenes on the movie Fight Club when Ed Norton is beating the snot out of his own self!
I don't think that point or comparison can really be made here. most obvious is that the Pope may privately flagellate his body for personal spiritual reasons, but he would do anything possible to stop the killing of innocent people - especially in War.
try again my Geo!
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Skunky
Explain your cute answer to the thousands who were abused during their youth by the church protected priests.
Evildoers will have to account for their actions one day. I feel so lucky that I survived Catholic upbringing without being molested:roll:
I think it is pathetic that you read the entire article Geo posted and pulled out a sentence that you could use as an inroad for the reliable 'Catholic priests are pedophiles' crap. If you hate Catholics, don't go to their church. If you know of a priest that is molesting a kid, call the cops.
What good do you think you are doing by perpetuating a very painful chapter in the life of abuse victims and the millions of Catholics who had nothing to do with child abuse and recognize it for the vile sin that it is?

Beach FanaticAuthor
Good points, all
needs to get out more
Not sure how many children are aware enough to practice self flagellation.
Explain your cute answer to the thousands who were abused during their youth by the church protected priests.
How about I explain it to you like I'm a third grader? Your (lack of) comprehension is amazing.
The original sentence read as: In actual Catholic self-flagellation, "there is no blood, no injury, nothing to harm a person's health, nothing traumatic. If it caused any harm, the Church would not allow it," he wrote on Opus Dei's Web site when the movie came out in 2006.
You, for some reason known only to yourself, chose to key onto "there is no blood, no injury, nothing to harm a person's health, nothing traumatic. If it caused any harm, the Church would not allow it," completely disregarding the entire point of the sentence that pertained to self-flagellation. You made a leap that had no basis in logic. Help me understand how a "protected priest" relates to self-flagellation?
And BTW, I thought your comment was referring to corporal punishment inflicted by parents. Additionally, please keep your pathetic comments about my compassion for abused children to yourself. You have no idea what my history is with regards to this subject.
Banned
Evildoers will have to account for their actions one day. I feel so lucky that I survived Catholic upbringing without being molested:roll:
I think it is pathetic that you read the entire article Geo posted and pulled out a sentence that you could use as an inroad for the reliable 'Catholic priests are pedophiles' crap. If you hate Catholics, don't go to their church. If you know of a priest that is molesting a kid, call the cops.
What good do you think you are doing by perpetuating a very painful chapter in the life of abuse victims and the millions of Catholics who had nothing to do with child abuse and recognize it for the vile sin that it is?
How about I explain it to you like I'm a third grader? Your (lack of) comprehension is amazing.
The original sentence read as: In actual Catholic self-flagellation, "there is no blood, no injury, nothing to harm a person's health, nothing traumatic. If it caused any harm, the Church would not allow it," he wrote on Opus Dei's Web site when the movie came out in 2006.
You, for some reason known only to yourself, chose to key onto "there is no blood, no injury, nothing to harm a person's health, nothing traumatic. If it caused any harm, the Church would not allow it," completely disregarding the entire point of the sentence that pertained to self-flagellation. You made a leap that had no basis in logic. Help me understand how a "protected priest" relates to self-flagellation?
And BTW, I thought your comment was referring to corporal punishment inflicted by parents. Additionally, please keep your pathetic comments about my compassion for abused children to yourself. You have no idea what my history is with regards to this subject.
I posted a reply to these but then went back and deleted them. I was out of line. There is another place and time for this conversation.
Beach Lover
If by poverty your definition means being in charge of a city/state, ultimate ruler of millions of followers, living in a palace surrounded by guards, wearing designer robes worth thousands, jewelry, private jets, and a vehicle named after you. Then yes he took a vow of poverty.
This always bothered me too.
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