The real reason Obamacare has Failed us all?

I beleive we can all agree reform is needed for Healthcare. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind-we are talking about reforming the greatest health care system in the World. I wanted to ask you - what is the true reason Obamacare has failed? ?!? For me, the following links show why I have written this President completely off. I "now" unfortunately have zero faith in anything he says. Please review the following quick links before commenting

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Thanks Bob..."Greatest Health care sytem in the world"--yea right. Try # 37 in the World for starters.

And don't be so smug and sanctimonious as to make me think that you have "just" written this President off as you portend-- All of your sowal posts from Aug 7 thru October 18th, along with your strong support for the wacko from Alaska, has just said quite a bit, and it has put your entire argument in a new slanted perspective, as far as I am concerned.

PS: Your crying Charlie Brown avatar also reveals a certain amount of aleination, political or otherwise.

I beleive we can all agree reform is needed for Healthcare. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind-we are talking about reforming the greatest health care system in the World. I wanted to ask you - what is the true reason Obamacare has failed? ?!? For me, the following links show why I have written this President completely off. I "now" unfortunately have zero faith in anything he says. Please review the following quick links before commenting

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Thanks Bob..."Greatest Health care sytem in the world"--yea right. Try # 37 in the World for starters.

And don't be so smug and sanctimonious as to make me think that you have "just" written this President off as you portend-- All of your sowal posts from Aug 7 thru October 18th, along with your strong support for the wacko from Alaska, has just said quite a bit, and it has put your entire argument in a new slanted perspective, as far as I am concerned.

PS: Your crying Charlie Brown avatar also reveals a certain amount of aleination, political or otherwise.

And I had always thought my avatar was inspired by my son's love of "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown????" He loves the picture as well as the song. Instead I am alienated I shall banish this DVD from the library

Fortunately for you, I am the only one here saddled with bitter bias Forgive me if I do not cite your prior posting history in retort as I have a life and one other point of rational interest.... I do not know you hnooe Therefore, I shall choose to avoid the public path of cowardice message board attacks. You are obviously highly skilled at this tactic so please continue to educate us all.

Much love for your personal attacks and I have great admiration of your on point response to my question. Quite a telling response based on the facts I offered. You should bolt for the 36 other countries who have better healthcare than ours. Please wave to the countless foreigners waiting in line to access to our system. I'll take healthcare in the USA any day of the week. These respected UN inspired rankings you cite are obviously rock solid fact http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/20/3/10.pdf As I previously clearly stated, we need healthcare reform. If there is a Democratic filibuster proof House and Senate, why don't we have a new Healthcare reform Bill ready for Obama to sign-just as he demanded? There has to be a reason with more depth than my poor alienated avatar???

Can we please stick to the facts offered. Intelligent discussion/rebuttal is encouraged

I beleive we can all agree reform is needed for Healthcare. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind-we are talking about reforming the greatest health care system in the World.

I beleive we can all agree reform is needed for Healthcare. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind-we are talking about reforming the greatest health care system in the World.

Add: "for those who can afford it".

You forgot to mention Obama is not a natural-born citizen, too.

I beleive we can all agree reform is needed for Healthcare. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind-we are talking about reforming the greatest health care system in the World.

Add: "for those who can afford it".

It's preferable to no great health care at any cost.

Can any of these US Healthcare haters name one drug in the last 20 years that was not developed in the United States? Also there are very large differences in how countries tally their life expectancy and infant mortality. In the US if a child is delivered and takes a single breath and then dies they count against both. In most of those countries ahead of us that child must survive 24 hrs. Considering the age of death, that skews the data quite dramatically.

Speaking of skewed data, did you guys know that of those 46 million uninsured in America: 12 million are illegal immigrants and 9 million are under 35, can afford health insurance and simply choose not to carry it. That really leaves only 25 million without it. There is not an exact number for those that qualify for public assistance but have not taken the time to do so. Even at that number, it is about 9 percent of the population. Personally, I do not understand why we are willing the screw up healthcare for 90% of Americans to cover the very few.

I agree with removal of pre-existing condition exclusions and a windfall profits tax on the insurers, but a public healthcare option is the 1st step to Socialized Medicine, and this is why the Florida Medical Association and 18 other State Medical Associations oppose HB 3200 and are urging its members to speak to their patients in efforts to abort this legislation. If the President and Congress was serious about health reform, they would include medical malpractice reform which increases the cost of every medical visit. Unfortunately, they are owned by the Trial Lawyers Association and will not even consider it.

What is the problem with Socialized Medicine? The rationing of healthcare. After age 75, most medical procedures improve quality of life, but don't on average extend life. Heart valves, bypass surgery, cancer treatment, joint replacement are quite the drag on healthcare costs. Without a doubt costs are going to soar initially and when the central planners look where to cut costs it will be with the elderly. I am advising all of my older patients who think they might need joint replacement soon, to go ahead with it because there is a good chance in 2 years they will not be allowed to do so without paying for it themselves.

Can any of these US Healthcare haters name one drug in the last 20 years that was not developed in the United States? Also there are very large differences in how countries tally their life expectancy and infant mortality. In the US if a child is delivered and takes a single breath and then dies they count against both. In most of those countries ahead of us that child must survive 24 hrs. Considering the age of death, that skews the data quite dramatically.

Speaking of skewed data, did you guys know that of those 46 million uninsured in America: 12 million are illegal immigrants and 9 million are under 35, can afford health insurance and simply choose not to carry it. That really leaves only 25 million without it. There is not an exact number for those that qualify for public assistance but have not taken the time to do so. Even at that number, it is about 9 percent of the population. Personally, I do not understand why we are willing the screw up healthcare for 90% of Americans to cover the very few.

I agree with removal of pre-existing condition exclusions and a windfall profits tax on the insurers, but a public healthcare option is the 1st step to Socialized Medicine, and this is why the Florida Medical Association and 18 other State Medical Associations oppose HB 3200 and are urging its members to speak to their patients in efforts to abort this legislation. If the President and Congress was serious about health reform, they would include medical malpractice reform which increases the cost of every medical visit. Unfortunately, they are owned by the Trial Lawyers Association and will not even consider it.

What is the problem with Socialized Medicine? The rationing of healthcare. After age 75, most medical procedures improve quality of life, but don't on average extend life. Heart valves, bypass surgery, cancer treatment, joint replacement are quite the drag on healthcare costs. Without a doubt costs are going to soar initially and when the central planners look where to cut costs it will be with the elderly. I am advising all of my older patients who think they might need joint replacement soon, to go ahead with it because there is a good chance in 2 years they will not be allowed to do so without paying for it themselves.

Can any of these US Healthcare haters name one drug in the last 20 years that was not developed in the United States? Also there are very large differences in how countries tally their life expectancy and infant mortality. In the US if a child is delivered and takes a single breath and then dies they count against both. In most of those countries ahead of us that child must survive 24 hrs. Considering the age of death, that skews the data quite dramatically.

Speaking of skewed data, did you guys know that of those 46 million uninsured in America: 12 million are illegal immigrants and 9 million are under 35, can afford health insurance and simply choose not to carry it. That really leaves only 25 million without it. There is not an exact number for those that qualify for public assistance but have not taken the time to do so. Even at that number, it is about 9 percent of the population. Personally, I do not understand why we are willing the screw up healthcare for 90% of Americans to cover the very few.

I agree with removal of pre-existing condition exclusions and a windfall profits tax on the insurers, but a public healthcare option is the 1st step to Socialized Medicine, and this is why the Florida Medical Association and 18 other State Medical Associations oppose HB 3200 and are urging its members to speak to their patients in efforts to abort this legislation. If the President and Congress was serious about health reform, they would include medical malpractice reform which increases the cost of every medical visit. Unfortunately, they are owned by the Trial Lawyers Association and will not even consider it.

What is the problem with Socialized Medicine? The rationing of healthcare. After age 75, most medical procedures improve quality of life, but don't on average extend life. Heart valves, bypass surgery, cancer treatment, joint replacement are quite the drag on healthcare costs. Without a doubt costs are going to soar initially and when the central planners look where to cut costs it will be with the elderly. I am advising all of my older patients who think they might need joint replacement soon, to go ahead with it because there is a good chance in 2 years they will not be allowed to do so without paying for it themselves.

I seem to be missing how some reform for those of Us (including me) who really can't afford really good, comprisensive health insurance coverage is going to ruin the healthcare system for everyone else.
I would like an option to get on a gov't program. Aren't about 1/4 of all insured americans already on a gov't plan? Medicare, the system for the armed forces, and the system for all members of federal gov't, congressmen and all of that. Lots and lots of people in America have a gov't backed plan.

What burns me up the most, is a bunch of guys who do not have to worry about hospital bills AT ALL are telling me I don't want a gov't plan.
Well, I WANT A GOV'T PLAN. I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE CANADA, FRANCE, AND ENGLAND.
I want to go to the hospital and come out without a bill.
I want all you people who make more than me to have to pay for my health care, and I want you to give me the very best in the world. I DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS YOU!!!!!!!!

Here is the problem. You have been conditioned to believe you have to have a 'comprehensive' plan, whatever that means. I would point out that the government already offers health care to children and adolescents. The same can be said for senior citizens. That leaves the 20somethings to leading edge 60 years olds needing to make a choice. Eliminate those in that age group who truly are 'sick', who can qualify for government insurance, and you are left with an otherwise healthy populace. If the healthy adults would purchase a 'catastrophic' health plan and simply pay cash for doctor visits, it would be so simple and save for a few exceptions, it would work fine.

Somehow we have been conditioned to believe that it is better to have a $20 co-pay for an office visit and pay a few hundred dollars a month for 'comprehensive' insurance (which usually isn't nearly as comprehensive as purchasers believe) rather than pay far less for a catastrophic plan, have a health savings account and pay maybe $300 annually for an individual to make office visits. It can be done, but many refuse to believe it.

It's my understanding that child health care available by the "government" or individual States is based on income, and it's usually close to the poverty line.
These catastrophic plans you speak of, who determines what is catastrophic? Is it an automobile accident, cancer? What about chronic disease? My sister has had to be rushed to the hospital several times in the past year and a half, has seen numerous specialists, and none of them, until recently, was able to diagnose her with a rare, but manageable disease; one that she was able to punch in all her symptoms into Web MD and figured out herself. Yes, it is rare, but give me a break. Had the physicians had looked at ALL her charts, they would have easily figured it out, but rush them in and rush them out seems to be the mantra these days.

I'm guessing a catastrophic plan would have been catastrophic for her financially after doling out $300 a visit, ambulatory services, blood work, emergency room and hospital stays after the "plan" determined that nothing was really wrong with her prior to be diagnosed.

greatest healthcare in the world....for whom?

Can any of these US Healthcare haters name one drug in the last 20 years that was not developed in the United States? Also there are very large differences in how countries tally their life expectancy and infant mortality. In the US if a child is delivered and takes a single breath and then dies they count against both. In most of those countries ahead of us that child must survive 24 hrs. Considering the age of death, that skews the data quite dramatically.

Speaking of skewed data, did you guys know that of those 46 million uninsured in America: 12 million are illegal immigrants and 9 million are under 35, can afford health insurance and simply choose not to carry it. That really leaves only 25 million without it. There is not an exact number for those that qualify for public assistance but have not taken the time to do so. Even at that number, it is about 9 percent of the population. Personally, I do not understand why we are willing the screw up healthcare for 90% of Americans to cover the very few.

I agree with removal of pre-existing condition exclusions and a windfall profits tax on the insurers, but a public healthcare option is the 1st step to Socialized Medicine, and this is why the Florida Medical Association and 18 other State Medical Associations oppose HB 3200 and are urging its members to speak to their patients in efforts to abort this legislation. If the President and Congress was serious about health reform, they would include medical malpractice reform which increases the cost of every medical visit. Unfortunately, they are owned by the Trial Lawyers Association and will not even consider it.

What is the problem with Socialized Medicine? The rationing of healthcare. After age 75, most medical procedures improve quality of life, but don't on average extend life. Heart valves, bypass surgery, cancer treatment, joint replacement are quite the drag on healthcare costs. Without a doubt costs are going to soar initially and when the central planners look where to cut costs it will be with the elderly. I am advising all of my older patients who think they might need joint replacement soon, to go ahead with it because there is a good chance in 2 years they will not be allowed to do so without paying for it themselves.

It's my understanding that child health care available by the "government" or individual States is based on income, and it's usually close to the poverty line.
These catastrophic plans you speak of, who determines what is catastrophic? Is it an automobile accident, cancer? What about chronic disease? My sister has had to be rushed to the hospital several times in the past year and a half, has seen numerous specialists, and none of them, until recently, was able to diagnose her with a rare, but manageable disease; one that she was able to punch in all her symptoms into Web MD and figured out herself. Yes, it is rare, but give me a break. Had the physicians had looked at ALL her charts, they would have easily figured it out, but rush them in and rush them out seems to be the mantra these days.

I'm guessing a catastrophic plan would have been catastrophic for her financially after doling out $300 a visit, ambulatory services, blood work, emergency room and hospital stays after the "plan" determined that nothing was really wrong with her prior to be diagnosed.

When my Dad had his accident, he was in and out of the hospital numerous times, once for neck surgery. One of the last times he was there, they didn't even know he had a surgical wound on the back of his neck until almost a week later. He had the surgery AT THAT HOSPITAL! Guess what, he tested positive for MRSA at the wound site and ended up staying another week for that. He wasn't able to swallow liquids and damn near choked at home. The hospital, after two ER visits and being sent home, finally admitted him for "observation". He died that evening, because he wasn't being observed...He choked to death. I totally blame the hospital.

I seem to be missing how some reform for those of Us (including me) who really can't afford really good, comprisensive health insurance coverage is going to ruin the healthcare system for everyone else.
I would like an option to get on a gov't program. Aren't about 1/4 of all insured americans already on a gov't plan? Medicare, the system for the armed forces, and the system for all members of federal gov't, congressmen and all of that. Lots and lots of people in America have a gov't backed plan.

What burns me up the most, is a bunch of guys who do not have to worry about hospital bills AT ALL are telling me I don't want a gov't plan.
Well, I WANT A GOV'T PLAN. I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE CANADA, FRANCE, AND ENGLAND.
I want to go to the hospital and come out without a bill.
I want all you people who make more than me to have to pay for my health care, and I want you to give me the very best in the world. I DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS YOU!!!!!!!!

Well, there you go.

What percentage of the populace do you estimate your cited example represents, and do you think a solution exists that will make everyone happy?

I would define catastrophic as a condition that results in hospitalization. The diagnosis of cancer? A catastrophe, and perhaps for those unfortunate enough to be diagnosed with cancer, there could be a specific coverage offered by the government.

We can go back and forth, tit-for-tat all day long about this stuff. The bottom line is that there will always be people who are not satisfied, but catering to a vocal minority that derails common sense reform for the majority makes no sense.

MRSA....the gift that keeps on giving. Every single person I know who has been hospitalized in Louisiana has had it.

I am very, very sorry about your father.

You probably have it, too. That isn't an insult, simply a reality as MRSA is now common skin flora.

Yes, I know. And, I guess, so do you.

I and my parents were all in and out of Sacred Heart with open wounds and never got it. I don't think that's luck, I think that's proper procedure, when you go three-for-three.

Of the three people I know who have been hospitialized for surgery in Louisiana, all three have gotten it. Again, I don't think that's luck, I think that's sloppy procedure.