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Andy A

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Steel1man, a little explaination please.  How are they about to be sued?

steel1man

[quote="Andy A, post: 824495"]Steel1man, a little explaination please.  How are they about to be sued?[/QUOTE]  I would assume( you know what means!) that if my child was harmed ( loss of life) on the beach and the Mayor and her group had ignored the Sheriff's request Last year 2014,that the beach was out of control. Then this year she is on file saying she feels the beach is safe and continues her " everything is safe and fine", approach....pretty sure some Grade A law firm could at least scare them to turn down PC Spring Break...IMO.....

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Andy A">Steel1man, a little explaination please. How are they about to be sued?</blockquote> I would assume( you know what means!) that if my child was harmed ( loss of life) on the beach and the Mayor and her group had ignored the Sheriff&#039;s request Last year 2014,that the beach was out of control. Then this year she is on file saying she feels the beach is safe and continues her &quot; everything is safe and fine&quot;, approach....pretty sure some Grade A law firm could at least scare them to turn down PC Spring Break...IMO.....

Teresa

SoWal Guide

People die every single year in PCB during spring break. Very sad. If you ask me, PCB has been out of control for many years. Yes, it only escalates. I do think there is a whole new level of criminal activity going on: shootings, more drugs, sexual assault, and people of all ages coming from 100 miles around (or more) to target the college age kids with drugs, etc. Underage drinking is the least of it.

No, this isn't a PCB forum but we do cover PCB often because it's our neighbor, we shop and eat there often, we attend events and concerts there, and we love St Andrews State Park, Shell Island and getting out on the water with Captain Greg of Osprey Charters. We cover Destin activities as well. South Walton locals and visitors often travel in either direction.

People die every single year in PCB during spring break. Very sad. If you ask me, PCB has been out of control for many years. Yes, it only escalates. I do think there is a whole new level of criminal activity going on: shootings, more drugs, sexual assault, and people of all ages coming from 100 miles around (or more) to target the college age kids with drugs, etc. Underage drinking is the least of it. 
 
No, this isn&#039;t a PCB forum but we do cover PCB often because it&#039;s our neighbor, we shop and eat there often, we attend events and concerts there, and we love St Andrews State Park, Shell Island and getting out on the water with Captain Greg of Osprey Charters. We cover Destin activities as well. South Walton locals and visitors often travel in either direction.

poppy

Banned

Be it spring break or a church retreat anytime you have over 500,000 people gathered I would have to believe a few deaths would not be a statistical oddity. I was stationed on a ship with a complement of 65 and we had two accidental deaths within a few months of each other. Young people partying and drinking will up the odds of accidental deaths, but life is a risk and stupidity is one of the many ways nature thins the herd. We have tourist drownings every year and no one is suggesting we shut down the beaches for the Summer.

seabythegrove

You can&#039;t legally prevent stupidity...

John G

[quote="poppy, post: 824510"]Be it spring break or a church retreat anytime you have over 500,000 people gathered I would have to believe a few deaths would not be a statistical oddity. I was stationed on a ship with a complement of 65 and we had two accidental deaths within a few months of each other. Young people partying and drinking will up the odds of accidental deaths, but life is a risk and stupidity is one of the many ways nature thins the herd.[B]We have tourist drownings every year and no one is suggesting we shut down the beaches for the Summer[/B].[/QUOTE]

But..., we have created a flag warning system and we do in-fact make it illegal to enter the water under double-red flags.  So, while the beach is not "shut down" entering the water has been at times.

A significant amount of funding is used to try to educate the "herd" as you refer to them. 

While I can understand your Social Darwinism comparison, I do not feel it fair to compare someone who drowns in the Gulf to an Idiot on Spring Break.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="poppy">Be it spring break or a church retreat anytime you have over 500,000 people gathered I would have to believe a few deaths would not be a statistical oddity. I was stationed on a ship with a complement of 65 and we had two accidental deaths within a few months of each other. Young people partying and drinking will up the odds of accidental deaths, but life is a risk and stupidity is one of the many ways nature thins the herd.We have tourist drownings every year and no one is suggesting we shut down the beaches for the Summer.</blockquote> 
But..., we have created a flag warning system and we do in-fact make it illegal to enter the water under double-red flags. So, while the beach is not &quot;shut down&quot; entering the water has been at times. 
 
A significant amount of funding is used to try to educate the &quot;herd&quot; as you refer to them. 
 
While I can understand your Social Darwinism comparison, I do not feel it fair to compare someone who drowns in the Gulf to an Idiot on Spring Break.

[quote="Jeff Mc, post: 824522"]  But..., we have created a flag warning system and we do in-fact make it illegal to enter the water under double-red flags.  So, while the beach is not "shut down" entering the water has been at times.  A significant amount of funding is used to try to educate the "herd" as you refer to them.  While I can understand your Social Darwinism comparison, I do not feel it fair to compare someone who drowns in the Gulf to an Idiot on Spring Break.[/QUOTE]

 There are also laws concerning alcohol sales and people drown no matter what color of flag is flying. True accidents do happen to both swimmers and partiers, but an idiot is an idiot. It makes no difference if they drown because they under estimated their skill at swimming or they fall off a balcony because they over estimated their skill while drunk they're still dead.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jeff Mc">But..., we have created a flag warning system and we do in-fact make it illegal to enter the water under double-red flags. So, while the beach is not &quot;shut down&quot; entering the water has been at times. A significant amount of funding is used to try to educate the &quot;herd&quot; as you refer to them. While I can understand your Social Darwinism comparison, I do not feel it fair to compare someone who drowns in the Gulf to an Idiot on Spring Break.</blockquote> 
 There are also laws concerning alcohol sales and people drown no matter what color of flag is flying. True accidents do happen to both swimmers and partiers, but an idiot is an idiot. It makes no difference if they drown because they under estimated their skill at swimming or they fall off a balcony because they over estimated their skill while drunk they&#039;re still dead.

Bob Wells

[quote="Jeff Mc, post: 824522"]But..., we have created a flag warning system and we do in-fact make it illegal to enter the water under double-red flags.  So, while the beach is not "shut down" entering the water has been at times.

A significant amount of funding is used to try to educate the "herd" as you refer to them. 

While I can understand your Social Darwinism comparison,[B] I do not feel it fair to compare someone who drowns in the Gulf to an Idiot on Spring Break.[/B][/QUOTE]
Really, I have seen mature responsible adults lament that the kind of money they spend to vacation here that double red flags aren't going to stop them from swimming. I have had adults with children walk around first responders while providing CPR on an middle aged person who drowned so that they can enjoy the crashing waves. I have seen the effects on married middle aged vacationers who who decide to drink and drive and fall out a golf cart. Yeah may be not to the crowd extent of what is occurring on PCB but I have seen what I would have expected reasonable adults act like spring breakers. As for what is occurring on PCB and Sowal is it an upgrade in enforcement because of the issues and concerns of last year, just because numbers are up is it really because things are worse or the laws are being more strictly enforced?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jeff Mc">But..., we have created a flag warning system and we do in-fact make it illegal to enter the water under double-red flags. So, while the beach is not &quot;shut down&quot; entering the water has been at times. 
 
A significant amount of funding is used to try to educate the &quot;herd&quot; as you refer to them. 
 
While I can understand your Social Darwinism comparison, I do not feel it fair to compare someone who drowns in the Gulf to an Idiot on Spring Break.</blockquote>Really, I have seen mature responsible adults lament that the kind of money they spend to vacation here that double red flags aren&#039;t going to stop them from swimming. I have had adults with children walk around first responders while providing CPR on an middle aged person who drowned so that they can enjoy the crashing waves. I have seen the effects on married middle aged vacationers who who decide to drink and drive and fall out a golf cart. Yeah may be not to the crowd extent of what is occurring on PCB but I have seen what I would have expected reasonable adults act like spring breakers. As for what is occurring on PCB and Sowal is it an upgrade in enforcement because of the issues and concerns of last year, just because numbers are up is it really because things are worse or the laws are being more strictly enforced?

My guess is that the numbers are up in all aspects. SoWal's spring break cannot be compared to PCB, imo. Though it is crazy in some places here. seaside is so packed with kids at night it's kind of bizarre.

My guess is that the numbers are up in all aspects. SoWal&#039;s spring break cannot be compared to PCB, imo. Though it is crazy in some places here. seaside is so packed with kids at night it&#039;s kind of bizarre.

[quote="Teresa, post: 824531"]My guess is that the numbers are up in all aspects. SoWal's spring break cannot be compared to PCB, imo. Though it is crazy in some places here. seaside is so packed with kids at night it's kind of bizarre.[/QUOTE]
Here is my thought on this. I have no issues with "spring breakers" here in SoWal. I think to prevent it from reaching the same level as in PCB can be prevented in a couple of ways. 1 ENFORCEMENT, both by those that rent to folks during spring break and law enforcement. Law Enforcement has done their part IMO. Responsible advertising, which, again IMO is done by the TDC. Personally moms and dads rent for their spring breakers here because of their vacations when the breaker was a tot and thought how quaint. I think Hannity is going to be the bigger boost to spring break because the kids are wanting to go to a large party. Look I get folks want to get back their quaint little area, where the traffic isn't bad and we don't have thousands of people here, but as Dana Carvey imitating 1st President George Bush might say "Not gonna happen". We are a tourist attraction, and I think our community has done a fine job stepping up to meet the challenge. We still have some work, bypasses are one and zoning is another just to name two. I don't think we can afford to look back,  the future is where its at and as Forrest Gump might say "That's all I got to say about that". Have a good one cause I am going to enjoy the day.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Teresa">My guess is that the numbers are up in all aspects. SoWal&#039;s spring break cannot be compared to PCB, imo. Though it is crazy in some places here. seaside is so packed with kids at night it&#039;s kind of bizarre.</blockquote>Here is my thought on this. I have no issues with &quot;spring breakers&quot; here in SoWal. I think to prevent it from reaching the same level as in PCB can be prevented in a couple of ways. 1 ENFORCEMENT, both by those that rent to folks during spring break and law enforcement. Law Enforcement has done their part IMO. Responsible advertising, which, again IMO is done by the TDC. Personally moms and dads rent for their spring breakers here because of their vacations when the breaker was a tot and thought how quaint. I think Hannity is going to be the bigger boost to spring break because the kids are wanting to go to a large party. Look I get folks want to get back their quaint little area, where the traffic isn&#039;t bad and we don&#039;t have thousands of people here, but as Dana Carvey imitating 1st President George Bush might say &quot;Not gonna happen&quot;. We are a tourist attraction, and I think our community has done a fine job stepping up to meet the challenge. We still have some work, bypasses are one and zoning is another just to name two. I don&#039;t think we can afford to look back, the future is where its at and as Forrest Gump might say &quot;That&#039;s all I got to say about that&quot;. Have a good one cause I am going to enjoy the day.

[quote="Bob Wells, post: 824535"]Here is my thought on this. I have no issues with "spring breakers" here in SoWal. I think to prevent it from reaching the same level as in PCB can be prevented in a couple of ways. 1 ENFORCEMENT, both by those that rent to folks during spring break and law enforcement. Law Enforcement has done their part IMO. Responsible advertising, which, again IMO is done by the TDC. Personally moms and dads rent for their spring breakers here because of their vacations when the breaker was a tot and thought how quaint. I think Hannity is going to be the bigger boost to spring break because the kids are wanting to go to a large party. Look I get folks want to get back their quaint little area, where the traffic isn't bad and we don't have thousands of people here, but as Dana Carvey imitating 1st President George Bush might say "Not gonna happen". We are a tourist attraction, and I think our community has done a fine job stepping up to meet the challenge. We still have some work, bypasses are one and zoning is another just to name two. I don't think we can afford to look back,  the future is where its at and as Forrest Gump might say "That's all I got to say about that". Have a good one cause I am going to enjoy the day.[/QUOTE]

I like what you are saying.  Enforcement from all angles is key.  Yes, local cops are doing what they can and need to continue and do more.

Local Vacation Rental Companies also hold a large responsibility in enforcement of WHO and how many they rent to.  Unfortunately, this is a difficult one to reign in as they (those who rent out short term) are not licensed by the State and anyone can do this do get a quick buck.

We need the community to pressure those companies that don't do a good job to start to tighten up.  We don't need condos with "unlimited occupancy" and people turning their owners closets in the bunk bed rooms for kids.  Shame on you that do.

If not, its only a matter of time before a place like Seascape or one of the condos in that area have this in the morning:

[url]http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html[/url]

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">Here is my thought on this. I have no issues with &quot;spring breakers&quot; here in SoWal. I think to prevent it from reaching the same level as in PCB can be prevented in a couple of ways. 1 ENFORCEMENT, both by those that rent to folks during spring break and law enforcement. Law Enforcement has done their part IMO. Responsible advertising, which, again IMO is done by the TDC. Personally moms and dads rent for their spring breakers here because of their vacations when the breaker was a tot and thought how quaint. I think Hannity is going to be the bigger boost to spring break because the kids are wanting to go to a large party. Look I get folks want to get back their quaint little area, where the traffic isn&#039;t bad and we don&#039;t have thousands of people here, but as Dana Carvey imitating 1st President George Bush might say &quot;Not gonna happen&quot;. We are a tourist attraction, and I think our community has done a fine job stepping up to meet the challenge. We still have some work, bypasses are one and zoning is another just to name two. I don&#039;t think we can afford to look back, the future is where its at and as Forrest Gump might say &quot;That&#039;s all I got to say about that&quot;. Have a good one cause I am going to enjoy the day.</blockquote> 
I like what you are saying. Enforcement from all angles is key. Yes, local cops are doing what they can and need to continue and do more. 
 
Local Vacation Rental Companies also hold a large responsibility in enforcement of WHO and how many they rent to. Unfortunately, this is a difficult one to reign in as they (those who rent out short term) are not licensed by the State and anyone can do this do get a quick buck. 
 
We need the community to pressure those companies that don&#039;t do a good job to start to tighten up. We don&#039;t need condos with &quot;unlimited occupancy&quot; and people turning their owners closets in the bunk bed rooms for kids. Shame on you that do. 
 
If not, its only a matter of time before a place like Seascape or one of the condos in that area have this in the morning: 
 
<a href="http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html</a>

[quote="Jeff Mc, post: 824538"]

I like what you are saying.  Enforcement from all angles is key.  Yes, local cops are doing what they can and need to continue and do more.

Local Vacation Rental Companies also hold a large responsibility in enforcement of WHO and how many they rent to.  Unfortunately, this is a difficult one to reign in as they (those who rent out short term) are not licensed by the State and anyone can do this do get a quick buck.

We need the community to pressure those companies that don't do a good job to start to tighten up.  We don't need condos with "unlimited occupancy" and people turning their owners closets in the bunk bed rooms for kids.  Shame on you that do.

If not, its only a matter of time before a place like Seascape or one of the condos in that area have this in the morning:

[URL="http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html"]http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Love that 11am wakeup call video at PCB holiday Inn Resort! 

PCB attempted to crack down this year - the job is too big it seems. Our sheriff's team is doing their job in SoWal. But I think there is much more to do as far as education, awareness, and spring break campaigns about safety, rules, laws, etc. 

Many rental owners and vacation rental companies do not rent to college kids during the spring, or any other time. They don't want their property destroyed. These standards have been in place for years. Parents actually rent on their behalf and secure places for their kids. 

What's going on in Destin? Haven't seen much. 

Many rental property owners do not rent their homes at all during March.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Jeff Mc">I like what you are saying. Enforcement from all angles is key. Yes, local cops are doing what they can and need to continue and do more. 
 
Local Vacation Rental Companies also hold a large responsibility in enforcement of WHO and how many they rent to. Unfortunately, this is a difficult one to reign in as they (those who rent out short term) are not licensed by the State and anyone can do this do get a quick buck. 
 
We need the community to pressure those companies that don&#039;t do a good job to start to tighten up. We don&#039;t need condos with &quot;unlimited occupancy&quot; and people turning their owners closets in the bunk bed rooms for kids. Shame on you that do. 
 
If not, its only a matter of time before a place like Seascape or one of the condos in that area have this in the morning: 
 
<a href="http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Spring-Breaker-Wake-Up-Call-Whole-Video-297613381.html</a></blockquote> 
Love that 11am wakeup call video at PCB holiday Inn Resort! 
 
PCB attempted to crack down this year - the job is too big it seems. Our sheriff&#039;s team is doing their job in SoWal. But I think there is much more to do as far as education, awareness, and spring break campaigns about safety, rules, laws, etc. 
 
Many rental owners and vacation rental companies do not rent to college kids during the spring, or any other time. They don&#039;t want their property destroyed. These standards have been in place for years. Parents actually rent on their behalf and secure places for their kids. 
 
What&#039;s going on in Destin? Haven&#039;t seen much. 
 
Many rental property owners do not rent their homes at all during March.

[quote="Teresa, post: 824544"]  Love that 11am wakeup call video at PCB holiday Inn Resort!  PCB attempted to crack down this year - the job is too big it seems. Our sheriff's team is doing their job in SoWal. But I think there is much more to do as far as education, awareness, and spring break campaigns about safety, rules, laws, etc.  Many rental owners and vacation rental companies do not rent to college kids during the spring, or any other time. They don't want their property destroyed. These standards have been in place for years. Parents actually rent on their behalf and secure places for their kids.  What's going on in Destin? Haven't seen much.  Many rental property owners do not rent their homes at all during March.[/QUOTE]  some aren't to bright...I don't rent to college kids are anyone under 25. But, they try sorta, they ask to rent and leave an email like this ( example only ) [email]janedoe@fsu.edu[/email]. Nope I'm full....

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Teresa">Love that 11am wakeup call video at PCB holiday Inn Resort! PCB attempted to crack down this year - the job is too big it seems. Our sheriff&#039;s team is doing their job in SoWal. But I think there is much more to do as far as education, awareness, and spring break campaigns about safety, rules, laws, etc. Many rental owners and vacation rental companies do not rent to college kids during the spring, or any other time. They don&#039;t want their property destroyed. These standards have been in place for years. Parents actually rent on their behalf and secure places for their kids. What&#039;s going on in Destin? Haven&#039;t seen much. Many rental property owners do not rent their homes at all during March.</blockquote> some aren&#039;t to bright...I don&#039;t rent to college kids are anyone under 25. But, they try sorta, they ask to rent and leave an email like this ( example only ) <a href="mailto:janedoe@fsu.edu">janedoe@fsu.edu</a>. Nope I&#039;m full....

Franny

Whale's Tail in Destin is out of control! Seaside has a new nick name...'Hook up Beach' But, I will have to say we have met the nicest, most respectful college kids on Grayton Beach....I would have them over for dinner!

Whale&#039;s Tail in Destin is out of control! Seaside has a new nick name...&#039;Hook up Beach&#039; But, I will have to say we have met the nicest, most respectful college kids on Grayton Beach....I would have them over for dinner!

Out of control? I live approximately one third of a mile from that beach and drive by it once or twice most days what have I missed? If you're talking about Whales Tail food I will agree it's out of control and always has been.

Out of control? I live approximately one third of a mile from that beach and drive by it once or twice most days what have I missed? If you&#039;re talking about Whales Tail food I will agree it&#039;s out of control and always has been.

Leader of the Banned

It's just such a shock for me to hear that hormonally supercharged college students might want to have sex with each other when they could harness all that energy to study and contemplate the intricacies of the 30a ecosystem.  I'm at a loss for words.

It&#039;s just such a shock for me to hear that hormonally supercharged college students might want to have sex with each other when they could harness all that energy to study and contemplate the intricacies of the 30a ecosystem.  I&#039;m at a loss for words.

Beach Runner

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We have decided not to come to our home in SoWal during my spring break due to the craziness there. It's the first time that we've not vacationed there for my spring break in about 20 years.

We have decided not to come to our home in SoWal during my spring break due to the craziness there. It&#039;s the first time that we&#039;ve not vacationed there for my spring break in about 20 years.

UofL

We stayed at Seaside a few years ago during Spring Break.  We don't venture off 30A so I don't know what it was like elsewhere.
It was busy.  But we didn't see bad behavior.  Just crowded and made it hard to get coffee for one thing at Amavida.  Not a big deal.
But there were problems.  Several cars were torched while we stayed there.  Don't know if they found out who was responsible.  One on the street east of Tupelo at the corner of Grove.  The other on Forrest, a little further down.  Maybe 2011.
Anyway.  The water is too cold so that's the main reason we don't come down.  Since we aren't there year round, warm water is our number one criteria now.  30A makes it even better.
Ellen

We stayed at Seaside a few years ago during Spring Break. We don&#039;t venture off 30A so I don&#039;t know what it was like elsewhere. 
It was busy. But we didn&#039;t see bad behavior. Just crowded and made it hard to get coffee for one thing at Amavida. Not a big deal. 
But there were problems. Several cars were torched while we stayed there. Don&#039;t know if they found out who was responsible. One on the street east of Tupelo at the corner of Grove. The other on Forrest, a little further down. Maybe 2011. 
Anyway. The water is too cold so that&#039;s the main reason we don&#039;t come down. Since we aren&#039;t there year round, warm water is our number one criteria now. 30A makes it even better. 
Ellen

[quote="Beach Runner, post: 824573"]We have decided not to come to our home in SoWal during my spring break due to the craziness there. It's the first time that we've not vacationed there for my spring break in about 20 years.[/QUOTE]

And that's a shame. The alarmists here are doing no one any favors. Outside of the roving gangs of black thugs raping white girls, the public urination on children, and cars with occupants set ablaze I honestly do not see any difference from previous years.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Beach Runner">We have decided not to come to our home in SoWal during my spring break due to the craziness there. It&#039;s the first time that we&#039;ve not vacationed there for my spring break in about 20 years.</blockquote> 
And that&#039;s a shame. The alarmists here are doing no one any favors. Outside of the roving gangs of black thugs raping white girls, the public urination on children, and cars with occupants set ablaze I honestly do not see any difference from previous years.

PCB is a messed up place. Pretty sure the mayor
And many of the council and the city are just one SAD disaster away from a heck of a law suit.

PCB is a messed up place. Pretty sure the mayor 
And many of the council and the city are just one SAD disaster away from a heck of a law suit.

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