There are a couple of posters here who argue that nothing is happening to the environment(heating or cooling) that is cause for concern. I disagree. Check out this video and make your own conclusion.
YouTube - The Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See
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50Beach Fanatic
I noticed in the debate last night a comment that the US has not issued a nuclear power permit in 30 years and that nuclear power accounts for only 20% of the nation's energy needs, soon to drop to 15%. It occurs to me that the same people here who moan and groan about global warming, foreign oil dependency, obscene profits for the oil companies, drilling in Alaska, etc., etc., etc., are the same folks who will be up in arms when the U.S. grants a new permit for a nuclear power plant. God help us if we were to put that plant in the same scrub pine forest as the new airport. The Natural Resources Defense Council and the Defenders of Wildlife would have a collective stroke. Get the protest posters (and sunscreen) ready. It's gonna be HOT out there.
Beach Lover
John R:
"is it ok if one is concerned and active about a cause without reading the referenced book?"
Thanks for making me smile.
Little Fish
"is it ok if one is concerned and active about a cause without reading the referenced book?"
Thanks for making me smile.
Little Fish
SoWal Guide
Tootsie:
I didn't suggest that people don't change; rather, that they do change when proven wrong. Change rarely comes overnight so why allow oneself to get caught up in theories which will be replaced in time. Your post regarding John Paul is really no surprise to me... it took the Church 360 years to acknowledge they were wrong. How many other "truths" are wrong? If The Holy See can get something wrong, surely Al Gore et al. can get something wrong.
If you are interested in learning about the speed and nature of scientific progress, I recommend you read the book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" by Thomas Kuhn. When you're done, please come back and tell us whether you still feel fired up about Global Warming... or any other theory for that matter.
Little Fish
I appreciate your thoughts on this little fish. 360 years it took for the church to "officially" make a statement on galileo. that's about average in the ancient, slow moving catholic church!
nothing new there. (I'm sure you realize that this change in church view on science took place hundreds of years ago, just never got around to making an official statement about this. gee, I wish other big organizations were not afraid of saying "we were wrong.").I am not really interested in reading about the speed and nature of scientific progress. I leave it to all of you who enjoy science. But, I do understand that scientific progress takes forever and a day. its an extraordinary endeavor. As long as they continue their work, I'm happy. Scientists must not be swayed by politics or religion. They will find the right answer. But, environmentalists aren't always willing to wait 300 years for the final answer. sometimes you really must make a leap of faith based on the evidence before you and make your best guess, before its too late for action. as you must know.
It's not an easy issue, and my guess it never shall be. should we just sit on it for a while? nah.
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needs to get out moreAuthor
The Holy See can appear quite contrary:
http://www.planktos.com/Newsroom/VaticanbecomesWorldsFirstCarbonNeutralSovereignState.html
San Francisco -- July 12, 2007 -- By agreement with the Vatican, Planktos/KlimaFa is now pleased and honored to announce that the Vatican plans to become the world's first entirely carbon neutral sovereign state, and it has accepted KlimaFa ecorestoration offsets to achieve this historic goal. In a brief ceremony on July 5th the Vatican declared that it had gratefully accepted KlimaFa's offer to create a new Vatican Climate Forest in Europe that will initially offset all of the Vatican City State's CO2 emissions for this year.
His Most Reverend Eminence Cardinal Paul Poupard presided at the event and stated, ?As President of the Pontifical Council of Culture; I am honored to receive this donation from the leaders of Planktos-Klimafa. This donation means an entire section of a national park in central Europe will be reforested. In this way, the Vatican will do its small part in contributing to the elimination of polluting emissions from CO2 which is threatening the survival of this planet.
"As the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, had recently stated, the international community needs to respect and encourage a ?Green Culture,? characterized by ethical values. The Book of Genesis tells us of a beginning in which God placed man as guardian over the earth to make it fruitful. When man forgets that he is a faithful servant of this earth, it becomes a desert that threatens the survival of all creation?"
Pope Benedict XVI's inspiring guidance strongly reinforces an increasing Vatican environmental concern articulated by Pope John Paul II in his 2001 Blueprint for the New Millennium, "How can we remain indifferent to the prospect of an ecological crisis which is making vast areas of our planet uninhabitable and hostile to humanity?" Cardinal Renato Raffaele Martino, head of the Pontifical Council of Justice and Peace, reaffirmed this warning at Vatican Conference on Climate Change and Development this April, "For environment ... read Creation? Man must cultivate and safeguard God's Creation."
According to Planktos CEO and KlimaFa Managing Director, Russ George, "the Holy See's increasingly creative environmental leadership is both insightful and profound. Not only is the Vatican steadily reducing its carbon footprint with energy efficiency and solar power, its choice of new mixed growth forests to offset the balance of its emissions shows a deep commitment to planetary stewardship as well. It eloquently makes the point that ecorestoration is a fitting climate change solution for a culture of life."
Dr. David Gazdag, KlimaFa's Managing Director in Budapest, added, "We believe this Climate Forest initiative clearly reflects the Vatican's deep commitment to both environmental healing and the welfare of the poor. Besides their local ecological and global climatic benefits, these projects offer many rewarding new eco-forestry jobs to struggling rural communities and increasing eco-tourism employment opportunities as these beautiful woodlands mature."
The new Vatican Climate Forest will be created in Hungary's B?kk National Park under the auspices of the KlimaFa Climate Parks program. Its dimensions will be determined by the Vatican?s 2007 energy usage and the success of its current emission reduction efforts. KlimaFa has received EU JI Track 1 approval to plant thousands of hectares of new native species, mixed growth forests under the permanent protection of European national park systems. Its initial projects are being conducted in collaboration with Hungary's government, Academy of Sciences and National Parks Directorate.
Planktos/KlimaFa has further committed to work with the Vatican and the Pontifical Council of Culture to develop methods to calculate the CO2 emissions of individual Catholic churches and offer ecorestoration options to turn their carbon footprints green.
http://www.planktos.com/Newsroom/VaticanbecomesWorldsFirstCarbonNeutralSovereignState.html
San Francisco -- July 12, 2007 -- By agreement with the Vatican, Planktos/KlimaFa is now pleased and honored to announce that the Vatican plans to become the world's first entirely carbon neutral sovereign state, and it has accepted KlimaFa ecorestoration offsets to achieve this historic goal. In a brief ceremony on July 5th the Vatican declared that it had gratefully accepted KlimaFa's offer to create a new Vatican Climate Forest in Europe that will initially offset all of the Vatican City State's CO2 emissions for this year.
His Most Reverend Eminence Cardinal Paul Poupard presided at the event and stated, ?As President of the Pontifical Council of Culture; I am honored to receive this donation from the leaders of Planktos-Klimafa. This donation means an entire section of a national park in central Europe will be reforested. In this way, the Vatican will do its small part in contributing to the elimination of polluting emissions from CO2 which is threatening the survival of this planet.
"As the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, had recently stated, the international community needs to respect and encourage a ?Green Culture,? characterized by ethical values. The Book of Genesis tells us of a beginning in which God placed man as guardian over the earth to make it fruitful. When man forgets that he is a faithful servant of this earth, it becomes a desert that threatens the survival of all creation?"
Pope Benedict XVI's inspiring guidance strongly reinforces an increasing Vatican environmental concern articulated by Pope John Paul II in his 2001 Blueprint for the New Millennium, "How can we remain indifferent to the prospect of an ecological crisis which is making vast areas of our planet uninhabitable and hostile to humanity?" Cardinal Renato Raffaele Martino, head of the Pontifical Council of Justice and Peace, reaffirmed this warning at Vatican Conference on Climate Change and Development this April, "For environment ... read Creation? Man must cultivate and safeguard God's Creation."
According to Planktos CEO and KlimaFa Managing Director, Russ George, "the Holy See's increasingly creative environmental leadership is both insightful and profound. Not only is the Vatican steadily reducing its carbon footprint with energy efficiency and solar power, its choice of new mixed growth forests to offset the balance of its emissions shows a deep commitment to planetary stewardship as well. It eloquently makes the point that ecorestoration is a fitting climate change solution for a culture of life."
Dr. David Gazdag, KlimaFa's Managing Director in Budapest, added, "We believe this Climate Forest initiative clearly reflects the Vatican's deep commitment to both environmental healing and the welfare of the poor. Besides their local ecological and global climatic benefits, these projects offer many rewarding new eco-forestry jobs to struggling rural communities and increasing eco-tourism employment opportunities as these beautiful woodlands mature."
The new Vatican Climate Forest will be created in Hungary's B?kk National Park under the auspices of the KlimaFa Climate Parks program. Its dimensions will be determined by the Vatican?s 2007 energy usage and the success of its current emission reduction efforts. KlimaFa has received EU JI Track 1 approval to plant thousands of hectares of new native species, mixed growth forests under the permanent protection of European national park systems. Its initial projects are being conducted in collaboration with Hungary's government, Academy of Sciences and National Parks Directorate.
Planktos/KlimaFa has further committed to work with the Vatican and the Pontifical Council of Culture to develop methods to calculate the CO2 emissions of individual Catholic churches and offer ecorestoration options to turn their carbon footprints green.
Skunky
Tootsie, you seriously don't think there are global climate change doomsday prophets out there?
SoWal Guide
contrary, JohnR? I think not. this dude has a massive brain and is progressive in many ways. apparently, he was the man behind many of John Paul II's research and writings.. though JP did have his own brilliance.
"As the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, had recently stated, the international community needs to respect and encourage a ?Green Culture,? characterized by ethical values. The Book of Genesis tells us of a beginning in which God placed man as guardian over the earth to make it fruitful. When man forgets that he is a faithful servant of this earth, it becomes a desert that threatens the survival of all creation?"
these papal dudes have been saying such for decades.
"As the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, had recently stated, the international community needs to respect and encourage a ?Green Culture,? characterized by ethical values. The Book of Genesis tells us of a beginning in which God placed man as guardian over the earth to make it fruitful. When man forgets that he is a faithful servant of this earth, it becomes a desert that threatens the survival of all creation?"
these papal dudes have been saying such for decades.
SoWal Guide
Tootsie, you seriously don't think there are global climate change doomsday prophets out there?
of course they are out there - but not sure why this particular wording was used. Pope Ben never said we should not take global warming seriously. he never even talked about doomsday prophets. this article is radically different from what he actually said.
don't know what The Daily Mail was trying to spin, but these were his actual words:
Humanity today is rightly concerned about the ecological balance of tomorrow. It is important for assessments in this regard to be carried out prudently, in dialogue with experts and people of wisdom, uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions, and above all with the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting environmental balances.
If the protection of the environment involves costs, they should be justly distributed, taking due account of the different levels of development of various countries and the need for solidarity with future generations.
Prudence does not mean failing to accept responsibilities and postponing decisions; it means being committed to making joint decisions after pondering responsibly the road to be taken.
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Skunky
of course they are out there - but not sure why this particular wording was used. Pope Ben never said we should not take global warming seriously. he never even talked about doomsday prophets. this article is radically different from what he actually said.
don't know what The Daily Mail was trying to spin, but these were his actual words:
Humanity today is rightly concerned about the ecological balance of tomorrow. It is important for assessments in this regard to be carried out prudently, in dialogue with experts and people of wisdom, uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions, and above all with the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting environmental balances.
If the protection of the environment involves costs, they should be justly distributed, taking due account of the different levels of development of various countries and the need for solidarity with future generations.
Prudence does not mean failing to accept responsibilities and postponing decisions; it means being committed to making joint decisions after pondering responsibly the road to be taken.
OK, point taken that The Mail may have enhanced the words, but I think that his language "assessments...be carried out prudently...uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions" is pope-speak for "beware of apocalyptic soothsayers in green sandwich boards".
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SoWal Guide
OK, point taken that The Mail may have enhanced the words, but I think that his language "assessments...be carried out prudently...uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions" is pope-speak for "beware of apocalyptic soothsayers in green sandwich boards".
okay. agreed. he is definitely saying proceed with caution. and make joint decisions. I can buy that. but, can america? we're like children who can never accept that anything bad can happen to us... consequences don't apply here.. I like all my toys and I want more.. whatever happens in asia or africa has nothing to do with me.. they are all going to hail anyway..
Prudence does not mean failing to accept responsibilities and postponing decisions; it means being committed to making joint decisions after pondering responsibly the road to be taken
SWGB
I like the Popes idea of making the Vatican carbon nuetral, but is there a way to make something carbon negative. In otherwords not contributing to carbon pollution and possibly removing some in the process?
SoWal Expert
Why is it so hard to recycle, even a little bit? Keep a few bins in the garage, outside, wherever, and sort them once a week. There are recycle trailers all over the place. This is such an easy thing to do to at least help with taking care of the planet- my family does not have an option. We just do it, because it is the right thing to do. How does one exist in today's world and not be at least a little concerned or at least curious about the information coming out about global warming? Or the amount of trash we are generating and where it is going?
I was raised in a church-attending, politically conservative household. Taking care of our planet was NOT considered a "lefty" ideal. It was considered a Christian ideal. We learned in Sunday school that God gave us this planet and we should take care of it. Everyone in our town recycled as soon as they could find places to take glass bottles, newspapers, etc. Our classrooms had recycling bins. Now, my family is not totally green, but we are evolving and working on it! We have gas eating cars, we generate too much garbage, we don't recycle enough- but we recognize this and are working on it.
Thankfully a whole generation of children are becoming more aware and at least will consider taking care of their "house". Change for the better is always a good thing.
I was raised in a church-attending, politically conservative household. Taking care of our planet was NOT considered a "lefty" ideal. It was considered a Christian ideal. We learned in Sunday school that God gave us this planet and we should take care of it. Everyone in our town recycled as soon as they could find places to take glass bottles, newspapers, etc. Our classrooms had recycling bins. Now, my family is not totally green, but we are evolving and working on it! We have gas eating cars, we generate too much garbage, we don't recycle enough- but we recognize this and are working on it.
Thankfully a whole generation of children are becoming more aware and at least will consider taking care of their "house". Change for the better is always a good thing.
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SoWal Guide
jdarg and all - remember the Keep America Beautiful (litter, pollution) campaigns and PSAs in the 70's?
we thought we were such saints by NOT throwing bags of trash out of the car.. a national past time before then. it was a start..
YouTube - crying native
we thought we were such saints by NOT throwing bags of trash out of the car.. a national past time before then. it was a start..
YouTube - crying native
SoWal Expert
jdarg and all - remember the Keep America Beautiful (litter, pollution) campaigns and PSAs in the 70's?
we thought we were such saints by NOT throwing bags of trash out of the car.. a national past time before then. it was a start..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k197LOJof9Q
Once it was patriotic to keep America beautiful. Now it is political.Skunky
OK, just for fun, what political group endorses the fuglification of the planet? And Tootsie, if there is another country that pours more aid into Africa and Asia, I would like to know who that would be.
SoWal Guide
OK, just for fun, what political group endorses the fuglification of the planet? And Tootsie, if there is another country that pours more aid into Africa and Asia, I would like to know who that would be.
skunky - sorry - I wasn't talking about aid. I was talking about americans (individually) and thinking only of themselves, as small children tend to do (egocentric).
SoWal Expert
skunky - sorry - I wasn't talking about aid. I was talking about americans (individually) and thinking only of themselves, as small children tend to do (egocentric).
Yes, thank you. That is what I meant.
needs to get out moreAuthor
OK, just for fun, what political group endorses the fuglification of the planet? And Tootsie, if there is another country that pours more aid into Africa and Asia, I would like to know who that would be.
Just for fun:
there's a party that's advocated drilling closer to the coast of fla, selling off the national forests a piece at a time, drilling in ANWR, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure it's not the dems, libertarians, or the greens.
this looks like a pretty fugly list to me:
Park Service spending millions more on Yellowstone snowmobiling study (08/10/05)
Bush administration forges ahead with plans to privatize public agencies (05/10/05)
More pollution at national parks promised by Bush drilling juggernaut (01/28/05)
Park Service accused of bending drilling rules for Texas oil company (11/15/04)
Advisory board faults Park Service science (10/28/04)
Snowmobiles revving up for Yellowstone again (10/15/04)
Park Service issues new snowmobile plan for Yellowstone (08/19/04)
Bush administration rejects another new park (06/01/04)
Budget cuts hurting national parks, reports watchdog group (05/28/04)
Park Service seeks delay in Yellowstone snowmobile decision (05/28/04)
EPA air experts accuse Bush administration of altering science (04/29/04)
New "quieter" snowmobiles damage employee hearing in Yellowstone (04/20/04)
Yellowstone bison slaughtered to please ranchers (03/31/04)
BLM reconsiders energy development at Dinosaur Monument (03/25/04)
Budget cuts crippling national park system (03/16/04)
Snowmobiles return to Yellowstone . . . for now (03/10/04)
Bison slaughter continues at Yellowstone (03/04/04)
More drilling slated for Padre Island (02/27/04)
EPA lets power plants pollute Theodore Roosevelt National Park (02/13/04)
To snowmobile or not to snowmobile? That (still) is the question (02/10/04)
Park Service says 'Let 'em snowmobile' in Yellowstone (12/11/03)
Park Service workers speak out against Bush policies (11/13/03)
Park Service spending less than promised (08/21/03)
President making empty promises on parks funding, critics say (08/15/03)
Criticism forces NPS not to raid Mount Rainier repair funds (07/24/03)
Bush pushing to privatize park service (07/15/03)
EPA concerned about Yellowstone snowmobiles (06/21/03)
Park Service opens Maryland seashore to Jet Skis (05/30/03)
National security, privatization put chokehold on funding for parks (05/18/03)
Park Service pushes for personal watercraft on Lake Powell (05/13/03)
Bush administration attacks world heritage status of Yellowstone (04/07/03)
Bush administration looking to privatize park service jobs (04/04/03)
Bush administration giving away federal water rights in national park (04/03/03)
National Park Service officially adopts snowmobile plan (03/25/03)
National Park Service sends Yellowstone bison to slaughter (03/04/03)
National Park Service overturns ban on snowmobiles in national parks (02/20/03)
Bush snowmobile decision defies logic, not to mention scientific findings (01/30/03)
Interior Department may privatize National Park Service (01/27/03)
Despite scientific concerns, Interior Department approves power plant near Yellowstone (01/10/03)
Bush administration paves way for new roads in parks, wilderness (01/06/03)
Bush administration opens national park to drilling (11/22/02)
Bush administration reverses snowmobile ban for national parks (11/12/02)
Bush officials intervened to silence objections to coal plant near Mammoth Cave National Park (11/09/02)
Bush approves bill to enlarge California recreation area (10/09/02)
Yosemite park official resigns in protest (10/03/02)
National Park Service removes controversial ranger (09/17/02)
EPA backs off issuing strong antipollution standards for off-road vehicles (09/13/02)
Park Service temporarily bans personal watercraft on Nevada lakes (09/06/02)
Interior Department allows more air pollution at national park (08/22/02)
Corps of Engineers' plan threatens to pollute Florida Everglades (05/03/02)
Snowmobile ban dealt another blow (02/19/02)
Park snowmobile phase-out delayed (02/05/02)
Snowmobile ban unlikely to be implemented in Yellowstone and Grand Teton (12/10/01)
Voyageurs National Park reopening areas to snowmobiles (11/29/01)
Bush administration shutting down Everglades restoration office (11/06/01)
Bush pledges improvements to maintenance of national parks (05/31/01)
EPA moves ahead with Clinton-era rule that will reduce haze over wildlands (05/29/01)
Yellowstone snowmobile ban goes into effect, but perhaps not for long (04/23/01)
ymmv
Beach Fanatic
Hey John R.
All of those things you posted will cause a reduction in the number of hurricanes in Florida which we all know to be bad if we are to collect our government evacuation checks. I vote for less snowmobiling in state parks and more hurricanes in Florida. Who's with me?
All of those things you posted will cause a reduction in the number of hurricanes in Florida which we all know to be bad if we are to collect our government evacuation checks. I vote for less snowmobiling in state parks and more hurricanes in Florida. Who's with me?
needs to get out moreAuthor
I just read that we can help reduce the chance hurricanes even more by riding around with heat on and the windows open. I'm going to use my $56 check from the most thought out amendment 1, to fuel my vehicle to help the cause.
Skunky
Just for fun:
there's a party that's advocated drilling closer to the coast of fla, selling off the national forests a piece at a time, drilling in ANWR, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure it's not the dems, libertarians, or the greens.
this looks like a pretty fugly list to me:
Park Service spending millions more on Yellowstone snowmobiling study (08/10/05)
Bush administration forges ahead with plans to privatize public agencies (05/10/05)
More pollution at national parks promised by Bush drilling juggernaut (01/28/05)
Park Service accused of bending drilling rules for Texas oil company (11/15/04)
Advisory board faults Park Service science (10/28/04)
Snowmobiles revving up for Yellowstone again (10/15/04)
Park Service issues new snowmobile plan for Yellowstone (08/19/04)
Bush administration rejects another new park (06/01/04)
Budget cuts hurting national parks, reports watchdog group (05/28/04)
Park Service seeks delay in Yellowstone snowmobile decision (05/28/04)
EPA air experts accuse Bush administration of altering science (04/29/04)
New "quieter" snowmobiles damage employee hearing in Yellowstone (04/20/04)
Yellowstone bison slaughtered to please ranchers (03/31/04)
BLM reconsiders energy development at Dinosaur Monument (03/25/04)
Budget cuts crippling national park system (03/16/04)
Snowmobiles return to Yellowstone . . . for now (03/10/04)
Bison slaughter continues at Yellowstone (03/04/04)
More drilling slated for Padre Island (02/27/04)
EPA lets power plants pollute Theodore Roosevelt National Park (02/13/04)
To snowmobile or not to snowmobile? That (still) is the question (02/10/04)
Park Service says 'Let 'em snowmobile' in Yellowstone (12/11/03)
Park Service workers speak out against Bush policies (11/13/03)
Park Service spending less than promised (08/21/03)
President making empty promises on parks funding, critics say (08/15/03)
Criticism forces NPS not to raid Mount Rainier repair funds (07/24/03)
Bush pushing to privatize park service (07/15/03)
EPA concerned about Yellowstone snowmobiles (06/21/03)
Park Service opens Maryland seashore to Jet Skis (05/30/03)
National security, privatization put chokehold on funding for parks (05/18/03)
Park Service pushes for personal watercraft on Lake Powell (05/13/03)
Bush administration attacks world heritage status of Yellowstone (04/07/03)
Bush administration looking to privatize park service jobs (04/04/03)
Bush administration giving away federal water rights in national park (04/03/03)
National Park Service officially adopts snowmobile plan (03/25/03)
National Park Service sends Yellowstone bison to slaughter (03/04/03)
National Park Service overturns ban on snowmobiles in national parks (02/20/03)
Bush snowmobile decision defies logic, not to mention scientific findings (01/30/03)
Interior Department may privatize National Park Service (01/27/03)
Despite scientific concerns, Interior Department approves power plant near Yellowstone (01/10/03)
Bush administration paves way for new roads in parks, wilderness (01/06/03)
Bush administration opens national park to drilling (11/22/02)
Bush administration reverses snowmobile ban for national parks (11/12/02)
Bush officials intervened to silence objections to coal plant near Mammoth Cave National Park (11/09/02)
Bush approves bill to enlarge California recreation area (10/09/02)
Yosemite park official resigns in protest (10/03/02)
National Park Service removes controversial ranger (09/17/02)
EPA backs off issuing strong antipollution standards for off-road vehicles (09/13/02)
Park Service temporarily bans personal watercraft on Nevada lakes (09/06/02)
Interior Department allows more air pollution at national park (08/22/02)
Corps of Engineers' plan threatens to pollute Florida Everglades (05/03/02)
Snowmobile ban dealt another blow (02/19/02)
Park snowmobile phase-out delayed (02/05/02)
Snowmobile ban unlikely to be implemented in Yellowstone and Grand Teton (12/10/01)
Voyageurs National Park reopening areas to snowmobiles (11/29/01)
Bush administration shutting down Everglades restoration office (11/06/01)
Bush pledges improvements to maintenance of national parks (05/31/01)
EPA moves ahead with Clinton-era rule that will reduce haze over wildlands (05/29/01)
Yellowstone snowmobile ban goes into effect, but perhaps not for long (04/23/01)
ymmv
Bush does not=a party. And our good old evil polluting country is still way cleaner than any other that produces so much stuff.
needs to get out moreAuthor
no W is too stupid, it's the $$ that's driving him. And, I don't think the parks service is taking it upon themselves to make all these moves.
regarding our garbage. of course it's cleaner here, we ship our most hazardous stuff elsewhere.
remember, just for fun... it sure is fun calling W stupid though.
regarding our garbage. of course it's cleaner here, we ship our most hazardous stuff elsewhere.
remember, just for fun... it sure is fun calling W stupid though.
SoWal Expert
Bush does not=a party. And our good old evil polluting country is still way cleaner than any other that produces so much stuff.
I love that you posted this on my computer and John R was sitting 5 feet away.
:funn:Oh Skunky, I'm gonna have to lock my dam keyboard.
SoWal Guide
no W is too stupid, it's the $$ that's driving him. And, I don't think the parks service is taking it upon themselves to make all these moves.
regarding our garbage. of course it's cleaner here, we ship our most hazardous stuff elsewhere.
remember, just for fun... it sure is fun calling W stupid though.
you are entirely too kind JohnR. seriously. I like moron better. where is that sticker? I love it.
needs to get out moreAuthor
Beach Fanatic
I see one of Gore's pals disputes the findings that global warming may decrease the number of hurricanes by saying "hurricane trends are difficult to study because the number of hurricanes naturally rises and falls over decades." According to this London Scholar, "this makes it hard to tell whether a trend is caused by natural variations or climate." Whew - thank God temperature has been constant over the last 15 billion years, otherwise, we would have all thought it a "natural variation" and Al Gore a kook.
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