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PoppaJ avatar
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#5127
Amazing how trump, Mr. “Best Memory,” doesn’t know Sondland, a man he took calls from and apparently talked to frequently.
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#5128
We we’re following the president’s orders.
Gordon Sondland

Could this be the reason some republicans left during Sondland’s testimony, to get orders from the WH?
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SoWal Insider
#5129
There was quid pro quo
Gordon Sondland
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#5130
He thinks yesterday was a good day for him (Volker and Morrison), and so do his supporters. If that's a good day I'd hate to see a bad day.
Wow, I think I know what a bad day is! :popcorn:
PoppaJ avatar
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#5131
Would someone please inform the dumbass republicans that “drug deal” was just a metaphor.
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#5132
When did Richard Reid blow up the airplane? How many were killed in the explosion that didn’t happen? Why was he convicted when he did nothing wrong? It was a perfect flight with passengers comfortably shod.
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#5133
I’m starting to doubt Nancy will ever bring it to a vote it’s going so badly. Even if she does, the end result will be total exoneration. Much like election 2016
Dems will not accept the results and snowflakes will melt. :popcorn:
Laughable.
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#5134
On Foxnews.com, Ken Starr is saying Sondland's testimony makes this one of those "bombshell days". I know from his earlier statements that this was enough to change his minds. One of the takeaways is more clear evidence of obstruction due to the fact that Sondland was denied access to information he felt he needed in order to provide thorough testimony. Starr is still not all in on impeachment, but you can bet that the house is. The video is onl 3 minutes long and worth a watch.

Ken Starr on Gordon Sondland's impeachment hearing testimony: 'One of those bombshell days'
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#5135
Nunes just read into the record a debunked, “Pants On Fire” lie about whistleblower rule change and back dating.

I agree with Fdx
Why lie?

Also today I counted four times Republicans wanted entered into the record statements from people who refuse to be placed under oath.
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SoWal Insider
#5136
"They all were in the loop". Music to my ears!
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#5137
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[URL='https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump']Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump[/URL]

Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America. Today Nancy Pelosi closed Congress because she doesn’t care about American Workers!
5:18 PM · Nov 20, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
How could trump open a plant that has been open since 2013?

Once again I agree with Fdx.
Why lie?
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#5138
"They all were in the loop". Music to my ears!
I see him as a John Dean who hasn't completely come clean, fully implicating himself in the process.
PoppaJ avatar
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#5139
Just a little clarification on Republican hoopla of the javelin missile sale.

Far From the Front Lines, Javelin Missiles Go Unused in Ukraine

But as part of the agreement of the sale, the Javelins are not deployed on the battlefield but stored hundreds of miles away in western Ukraine—far from the front lines of the Donbass, which could radically diminish their deterrent effect, said Mike Carpenter, who served as the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia and Eurasia under Obama.
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#5140
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#5141
I also find it hard to believe that people just accept that you can hear both sides of a phone call three thousand -- or five thousand miles away.
Brian Kilmeade
:doh:
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#5142
Brian Kilmeade
:doh:

So he didn't hear the backstory that Trump was speaking in his helicopter voice?
PoppaJ avatar
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#5143
Are our resident Forever Trumpers delayed this evening waiting on their talking points?
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#5144
Are our resident Forever Trumpers delayed this evening waiting on their talking points?
Sadly, I think that they feel this is the day that gets Trump completely off the hook, if you can believe that!:floor:

Sometimes non-verbal communication is the best.

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#5145
No surprise, we knew this all along.

'It doesn't matter': House Republicans embrace 'quid pro quo'

After saying they could not accept a quid pro quo, House Republicans say it no longer matters if President Trump tied $400 million in military aid earmarked for Ukraine to Kyiv agreeing to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden.

The evolving Republican position on impeachment comes as key witnesses testify publicly about allegations Trump abused his power in dealings with Ukraine, with some government officials lending credibility to accusations by House Democrats that the president demanded a quid pro quo of Kyiv. When the claims first surfaced in a whistleblower complaint, Republicans said that, if true, they might be forced to consider impeaching Trump.

That's off.
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#5146
Republicans, “It’s is not extortion because the Ukrainians didn’t realize they were being extorted.”

Phone Scammers everywhere, “Praise Jesus for Republicans!”
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#5147
Nunes lied again claiming the accused during the Spanish Inquisition were treated better because they could face their accuser. History.com says he’s lying, but we knew that because lying is all he has.
Those accused of heresy were forced to testify. If the heretic did not confess, torture and execution were inescapable. Heretics weren’t allowed to face accusers, received no counsel, and were often victims of false accusations.
https://www.history.com/topics/religion/inquisition
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Beach Fanatic
#5148
Teflon Don. Mueller. Nada. Ukraine. Nada. The State of NY will get his tax returns and show how little taxes he has paid, who he has paid off, bankruptcy bail outs etc. Nada.

I truly think that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. He looks like he is toast, but the Senate will note vote impeachment.

The question is, does impeachment help Dems election wise at a state election level? I think so, but I do not see the benefit for the White House race. Unfortunately I think Cheeto gets reelected. Amazing.
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#5149
Teflon Don. Mueller. Nada. Ukraine. Nada. The State of NY will get his tax returns and show how little taxes he has paid, who he has paid off, bankruptcy bail outs etc. Nada.

I truly think that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. He looks like he is toast, but the Senate will note vote impeachment.

The question is, does impeachment help Dems election wise at a state election level? I think so, but I do not see the benefit for the White House race. Unfortunately I think Cheeto gets reelected. Amazing.

He could get reelected, but I don't think impeachment will hurt the Dems in the Presidential election even without removal. I do think that if they either vote not to impeach, or fail at the impeachment vote, then that will hurt their chances at the presidency.
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#5150
Wow.@RepMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."

Game over.
Beach Lover
#5151
Laura Cooper, a deputy assistant secretary of defense, testified Wednesday that her staff received indications Ukraine may have been aware that U.S. aid was being withheld as early as August or even July 25 -- the date of President Trump's momentous phone call with Ukraine's leader, in which the president mentioned an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden's dealings there.

At the same time, Cooper said she was under the impression the aid was restricted simply due to the Trump administration's concerns over "corruption" in Ukraine. Cooper testified she was never provided any other explanation for the hold, though others have asserted it was tied to the effort to extract an investigation of the Bidens.

Similarly, top State Department official David Hale, sitting alongside Cooper, testified that he was unaware of any "nefarious" motive by the Trump administration in withholding the aid. He said financial assistance to several other countries was withheld as well.

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