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#5152
Laura Cooper, a deputy assistant secretary of defense, testified Wednesday that her staff received indications Ukraine may have been aware that U.S. aid was being withheld as early as August or even July 25 -- the date of President Trump's momentous phone call with Ukraine's leader, in which the president mentioned an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden's dealings there.

At the same time, Cooper said she was under the impression the aid was restricted simply due to the Trump administration's concerns over "corruption" in Ukraine. Cooper testified she was never provided any other explanation for the hold, though others have asserted it was tied to the effort to extract an investigation of the Bidens.

Similarly, top State Department official David Hale, sitting alongside Cooper, testified that he was unaware of any "nefarious" motive by the Trump administration in withholding the aid. He said financial assistance to several other countries was withheld as well.

:floor::floor::floor:They know better now! Yes, at the time they were unaware of any "nefarious motives". Today EVERYBODY knows!!!:floor::floor::floor:
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#5153
:floor::floor::floor:They know better now! Yes, at the time they were unaware of any "nefarious motives". Today EVERYBODY knows!!!:floor::floor::floor:
She testified today.
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#5154
The day the whistleblower who we pretend we dont know met President Barry Soetoro.

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#5155
She testified today.


I'll explain it yet again. She testified about what her thoughts were months ago. No one is expected in testimony to give their evolving views on whether or not there was bribery knowing what they know now, unless perhaps they were a legal expert or constitutional scholar. That's what this whole impeachment is about. It's about the house making a judgement about whether there were abuses of power, bribery, extortion, quid pro quo and others by the president. It is not to be expected of fact witnesses who were in the dark at the time of our president's impeachable offenses. The bogus explanation that the hold up was due to the concern with corruption isn't likely to fly when you total up all the evidence and testimony. It's not like fact witnesses, oblivious to Trump's corrupt intent, can somehow get him off the hook.

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#5156
The day the whistleblower who we pretend we dont know met President Barry Soetoro.


Well that just bolsters the case for Trump's innocence, right?
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#5157
In blockbuster testimony hours earlier, Sondland tied top Trump administration officials to a “potential quid pro quo” involving U.S. military aid to Ukraine and investigations desired by the president, but he acknowledged under cross-examination from Republicans that he never heard that from Trump -- saying he was making presumptions and the president expressly rejected any such arrangement. :floor:
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#5158
The question is, does impeachment help Dems election wise at a state election level? I think so, but I do not see the benefit for the White House race. Unfortunately I think Cheeto gets reelected. Amazing.

The "impeachment" is to feed red meat to the rabid Democrats, mainly to keep them engergized (less demoralized) and so they have a little trophy that they can be proud of and share with their fellow crazies. Kind of like the mentality of 6 year old coed flag football where everybody gets a trophy win or lose.

As for helping at the state level? This has been Trump's to lose, and I think its 50/50 at best. He has not built the wall, immigration numbers are higher than when Barry Soetoro was POTUS, and we don't know what this economy/currency will do between now and a year from now. Couple that with the massive, organized illegal immigrant voter registration going on I predict that Florida, Georgia, NC, maybeeeee Texas could go blue in 2020. Plus, I still think a more centrist blue player will jump in by February to grab the nomination.

My 2 cents :)
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#5159
Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, had claimed earlier this year that he did not father a child with an Arkansas woman while he was living with the widow of his deceased brother. Biden even agreed to take a DNA test to prove that he was not the father.

The results from the DNA test were released on Wednesday, and they reportedly show that Biden is the father of the child.
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#5160
In blockbuster testimony hours earlier, Sondland tied top Trump administration officials to a “potential quid pro quo” involving U.S. military aid to Ukraine and investigations desired by the president, but he acknowledged under cross-examination from Republicans that he never heard that from Trump -- saying he was making presumptions and the president expressly rejected any such arrangement. :floor:

Right, and when you take all the information from all the different sources, including the President himself, there is no need to presume. Sondland did way more to hurt Trump's case than to help it.
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#5161
Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, had claimed earlier this year that he did not father a child with an Arkansas woman while he was living with the widow of his deceased brother. Biden even agreed to take a DNA test to prove that he was not the father.

The results from the DNA test were released on Wednesday, and they reportedly show that Biden is the father of the child.

And the hits keep on coming...I bet Maury Povich is pissed this was not revealed on his show.

"They" are taking down the Bidens.
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#5162
Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, had claimed earlier this year that he did not father a child with an Arkansas woman while he was living with the widow of his deceased brother. Biden even agreed to take a DNA test to prove that he was not the father.

The results from the DNA test were released on Wednesday, and they reportedly show that Biden is the father of the child.

Really, then I guess that means Trump is exonerated in the Ukraine scandal.
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#5163
Well I see you Forever Trumpers finally got your talking points.:floor:
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#5164
Well I see you Forever Trumpers finally got your talking points.:floor:

Drifter is just looking to add items to is conspiracy yarn board. This all ties in with Hillary's emails.
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#5165
I would have a little more respect for these Dems if they would just have one day of "hearings" and call Trump names and go on about how he has hurt their feelings and have their "impeachment" vote. We knew that night in 2018 that the Dems won the House what would happen. Just have your vote and let's get back to American Greatness.

But that would be violating a cardinal rule in DC: never underestimate the lengths that Congresspeople will go to get on TV.
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#5166
Uh uh Leader. You preached "Russian collusion" for more than two years. I get to promote UFOs, Bigfoot, Freemasons as much as I want, my conspiracy comrade.
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#5167
The winner for me today was Jackie Speier’s trump daily five Pinocchios come back.:bow:
Republicans think they can convince America they are concerned with lying and corruption when they are water bearers for a lying corrupt piece of human sht.
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#5168
Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, had claimed earlier this year that he did not father a child with an Arkansas woman while he was living with the widow of his deceased brother. Biden even agreed to take a DNA test to prove that he was not the father.

The results from the DNA test were released on Wednesday, and they reportedly show that Biden is the father of the child.
And trump raped a woman in a dressing room.:dunno: WTF does this have to do with anything?
Let’s see if he pulls a trump and denies it, pays her $150,000 to keep quiet and lies about it, call her horse face, rage tweets about it being a witch hunt, blames republicans and the media or does he take responsibility and acknowledge he is the father.
Which one do you believe would be the better man?:popcorn:

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#5169
Wow.@RepMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."

Game over.
trump fixer Michael Cohen on trump method of communication. Thinking people understand this and, as Sondland stated, can “put two and two together.”
He doesn’t give you questions, he doesn’t give you orders, he speaks in a code. And I understand the code, because I’ve been around him for a decade
The racist dog whistling he does is code, but the same conspiracy theorist Forever Trump cult doesn’t hear it because he doesn’t actually say the “N” word. In a simpler term, self gaslighting.

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#5170
It's a pretty weak process without public sworn testimony from Pompeo, Bolton, and Trump.
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#5171
trump fixer Michael Cohen on trump method of communication. Thinking people understand this and, as Sondland stated, can “put two and two together.”

The racist dog whistling he does is code, but the same conspiracy theorist Forever Trump cult does hear it because he doesn’t actually say the “N” word. In a simpler term, self gaslighting.
That's precisely it. Cohen knew this. All mafioso dons talk in code because they always think somebody is listening, and they damn sure know what they are doing is illegal and immoral.
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#5172
That's precisely it. Cohen knew this. All mafioso dons talk in code because they always think somebody is listening, and they damn sure know what they are doing is illegal and immoral.
And trump, one of the most immoral men to ever exist, knew the proverbial cat was out of the bag when he said it. trumper cult will not acknowledge there is an actual time line to events.
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#5173
And trump, one of the most immoral men to ever exist, knew the proverbial cat was out of the bag when he said it. trumper cult will not acknowledge there is an actual time line to events.
But,but...he uses the best words...believe me.
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#5174
It's a pretty weak process without public sworn testimony from Pompeo, Bolton, and Trump.
I disagreed with Schiff yesterday allowing reading into the record statements from subpoenaed witnesses who refuse to appear. Fck um, got something to say? put on your big kid pants and show up and say it under oath like Sondland did.
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#5175
And trump raped a woman in a dressing room.:dunno: WTF does this have to do with anything?
Let’s see if he pulls a trump and denies it, pays her $150,000 to keep quiet and lies about it, call her horse face, rage tweets about it being a witch hunt, blames republicans and the media or does he take responsibility and acknowledge he is the father.
Which one do you believe would be the better man?:popcorn:
When was Trump convicted of Rape?
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#5176
I disagreed with Schiff yesterday allowing reading into the record statements from subpoenaed witnesses who refuse to appear. Fck um, got something to say? put on your big kid pants and show up and say it under oath like Sondland did.

And what did Sondland say:
It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” said Sondland. “So I typed out a text to Ambassador Taylor:clap:

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