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I wouldn't classify mputnal as a troll, they are usually anonymous and hide their true identities like happy2mouthflap.

I said mputnal was “beginning to sound like a troll” with his fixation on one particular sexual assault, that was far far afield from the core issues of these times and this presidential campaign. A typical troll tactic even though he might not actually have achieved trolldom.

Lvt, let me try again to make the point. If this doesn't work then one of us are not listening. I want Biden to win this thing and Make America Better. To be a better America there are many core issues. Lets start with Hillary losing an election that she should have won. Everyone has an opinion why she lost. Many believe that she lost because of how society objectifies women. Racism and oppression of African Americans is a core issue. We agree. Sexism, misogyny and oppression of women is a core issue. Do we agree? Our Hope for a Better America should not dismiss one over the other. Why? In my case I have two daughters and a granddaughter and I want the best for them of course. Now back to Jacob Blake and his criminal record. Do you believe that he should get a pass for his bad character. If so, I strongly disagree. Biden's phone call to Jacob Blake under the existing circumstances was appropriate. However, in my opinion it was inappropriate for Biden to not also make a phone call to the sexual assault victim. If you disagree I completely understand but I believe it was a missed opportunity to address two very important core issues. Even if I wanted to try and find a reason to vote for Trump over Biden it would not be possible. Again, the point is a Better America not whether or not to vote for Biden or Trump. Your use of the word troll or troll tactic or trolldom is inappropriate. I use my name. You know who I am. I am not hiding under a bridge. I am not hiding period. If you are going to hide behind a computer then you should not be calling anyone a troll!

You are getting closer to trolldom. The “name blaming game” is the second symptom.

You are getting closer to trolldom. The “name blaming game” is the second symptom.

How many symptoms do I get in your book of trolls because this may be another one? Not only are you inappropriate but you are very close minded to multiple social and political issues. Instead of discussing an issue you use the troll card as a deflector of the issue. It is starting to sound like you are an authoritarian who hides behind a computer instead of engaging in the real world. My thoughts are open and honest and sometimes wrong. I am imperfect but trying to be engaged in public discussion. You don't want public discussion unless on your terms. Sorry, but your terms are inappropriate and limited in scope!

You didn't respond to my suggestion to have Trump initiate the discussion about sexual assault. What's up with that? Seems you are limiting the scope.

I think we both know that Trump will not initiate the discussion about objectification of women or sexual assault or any other assault on women which is the point. If Biden does not make this a political issue then it won't happen. If not Biden hopefully Kamala Harris. I am pretty sure it would be a win win for Biden/Harris and they would pick up votes. It is a core issue and we do not need to forget what Trump has said about women. There are more women voters than men so how could this not be a core issue? And it could not hurt in paving the way for a female President. Now Do you want to answer my questions posed earlier or are we only on your terms?

I think we both know that Trump will not initiate the discussion about objectification of women or sexual assault or any other assault on women which is the point. If Biden does not make this a political issue then it won't happen. If not Biden hopefully Kamala Harris. I am pretty sure it would be a win win for Biden/Harris and they would pick up votes. It is a core issue and we do not need to forget what Trump has said about women. There are more women voters than men so how could this not be a core issue? And it could not hurt in paving the way for a female President. Now Do you want to answer my questions posed earlier or are we only on your terms?

Since you brought it up about three times in a row, I think your idea that Joe Biden should call the alleged biting of Jacob Blake is wrong. I don’t think a presidential candidate should be involved in one random alledged crime, no matter how heinous. I think a presidential candidate should be involved in confronting systemic police brutality.

Lvt, let me try again to make the point. If this doesn't work then one of us are not listening. I want Biden to win this thing and Make America Better. To be a better America there are many core issues. Lets start with Hillary losing an election that she should have won. Everyone has an opinion why she lost. Many believe that she lost because of how society objectifies women. Racism and oppression of African Americans is a core issue. We agree. Sexism, misogyny and oppression of women is a core issue. Do we agree? Our Hope for a Better America should not dismiss one over the other. Why? In my case I have two daughters and a granddaughter and I want the best for them of course. Now back to Jacob Blake and his criminal record. Do you believe that he should get a pass for his bad character. If so, I strongly disagree. Biden's phone call to Jacob Blake under the existing circumstances was appropriate. However, in my opinion it was inappropriate for Biden to not also make a phone call to the sexual assault victim. If you disagree I completely understand but I believe it was a missed opportunity to address two very important core issues. Even if I wanted to try and find a reason to vote for Trump over Biden it would not be possible. Again, the point is a Better America not whether or not to vote for Biden or Trump. Your use of the word troll or troll tactic or trolldom is inappropriate. I use my name. You know who I am. I am not hiding under a bridge. I am not hiding period. If you are going to hide behind a computer then you should not be calling anyone a troll!

I don’t think it would have been a good idea for Biden to inject himself into a separate legal case for which he had little or no knowledge of the material facts.

I think we both know that Trump will not initiate the discussion about objectification of women or sexual assault or any other assault on women which is the point. If Biden does not make this a political issue then it won't happen. If not Biden hopefully Kamala Harris. I am pretty sure it would be a win win for Biden/Harris and they would pick up votes. It is a core issue and we do not need to forget what Trump has said about women. There are more women voters than men so how could this not be a core issue? And it could not hurt in paving the way for a female President. Now Do you want to answer my questions posed earlier or are we only on your terms?

We can all be thankful you are not an advisor to Biden.

mputnal, why are you trying to fit in their box? FYI, they do not accept olive branches.Being called a troll is generally a projection. I gave up on any type of discussion a while ago but their responses can be entertaining.

Just watch them lacerate me just because I commmented on this thread......

mputnal, why are you trying to fit in their box? FYI, they do not accept olive branches.Being called a troll is generally a projection. I gave up on any type of discussion a while ago but their responses can be entertaining.

Just watch them lacerate me just because I commmented on this thread......

It's not an olive branch. He's claiming to be on our side, yet I think some of his ideas and views are disastrous.

This is what I'm talking about, mputnal. Relentlessly devisive. No constructive conversation whatsoever.

See how it works mputnal? No matter how honest of an answer LOB gave to the post by L.C. he only wanted a response so he could post his pre-written rant about divisiveness.

This is what I'm talking about, mputnal. Relentlessly devisive. No constructive conversation whatsoever.

As long as I agree with you, you won't whine and cry. I get it.

It's not an olive branch. He's claiming to be on our side, yet I think some of his ideas and views are disastrous.

No, indeed it is not an olive branch. The disaster you speak of is in your belief of "sides". You refuse to move outside a narrow minded view of political power and how that power controls people through narrative. You believe that you can manipulate power with narrative. You are not honest, wise or good for anyone but your self importance. Did you not admit this yourself?

An olive branch would be a compromise to your dishonest nature. Yet I offer you friendship in common goals. I offer you an opportunity to be honest about who you are and a more honest purpose. I was wrong. You have but one purpose and it is the same as Donald Trump. You both desire division. You both desire your self importance. My eyes are wide open and I see you. Your eyes and your mind are closed and there is little hope that will change. I prefer friends but who needs friends who admit to a purpose of no conscience. Your words...

Since you brought it up about three times in a row, I think your idea that Joe Biden should call the alleged biting of Jacob Blake is wrong. I don’t think a presidential candidate should be involved in one random alledged crime, no matter how heinous. I think a presidential candidate should be involved in confronting systemic police brutality.

I did not ask you if you think calling the victim was right or wrong. I asked you if you believe that Jacob Blake should be given a pass for his criminal activity. I ask you if you believe that law enforcement be de-funded. I ask you to enlighten us how you would go about improving systemic racism that we both agree on. You deflected it all with calling me a troll. Yet you are the one hiding your name. It is dishonest behavior.

See how it works mputnal? No matter how honest of an answer LOB gave to the post by L.C. he only wanted a response so he could post his pre-written rant about divisiveness.

Leader of himself is not an honest person. He outright admits this. His purpose is to keep people like you divided from people like me. He has succeeded...

My nature is to never give up hope on people. I think it is because of my grandmother. Her generation of women had to be tough as nails just to survive in a man's world of power and abuse. I believe Biden chose such a woman to be VP. My sincere and honest hope is that Biden/Harris win and together improve the many problems of race and gender.

mputnal, why are you trying to fit in their box? FYI, they do not accept olive branches.Being called a troll is generally a projection. I gave up on any type of discussion a while ago but their responses can be entertaining.

Just watch them lacerate me just because I commmented on this thread......

Yes, you are correct!

Let me make a speech about "hiding your name": When you first discovered Sowal, it was a message board site that had an abundance of people chatting using fictitious user names and sometimes goofy avatars. Some people use their own name, or "a name", but I would venture to guess, probably 85% of the users of this site use fictitious user names. When you signed up to chat on this site, you knew that full well. But, now, and many, many times in the past, you have brought up this subject that it somehow offends you, or that it doesn't seem like fair play, but, guess what, this is what you agreed to when you signed up on this site. So, at the risk of offending you even more, please stop sounding like a victim.

We can all be thankful you are not an advisor to Biden.

If Biden's advisors are telling him that racism is the only issue that will get him elected then it would be the same thing as Trump's advisor's telling him that law and order is the only issue that will get him elected. That would be one issue canceling out the other! Not smart. Not wise. Not honest.

This is what I'm talking about, mputnal. Relentlessly devisive. No constructive conversation whatsoever.

I had hoped that what you say was not the truth. I was wrong. I have to learn that some people are so bitter and/or so full of self-importance that they lose their shadow.

Let me make a speech about "hiding your name": When you first discovered Sowal, it was a message board site that had an abundance of people chatting using fictitious user names and sometimes goofy avatars. Some people use their own name, or "a name", but I would venture to guess, probably 85% of the users of this site use fictitious user names. When you signed up to chat on this site, you knew that full well. But, now, and many, many times in the past, you have brought up this subject that it somehow offends you, or that it doesn't seem like fair play, but, guess what, this is what you agreed to when you signed up on this site. So, at the risk of offending you even more, please stop sounding like a victim.

The ONLY reason I bring it up is because YOU taught me a long time ago that honest people using their real name will be attacked personally. You enjoy attacking people and do not have any consequences for it because you hide your name. It is dishonest.

I don't enjoy attacking people, and whether a person uses a real name or not has no bearing on my responses. If I think someone's ideas are wrong-headed, I will say so, and, I am sorry to say, I, sometimes, get snarky about it. It is truly agonizing to feel the destruction of this nation that has been happening for the last 4 years. If you want to be thin-skinned, maybe you should stay off these political threads.

I don't enjoy attacking people, and whether a person uses a real name or not has no bearing on my responses. If I think someone's ideas are wrong-headed, I will say so, and, I am sorry to say, I, sometimes, get snarky about it. It is truly agonizing to feel the destruction of this nation that has been happening for the last 4 years. If you want to be thin-skinned, maybe you should stay off these political threads.

Oh, you and others in this forum have taught me not to have thin skin. I know you prefer me to "stay off" political threads or any other thread. I am not welcome in your narrow minded group. You have indeed attacked me personally! I hope you do not enjoy attacking people because it is unnecessary to make a point. I am able to listen and learn. Calling me a troll is not offering anything constructive. Maybe you should offer something more constructive or stay off political threads.

I hear you about the agonizing destruction of this nation but being so divided is making it worse. We can disagree on issues without making this about sides. I offer friendship. I am not your enemy but you keep trying to make me your enemy. Why?