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I think you mean well also and these are the issues that we need to focus on if we want republicans to wake up. Trashing Trump and the republicans will not get us where we need to go. If it did then there would have been more movement in the polling over the last year. I understand the urge but we have to see a much bigger picture than "Trump is terrible and therefore Trump supporters are all terrible". This is important because many Trump supporters shut down when they feel insulted. Please do not write them off just yet! Eventually they will understand that the boat they swam out to is sinking leaving them unsafe and cold...and a better boat is on it's way. THE BIDEN will provide safety and equality and civility. The Biden will also provide fresh MOJOE which is a feeling of hope and peace and opportunity. We are about to vote in one of the most meaningful elections that our generation will ever face. It is time for republicans to sink or swim...

You are at least 20 years too late. If you haven't seen this coming well before the Trump Administration, then you do not have a grasp of politics and/or economics. That is what is go frustrating to some of my colleagues. The average Trump supporter does not seem to employ critical thinking, so trying to explain complex issues to them, doesn't work. Their brains are shut down. They only see red. They only see hatred of Democrats. They WANT simplicity: us versus them.

You are at least 20 years too late. If you haven't seen this coming well before the Trump Administration, then you do not have a grasp of politics and/or economics. That is what is go frustrating to some of my colleagues. The average Trump supporter does not seem to employ critical thinking, so trying to explain complex issues to them, doesn't work. Their brains are shut down. They only see red. They only see hatred of Democrats. They WANT simplicity: us versus them.

Rats on a sinking ship fighting for cheese.

You are at least 20 years too late. If you haven't seen this coming well before the Trump Administration, then you do not have a grasp of politics and/or economics. That is what is go frustrating to some of my colleagues. The average Trump supporter does not seem to employ critical thinking, so trying to explain complex issues to them, doesn't work. Their brains are shut down. They only see red. They only see hatred of Democrats. They WANT simplicity: us versus them.

I understand them and I understand you. It is true that some do not want to employ critical thinking and some just shut it down because of all the personal attacks and stick with simplicity. I know many Trump supporters who are as you say but there is a growing number who are tired of being so divided from their neighbors, their friends and their family that they are starting to open their eyes. Another problem is that now that Trump has deployed the weapons of hate destruction there will be others that follow him unless this is a decisive victory for Biden. Now is the time to nip it in the bud as Barney would say. It is never too late. I am sorry that what has happened over the last 20 years has made you so bitter that you have to attack people including me but I have been around a block or two in politics and economics and I am a very social person. You just do not know me or these people you attack. I have thick skin but many people are not able to take the insults. If they go low we go high remember?

What do you all think about the idea of Nancy Pelosi coming along and using impeachment of 45 as a stall tactic to delay Senate confirmation of the next SC appointee? I think it might be the worst idea I've ever heard. Convince me I'm wrong. I can't think of a better way to to turn off swing voters who might otherwise have voted for Biden and Senate Democrats. The focus right now should be striving to Dump Trump and flip the Senate. Impeachment would be really taking one's ey off the ball. Hopefully McConnel will see that it's politically unpalatable to hold a vote prior to the election. He would be taking his eye off the ball as well. Impeachment of Trump last year was the right thing to do, but it wasn't politically popular. Doing it now right before the election might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Any thoughts?

What do you all think about the idea of Nancy Pelosi coming along and using impeachment of 45 as a stall tactic to delay Senate confirmation of the next SC appointee? I think it might be the worst idea I've ever heard. Convince me I'm wrong. I can't think of a better way to to turn off swing voters who might otherwise have voted for Biden and Senate Democrats. The focus right now should be striving to Dump Trump and flip the Senate. Impeachment would be really taking one's ey off the ball. Hopefully McConnel will see that it's politically unpalatable to hold a vote prior to the election. He would be taking his eye off the ball as well. Impeachment of Trump last year was the right thing to do, but it wasn't politically popular. Doing it now right before the election might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Any thoughts?

It is a dumb idea. trump and his cult like nothing better than playing the victim. Republicans are just sleazy lowlifes who are aiding this orange ahole to get within cheating distance, nothing more. There will be plenty to impeach on next year.

Yes, it would be dumb to try impeachment now. I doubt that thought came from Pelosi. Most likely disinformation. I think they should just hammer down on how hypocritical the entire GOP senate is. I think flipping the Senate should take precedent over flipping out.

QAnon's growth mirrors sharp spike in far-right extremist violence in US: Experts

"What's weird about today is that if they are anti-government like QAnon, it's about a 'deep state,' this second government," he said. "Typically, on the far right, they're wildly opposed to a strong federal government. But this doesn't look like that. This is, in fact, a defense of what they see as their government."

What do you all think about the idea of Nancy Pelosi coming along and using impeachment of 45 as a stall tactic to delay Senate confirmation of the next SC appointee? I think it might be the worst idea I've ever heard. Convince me I'm wrong. I can't think of a better way to to turn off swing voters who might otherwise have voted for Biden and Senate Democrats. The focus right now should be striving to Dump Trump and flip the Senate. Impeachment would be really taking one's ey off the ball. Hopefully McConnel will see that it's politically unpalatable to hold a vote prior to the election. He would be taking his eye off the ball as well. Impeachment of Trump last year was the right thing to do, but it wasn't politically popular. Doing it now right before the election might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Any thoughts?

It is not a good idea because it actually would help Trump. The reason it would help Trump is because of democrats like Poppaj who offend republicans at every opportunity. I don't understand why he can't hear his words calling neighbors and friends and family "sleazy lowlifes who are aiding this orange ahole". If Americans are split 50/50 then that means every other person who reads these post are insulted. If not for democrats like Poppaj impeachment could be an option but under the circumstances of not being able to control rage...absolutely not! It would turn off even some moderate democrats. Maybe there are other "arrows in the quiver".

QAnon's growth mirrors sharp spike in far-right extremist violence in US: Experts

"What's weird about today is that if they are anti-government like QAnon, it's about a 'deep state,' this second government," he said. "Typically, on the far right, they're wildly opposed to a strong federal government. But this doesn't look like that. This is, in fact, a defense of what they see as their government."

Yes, that is what stuns me too. There is no "deep state" doing a damn thing in the dark. The manipulation of the government from a democracy to a fascist state is being done by the "legitimate" government in broad daylight. The governor of Florida wants legislation passed that it's OK to murder someone with your car, if you think that person is part of a mob! This is not a joke.

QAnon's growth mirrors sharp spike in far-right extremist violence in US: Experts

"What's weird about today is that if they are anti-government like QAnon, it's about a 'deep state,' this second government," he said. "Typically, on the far right, they're wildly opposed to a strong federal government. But this doesn't look like that. This is, in fact, a defense of what they see as their government."

We have been given two choices in terms of ideology. Liberal and Conservative. Our political system and social system has divided the people into these two groups. Unfortunately human behavior can be manipulated into an us against them mentality which gives us elitism and extremism within the two groups. The more we manipulate either ideology the more people migrate to the extremes. I believe that moderation is where humanity thrives and extremism is where we become destructive. If Donald Trump continues as our leader for another four years both groups will grow in number and our destructive nature will increase. The conspiracy theories of the Qanon group is destructive just like Antifa is destructive. Both have their own realities of truth and justice. We need a leader who is dedicated to unifying we the people to a common purpose. That common purpose is more productive and constructive social and economic systems. It is the opposite of us against them but rather we the people are better together...

If Trump is successful in appointing a SCJ we just can not have a close race where it comes down to the court. Trump does not care as much about democracy as he does himself. If this is a close election he will certainly contest the election results with the help of the electoral college and SC. Trump could win even though the majority of we the people vote for Biden. It happened last time and it could happen again. This should prove that his nature is wrong for the job. But of course it will only prove it to half of we the people. People who vote for Trump will essentially help him change our democracy of we the people to a totalitarian regime of centralized power. Therefore every vote for Trump is a vote to take away "we the people" in our sacred democracy. Only in 2020 could this happen! If your vote is not decided please consider the consequences of a contested election. Only Trump has this power to abuse the election results. Even if you do not like Biden or his political party or progressive politics he simply does not have this kind of power to abuse. In addition Biden is a "moderate" democrat and may be the only hope to save our democracy. This election is that important for the future of our Country. Once there is precedent there is no going back...

Do Trumpers understand or appreciate our constitution? Asking for a friend.

Do Trumpers understand or apprecite our constitution? Asking for a friend.

Be prepared for several paragraphs from mputnal, but my short answer is nope.

Sedition
Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or resistance against, established authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interest of sedition.

Grounds for immediate impeachment? Asking for a friend.

“RIGGED ELECTION!” The orange one screams.

No Democrats Allowed: A Conservative Lawyer Holds Secret Voter Fraud Meetings With State Election Officials — ProPublica

Sedition
Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or resistance against, established authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interest of sedition.

Grounds for immediate impeachment? Asking for a friend.

LVT, you might not ever get it but I will keep trying. We the people are split on what is the "established authority". Liberals believe it to be Trump authoritarianism and there is a ton of proof. This proof would take more than a couple paragraphs However Conservatives believe it to be Liberal democrats who want to take away their religious rights, property rights, gun rights, white male rights and a proud heritage. Unfortunately we the people are not united enough on a consensus of where the established authority and abuse of power exists. I keep trying to get you to understand that we have to bridge the gap between democrats and republicans otherwise face unprecedented consequences of what happens when we are this divided. The further divided we are the further we get from democracy and if the wrong person or group abuses power then we the people have no ability to correct or balance. Donald J. Trump's entire life has been abusive to women, minorities, our economic system, our political system, the middle class and every hard working blue collar Americans. Yet he has convinced almost half of we the people that he has a mandate from God himself to rid those disrespectful elite democrats from effecting their lives any more. I am as frustrated as any democrat, any liberal or anyone that uses common sense to figure out where the abuse of power is coming from but half of "us" are convinced that Trump is a protector of our constitutional rights. I certainly am not able to persuade them to look at the science, or facts or to just open their eyes. Their eyes are wide shut. The only thing I know to get them to open their eyes is thru their ears. Respectful dialogue and kind words. If we let our anger and frustration get the best of us then that won't happen. Those that want to ram the science and facts down their throat ain't workin and is probably making it worse. Somehow we have to reset this divisiveness in the way we communicate. Or suffer the consequences of what it means to lose our democracy just because my principles are always right and the other side is always wrong. Social change may not happen if do not first protect our democracy. Trust me I am not preaching for you to change your principles but rather to understand how important it is that we form a better method of communication with those that have conflicting principles. Impeachment would make our division even worse than it is.

I don't think it matters if the results are close. Trump aint leaving. It will go to the supreme court and he will appear to have the votes. It may come down to one person voting for with the constitution instead of ideology.

@mputnal I reject your statement that we only have 2 ideologies. Perhaps you meant 2 parties' ideologies. Even then they can be a lot of gray area inside the tents.

I don't think it matters if the results are close. Trump aint leaving. It will go to the supreme court and he will appear to have the votes. It may come down to one person voting for with the constitution instead of ideology.

@mputnal I reject your statement that we only have 2 ideologies. Perhaps you meant 2 parties' ideologies. Even then they can be a lot of gray area inside the tents.

Yes two political party ideologies. There use to be gray area but the republicans changed that with the Tea Party. Now there is little to no bipartisan politics in our Executive and Legislative branches. Not even in our Judicial Branch where the Constitution is "interpreted" with one of two ideologies. There is only black and white. Liberal vs Conservative. Democrat vs Republican. Us against them. We are having trouble even accepting who wins elections. There should be more than two ideologies, more than two political parties and more than two people running for political office. But the number is two. We are split in "two". Sometimes I wonder if politics has changed our brain into reasoning that we can not have both liberal and conservative thought.

Lets say that Biden wins the popular vote and the electoral vote by a significant number. If Trump does not concede and he was able to appoint another conservative SCJ then "we the people" will have to make a choice. Do we concede that our democracy is over?

“RIGGED ELECTION!” The orange one screams.

No Democrats Allowed: A Conservative Lawyer Holds Secret Voter Fraud Meetings With State Election Officials — ProPublica

This is an indicator of how Trump will approach post election if he loses. Our Judicial Branch will be involved and there will be testimony from Experts who are in charge of the election (election officials). How will these experts testify? Minimal fraud, no fraud or substantial fraud?

Yes two political party ideologies. There use to be gray area but the republicans changed that with the Tea Party. Now there is little to no bipartisan politics in our Executive and Legislative branches. Not even in our Judicial Branch where the Constitution is "interpreted" with one of two ideologies. There is only black and white. Liberal vs Conservative. Democrat vs Republican. Us against them. We are having trouble even accepting who wins elections. There should be more than two ideologies, more than two political parties and more than two people running for political office. But the number is two. We are split in "two". Sometimes I wonder if politics has changed our brain into reasoning that we can not have both liberal and conservative thought.

Lets say that Biden wins the popular vote and the electoral vote by a significant number. If Trump does not concede and he was able to appoint another conservative SCJ then "we the people" will have to make a choice. Do we concede that our democracy is over?

Your mind is extremely narrow. You are trying to cram a wide spectrum of possible ideologies into a 2 party system. You need some political science 101.

Your mind is extremely narrow. You are trying to cram a wide spectrum of possible ideologies into a 2 party system. You need some political science 101.

It is now politics. No science

And the number is 2! Not 101

Extremely narrow is exactly what the two political parties want.

My mind fits neither political party. I am a member of the human race...

Sedition
Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or resistance against, established authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interest of sedition.

Grounds for immediate impeachment? Asking for a friend.

Actually, if Trump were to pull something, I think there could be impeachment charges of abuse of power. If he does end up being elected he could be impeached again, and all the charges from last year's impeachment could be tacked on. If the Dems get a majority in the Senate, they could vote to call witnesses. If he goes full fascist, impeachment would get much broader support than last year.