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The media and polsters did a heck of a job energizing Trump voters.It wasn't enough to get him elected.
Beach Fanatic
It wasn't enough to get him elected.
Perhaps not but my statement is still accurate.
If you get the socialism and overeaching big goverment that you wished for, congratulations.
Beach Fanatic
Democratic Socialism keeps power in the hands of voters. It is much preferable to Oligarchy and mutant capitalism.
Change my mind.
Change my mind.
Beach Fanatic
Democratic Socialism keeps power in the hands of voters. It is much preferable to Oligarchy and mutant capitalism.
Change my mind.
You are a socialist and want your mind changed? I can't relate but okay. Good luck with reaching your goal.
Beach Fanatic
You are a socialist and want your mind changed? I can't relate but okay. Good luck with reaching your goal.Why would you think I'm a socialist? A better question is, what is a socialist and why are you so scared of one? Do you have a lot of bogeymen in your life?
Beach Fanatic
Why would you think I'm a socialist? A better question is, what is a socialist and why are you so scared of one? Do you have a lot of bogeymen in your life?
Are you retracting your previous post that advocates socialism?
Do really think your second question is better? Marx, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. - all socialists and all boogeymen. Damn right I'm scared if a socialist is running our country.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Perhaps not but my statement is still accurate.
If you get the socialism and overeaching big goverment that you wished for, congratulations.
Sure beats a death cult.
SoWal Insider
Are you retracting your previous post that advocates socialism?It’s not over, trump could still pull out a win but if he doesn’t, in the words of trump supporters everywhere, fu*k your feelings.
Do really think your second question is better? Marx, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. - all socialists and all boogeymen. Damn right I'm scared if a socialist is running our country.
Beach Fanatic
Good lord Fredo. Do you read or look at anything in context??
SoWal Insider
Good lord Fredo. Do you read or look at anything in context??Yes David Duke I do and your fear is your fascist leader will lose.
Beach Fanatic
Are you retracting your previous post that advocates socialism?Read my post again. I advocate it over Trumpism and Putinism. Typical of a fox echo chamber dunce to equate Marxism, communism, and Socialism.
Do really think your second question is better? Marx, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. - all socialists and all boogeymen. Damn right I'm scared if a socialist is running our country.
Beach Fanatic
Are you retracting your previous post that advocates socialism?
Do really think your second question is better? Marx, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. - all socialists and all boogeymen. Damn right I'm scared if a socialist is running our country.
Please don't be scared. I think all those people are in the hereafter. Many of us believe in socialized retirement programs, socialized healthcare programs and some type of socialized education. Why you say? Because those are working class and middle class programs that support our "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness". Those programs makes us happier, stronger and more literate as in understanding the difference between social and anti-social programs. Anti-social Libertarian Totalitarian Authoritarian Dictatorships don't care about anyone but yourself is what republicans have moved toward. Democracies are "we the people" as in social behaviors. Democracies are checks and balances to power. If you believe that Trump cares about anything but being in power you have been misinformed. The reason Trump resonates with rural America is because they understandably feel like politicians do not represent them anymore. Citizens United and the cost of Campaigning has shifted representation to those with wealth. Trump is very adept at rallies that gives them hope yet when you follow him in real time you will find that everything he does is like offering peanuts to the majority while giving Filet Mignon to the wealthy including himself and his family. Anyway don't be scared just be informed and you will not fear Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or even Bernie Sanders who is not Marx, Stalin, Mao, Castro etc. If you fear higher taxes then you must be part of the Filet Mignon group. If you fear social programs then you must be anti-social. If you fear a bogeyman that is not real then well that would be out of my understanding.
SoWal Insider
Please don't be scared. I think all those people are in the hereafter. Many of us believe in socialized retirement programs, socialized healthcare programs and some type of socialized education. Why you say? Because those are working class and middle class programs that support our "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness". Those programs makes us happier, stronger and more literate as in understanding the difference between social and anti-social programs. Anti-social Libertarian Totalitarian Authoritarian Dictatorships don't care about anyone but yourself is what republicans have moved toward. Democracies are "we the people" as in social behaviors. Democracies are checks and balances to power. If you believe that Trump cares about anything but being in power you have been misinformed. The reason Trump resonates with rural America is because they understandably feel like politicians do not represent them anymore. Citizens United and the cost of Campaigning has shifted representation to those with wealth. Trump is very adept at rallies that gives them hope yet when you follow him in real time you will find that everything he does is like offering peanuts to the majority while giving Filet Mignon to the wealthy including himself and his family. Anyway don't be scared just be informed and you will not fear Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or even Bernie Sanders who is not Marx, Stalin, Mao, Castro etc. If you fear higher taxes then you must be part of the Filet Mignon group. If you fear social programs then you must be anti-social. If you fear a bogeyman that is not real then well that would be out of my understanding.His taxes will go up because trump is a conman.
GOP planted a time bomb in their 2017 tax cut bill that will actually raise most people’s taxes: Nobel economist
Beach Fanatic
Biden's message is good for all of us. It is not F-Y if you don't agree with me. Biden is exactly what a democracy should be. Listening to the other side. Hearing the other side. Reasoning with the other side. Compromising with the other side. That is what a Democracy is about. That is what good and positive social behaviors should be in politics and in all of us. If you want to be anti-social that is fine but please remember that our actions and our words matter in this one life that we have on this planet. Kindness is contagious. Why not? I understand it is not always easy and I fail at kindness sometimes but each time I fail my conscience reminds me that I can be better than that. We need to listen to our conscience when we become frustrated and angry. I know we all got one even if it is buried deep in all the junk we put on top of it.
Beach Fanatic
His taxes will go up because trump is a conman.
GOP planted a time bomb in their 2017 tax cut bill that will actually raise most people’s taxes: Nobel economist
Maybe so but Trump is wealth and wealth offsets taxes with many other things available to them in our tax laws. Tax laws are influenced by wealth. If we do not sever this connection between wealth and politicians then our tax structure will always benefit wealth. Supporting the Democratic Party is our best chance in doing this. Either cut out all the tax loop holes or raise taxes on wealth or both. Wealth can absorb this and still have the best that money can buy of everything so what is the problem I wonder...
SoWal Insider
Biden's message is good for all of us. It is not F-Y if you don't agree with me. Biden is exactly what a democracy should be. Listening to the other side. Hearing the other side. Reasoning with the other side. Compromising with the other side. That is what a Democracy is about. That is what good and positive social behaviors should be in politics and in all of us. If you want to be anti-social that is fine but please remember that our actions and our words matter in this one life that we have on this planet. Kindness is contagious. Why not? I understand it is not always easy and I fail at kindness sometimes but each time I fail my conscience reminds me that I can be better than that. We need to listen to our conscience when we become frustrated and angry. I know we all got one even if it is buried deep in all the junk we put on top of it.I admire your optimism, but don’t share it. Sixty eight million people voted for a man who demands a loyal pledge to himself not the country. A man who lies all day everyday. They watched him for four years and said “yes, this is what I want in a president.” If Biden prevails they will simply find another POS candidate to run for POTUS. With McConnell and the Senate the best we can hope for is four years of some normalcy and reestablished relations with allies. Twitler will still be around, but hopefully his tweets will be ignored by the media.
SoWal Insider
It wasn't enough to get him elected.This only reason this election is close is due to the decades of successful republican gerrymandering, voter suppression and disenfranchisement.
Beach Fanatic
I admire your optimism, but don’t share it. Sixty eight million people voted for a man who demands a loyal pledge to himself not the country. A man who lies all day everyday. They watched him for four years and said “yes, this is what I want in a president.” If Biden prevails they will simply find another POS candidate to run for POTUS. With McConnell and the Senate the best we can hope for is four years of some normalcy and reestablished relations with allies. Twitler will still be around, but hopefully his tweets will be ignored by the media.
Just answer one question for me. Do you want Sixty eight million enemies? I understand your frustration and anger (trust me I do) but the way we communicate is important not only for our Democracy but for Humanity. Think what life would be like if we continue to fight and hate each other. There is a better path!
SoWal Insider
Just answer one question for me. Do you want Sixty eight million enemies? I understand your frustration and anger (trust me I do) but the way we communicate is important not only for our Democracy but for Humanity. Think what life would be like if we continue to fight and hate each other. There is a better path!We already have sixty eight million enemies.
SoWal Insider
This is just another reason to eliminate the electoral college.
Beach Fanatic
Trump’s Presidency Has Brought America Low
The Editors 2 days ago
'Complete farce': Abby Phillip reacts to Trump's misleading speech
U.S. Daily Cases Top 100,000; States Hit Records: Virus Update
Trump’s Presidency Has Brought America Low
View attachment 86765
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Every presidential election seems momentous, but it would be hard to exaggerate what’s at stake in this one. The voters who’ve already cast ballots in record numbers, and the tens of millions more who’ll do so today, might be making the most fateful political choice of their lives. It isn’t just about choosing the better candidate. Also in the balance is a more fundamental question: What, if anything, does the United States expect of its system of government?
© Photographer: Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images North America WASHINGTON, DC - OCTOBER 27: President Donald Trump talks to members of the media outside of the White House on October 27, 2020 in Washington, DC. President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump are heading to campaign rallies in Wisconsin and Nebraska. (Photo by Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images)
Deciding between normal politics and the upheaval of the past four years is only part of it. The choice is also between a politics that aspires to persuade, unite and move forward, and a politics that accepts and even celebrates dysfunction. If, after everything the country has learned during Donald Trump’s first term, America settles for the latter, its prospects seem bleak indeed.
After the election of 2016, it was possible to hope that Trump would grow into the presidency — that he’d reflect on the awesome power and grave responsibilities of the office, conduct himself with a modicum of dignity and sobriety, and try to bring Americans together. An optimist might have gone further, believing his detachment from the Republican Party and what it once stood for would create opportunities — for instance, to build a cross-party alliance for ambitious investment in infrastructure.
Instead, he became even more like Donald Trump. Vanity, vulgarity and prideful incompetence have been his hallmarks. The president’s Twitter feed occupies much of his time and, as far as one can judge, plumbs the depths of his mind. He has sometimes-shrewd political instincts, and correctly saw weak points in domestic and foreign policy that had gone unaddressed by successive administrations of both parties. Yet his ambition was never to take pains and work methodically toward progress. His principal goal throughout has been to slap down opponents and strut. It surely tells you something that, going into this election, the president didn’t bother to devise an actual program of government.
His first term has been a nearly uninterrupted series of policy blunders, arising not from a coherent sense of direction, right or wrong, but from the momentary demands of politics as provocation. On issue after issue, he has set the country back.
The president boasts about the economy’s success before the pandemic, and it was indeed doing reasonably well: The post-crash recovery of the Obama years had continued on trend. But Trump’s tax cuts gave most of their benefits to the rich and failed to spur investment or faster growth. His tariffs and other trade-suppressing measures succeeded mainly in raising costs for U.S. producers and consumers. If not for Trump, in other words, the economy would have grown faster.
The president has disdained domestic and international efforts to address climate change, perhaps the gravest long-term threat to prosperity. He has moved to dismantle the Affordable Care Act without thought for alternatives or for the harm that doing so will inflict on millions of Americans.
In 2016, the U.S. had friends and allies, and much of the world’s respect. The president has blithely torn those relationships apart. He apparently sees international cooperation as wrong in principle — as a conspiracy against America — when for decades it has plainly served U.S. and global interests. In foreign affairs, he cast himself as a hard-headed dealmaker while being repeatedly scorned or outmaneuvered by despots. True to form, in the midst of a pandemic, he severed America’s links to global efforts to contain the disease.
The U.S. response to the coronavirus has been among the worst in the world. The country stands close to the top of the global list of coronavirus deaths in proportion to population. (On that metric, the count stands at about 71 per 100,000. The figure for France is around 55; for Germany, around 13; for Japan, around one.) Granted, few Western governments can claim great success in this ordeal, but the U.S., with its unrivaled financial and human resources, could have hoped to do better. The federal government, with Trump presiding, failed at every stage to coordinate and prioritize — tasks no other level of government can readily undertake. Trump persistently ignored, undermined and contradicted the government’s own scientific and technical experts. Instead of setting a good example, he modeled irresponsible behavior, then spun his own Covid-19 infection as proof of strong leadership.
What’s truly remarkable is that this endless catalog of failures seems almost secondary when one considers the harm that this president has inflicted on the nation’s capacity for self-government. Instead of resisting the slide toward bitterly tribal politics — the first duty of any responsible president — Trump has aggravated the problem, not out of inattention but as a deliberate strategy. From the start he has sought to divide, fanning the flames of racial resentment and seeking every other opportunity to antagonize his critics and embitter his supporters, regardless of the cost to friend and foe alike.
It must be admitted that some on the left have, wittingly or not, served as accomplices in this effort to split the country into warring camps. In effect, out of justified disgust, many have accepted Trump’s toxic theory of power. This means that repairing the country’s fabric, starting next year, will be extremely challenging even for President Joe Biden, who’ll be determined to try. But if Trump should be re-elected, he and his most furious opponents will see the project of radical division as vindicated, and pursue it further, with who knows what result.
Make America great again? Four years of President Trump has brought the country to a terrible low, in its own estimation and in the eyes of the world — and there is further yet to fall. Enough.
Editorials are written by the Bloomberg Opinion editorial board.
For more articles like this, please visit us at bloomberg.com/opinion
©2020 Bloomberg L.P.
The Editors 2 days ago
'Complete farce': Abby Phillip reacts to Trump's misleading speech
U.S. Daily Cases Top 100,000; States Hit Records: Virus Update
Trump’s Presidency Has Brought America LowView attachment 86765
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Every presidential election seems momentous, but it would be hard to exaggerate what’s at stake in this one. The voters who’ve already cast ballots in record numbers, and the tens of millions more who’ll do so today, might be making the most fateful political choice of their lives. It isn’t just about choosing the better candidate. Also in the balance is a more fundamental question: What, if anything, does the United States expect of its system of government?
© Photographer: Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images North America WASHINGTON, DC - OCTOBER 27: President Donald Trump talks to members of the media outside of the White House on October 27, 2020 in Washington, DC. President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump are heading to campaign rallies in Wisconsin and Nebraska. (Photo by Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images)Deciding between normal politics and the upheaval of the past four years is only part of it. The choice is also between a politics that aspires to persuade, unite and move forward, and a politics that accepts and even celebrates dysfunction. If, after everything the country has learned during Donald Trump’s first term, America settles for the latter, its prospects seem bleak indeed.
After the election of 2016, it was possible to hope that Trump would grow into the presidency — that he’d reflect on the awesome power and grave responsibilities of the office, conduct himself with a modicum of dignity and sobriety, and try to bring Americans together. An optimist might have gone further, believing his detachment from the Republican Party and what it once stood for would create opportunities — for instance, to build a cross-party alliance for ambitious investment in infrastructure.
Instead, he became even more like Donald Trump. Vanity, vulgarity and prideful incompetence have been his hallmarks. The president’s Twitter feed occupies much of his time and, as far as one can judge, plumbs the depths of his mind. He has sometimes-shrewd political instincts, and correctly saw weak points in domestic and foreign policy that had gone unaddressed by successive administrations of both parties. Yet his ambition was never to take pains and work methodically toward progress. His principal goal throughout has been to slap down opponents and strut. It surely tells you something that, going into this election, the president didn’t bother to devise an actual program of government.
His first term has been a nearly uninterrupted series of policy blunders, arising not from a coherent sense of direction, right or wrong, but from the momentary demands of politics as provocation. On issue after issue, he has set the country back.
The president boasts about the economy’s success before the pandemic, and it was indeed doing reasonably well: The post-crash recovery of the Obama years had continued on trend. But Trump’s tax cuts gave most of their benefits to the rich and failed to spur investment or faster growth. His tariffs and other trade-suppressing measures succeeded mainly in raising costs for U.S. producers and consumers. If not for Trump, in other words, the economy would have grown faster.
The president has disdained domestic and international efforts to address climate change, perhaps the gravest long-term threat to prosperity. He has moved to dismantle the Affordable Care Act without thought for alternatives or for the harm that doing so will inflict on millions of Americans.
In 2016, the U.S. had friends and allies, and much of the world’s respect. The president has blithely torn those relationships apart. He apparently sees international cooperation as wrong in principle — as a conspiracy against America — when for decades it has plainly served U.S. and global interests. In foreign affairs, he cast himself as a hard-headed dealmaker while being repeatedly scorned or outmaneuvered by despots. True to form, in the midst of a pandemic, he severed America’s links to global efforts to contain the disease.
The U.S. response to the coronavirus has been among the worst in the world. The country stands close to the top of the global list of coronavirus deaths in proportion to population. (On that metric, the count stands at about 71 per 100,000. The figure for France is around 55; for Germany, around 13; for Japan, around one.) Granted, few Western governments can claim great success in this ordeal, but the U.S., with its unrivaled financial and human resources, could have hoped to do better. The federal government, with Trump presiding, failed at every stage to coordinate and prioritize — tasks no other level of government can readily undertake. Trump persistently ignored, undermined and contradicted the government’s own scientific and technical experts. Instead of setting a good example, he modeled irresponsible behavior, then spun his own Covid-19 infection as proof of strong leadership.
What’s truly remarkable is that this endless catalog of failures seems almost secondary when one considers the harm that this president has inflicted on the nation’s capacity for self-government. Instead of resisting the slide toward bitterly tribal politics — the first duty of any responsible president — Trump has aggravated the problem, not out of inattention but as a deliberate strategy. From the start he has sought to divide, fanning the flames of racial resentment and seeking every other opportunity to antagonize his critics and embitter his supporters, regardless of the cost to friend and foe alike.
It must be admitted that some on the left have, wittingly or not, served as accomplices in this effort to split the country into warring camps. In effect, out of justified disgust, many have accepted Trump’s toxic theory of power. This means that repairing the country’s fabric, starting next year, will be extremely challenging even for President Joe Biden, who’ll be determined to try. But if Trump should be re-elected, he and his most furious opponents will see the project of radical division as vindicated, and pursue it further, with who knows what result.
Make America great again? Four years of President Trump has brought the country to a terrible low, in its own estimation and in the eyes of the world — and there is further yet to fall. Enough.
Editorials are written by the Bloomberg Opinion editorial board.
For more articles like this, please visit us at bloomberg.com/opinion
©2020 Bloomberg L.P.
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Beach Fanatic
Now they pull the plug on him. Why have they let him say whatever he wanted all these years? Why didn't they push him, disrespect him since day 1? They allowed him to continue to spew his misinformation and hate for 4 years. They had the power to end his reign of terror. Now, it's probably too late. Ellen
Beach Fanatic
Now they pull the plug on him. Why have they let him say whatever he wanted all these years? Why didn't they push him, disrespect him since day 1? They allowed him to continue to spew his misinformation and hate for 4 years. They had the power to end his reign of terror. Now, it's probably too late. EllenRatings=Money
As much as they know he spews poison he also spews gold in ratings which means ad dollars. News is entertainment and despicable characters mean ratings. In a few months when politics is relatively boring again the network suits will be crying.
SoWal Insider
Now they pull the plug on him. Why have they let him say whatever he wanted all these years? Why didn't they push him, disrespect him since day 1? They allowed him to continue to spew his misinformation and hate for 4 years. They had the power to end his reign of terror. Now, it's probably too late. EllenAgree and virtually unforgivable. I guess better late than never though. Now they need to shut down his dumbass conspiracy minded cult.
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