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#9677
My son is an Eagle Scout and I was an assistant leader. My son became the scout master to his son who is also an Eagle Scout. This is a story used as a lesson we both taught the scouts many times over the years and it’s a lesson we should all learn. Simply substitute republican for rattlesnake.

A little boy was walking down a path and he came across a rattlesnake. The rattlesnake was getting old. He asked, "Please little boy, can you take me to the top of the mountain? I hope to see the sunset one last time before I die." The little boy answered "No Mr. Rattlesnake. If I pick you up, you'll bite me and I'll die." The rattlesnake said, "No, I promise. I won't bite you. Just please take me up to the mountain." The little boy thought about it and finally picked up that rattlesnake and took it close to his chest and carried it up to the top of the mountain.

They sat there and watched the sunset together. It was so beautiful. Then after sunset the rattlesnake turned to the little boy and asked, "Can I go home now? I am tired, and I am old." The little boy picked up the rattlesnake and again took it to his chest and held it tightly and safely. He came all the way down the mountain holding the snake carefully and took it to his home to give him some food and a place to sleep. The next day the rattlesnake turned to the boy and asked, "Please little boy, will you take me back to my home now? It is time for me to leave this world, and I would like to be at my home now." The little boy felt he had been safe all this time and the snake had kept his word, so he would take it home as asked.

He carefully picked up the snake, took it close to his chest, and carried him back to the woods, to his home to die. Just before he laid the rattlesnake down, the rattlesnake turned and bit him in the chest. The little boy cried out and threw the snake upon the ground. "Mr. Snake, why did you do that? Now I will surely die!" The rattlesnake looked up at him and grinned, "You knew what I was when you picked me up."

Boy and the RattleSnake Story

No I don't buy it because I hear the exact same thing from the other side. They tell the exact same story. Neither side will come together because they are absolutely certain the other side is trying to hurt them. Real people have given their life for this democracy and to just give up on it now seems weak and lazy. All it takes is respect. It's just words for goodness sake. "I think you are a socialist. Thank you for your opinion but I respectfully disagree. I am just trying to be a good human and think of society as a community of people helping one another and just want to do the right thing just like you." or "I think you are a racist bigot. Thank you for that opinion but it is just not true. I am just trying to protect my family, my religion, my culture and my freedoms and do the right thing just like you". There is no good reason why it so hard to find common ground from which to build a bridge. Respect is fearless...
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#9678
Don’t buy it, I don care. Seventy years after the Southern Strategy republicans are more racist than ever. Most groups naturally progress, but these aholes pride themselves on regression.
Beach Fanatic
#9679
Don’t buy it, I don care. Seventy years after the Southern Strategy republicans are more racist than ever. Most groups naturally progress, but these aholes pride themselves on regression.

So you don't care about 70 plus million people or don't care to participate in a Democracy or don't care for anyone who disagrees with you as in probably over half the human population or just don't care for this conversation or what? How does calling people names help you, me or our Democracy? Also let me point out that there are red states all over the map but one of those racist Southern States just flipped to blue. You always seem to have an axe to grind about the Southern Bigot Racists. I guess it makes you feel better so go for it.
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#9680
So you don't care about 70 plus million people or don't care to participate in a Democracy or don't care for anyone who disagrees with you as in probably over half the human population or just don't care for this conversation or what? How does calling people names help you, me or our Democracy? Also let me point out that there are red states all over the map but one of those racist Southern States just flipped to blue. You always seem to have an axe to grind about the Southern Bigot Racists. I guess it makes you feel better so go for it.
It is not my responsibility to change them. They have to want it and as witnessed the last four years they have zero interest. The fact is they just want to double down and be even more, in the words of Hillary, deplorable.
As I’ve stated before if you want to waste your time dying on a hill trying to change the white grievance party be my guest. I’m moving on.
Beach Fanatic
#9681
I agree it is not your responsibility to try and change anyone's mind about anything. But you and I both have a responsibility to all those people who have died for you and I to have a democracy. I am not even asking either one of us to die on a hill trying to change anyone's mind about anything. All I am asking is that we are respectful when talking with a Trump supporter or anyone we disagree with about anything. Michelle Obama suggest that when they go low we go high. Eventually these small acts of kindness will pay off. It is hard I get it. But we ain't facing a firing squad or charging a hill or anything like that. I see a problem with asking others to be respectful when we can't be respectful or asking people to protect our democracy when we don't seem to care! Hillary being female can use the word deplorable but you and I are white privileged males and need to choose our words more carefully and respectfully.
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#9682
I agree it is not your responsibility to try and change anyone's mind about anything. But you and I both have a responsibility to all those people who have died for you and I to have a democracy. I am not even asking either one of us to die on a hill trying to change anyone's mind about anything. All I am asking is that we are respectful when talking with a Trump supporter or anyone we disagree with about anything. Michelle Obama suggest that when they go low we go high. Eventually these small acts of kindness will pay off. It is hard I get it. But we ain't facing a firing squad or charging a hill or anything like that. I see a problem with asking others to be respectful when we can't be respectful or asking people to protect our democracy when we don't seem to care! Hillary being female can use the word deplorable but you and I are white privileged males and need to choose our words more carefully and respectfully.
I could be respectful when talking to a Trump supporter, but I guarantee you they won't be that way with me. You're asking people to be like the hippie teacher Mr. Van Driessen from Beavis and Butthead.

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#9683
I agree it is not your responsibility to try and change anyone's mind about anything. But you and I both have a responsibility to all those people who have died for you and I to have a democracy. I am not even asking either one of us to die on a hill trying to change anyone's mind about anything. All I am asking is that we are respectful when talking with a Trump supporter or anyone we disagree with about anything. Michelle Obama suggest that when they go low we go high. Eventually these small acts of kindness will pay off. It is hard I get it. But we ain't facing a firing squad or charging a hill or anything like that. I see a problem with asking others to be respectful when we can't be respectful or asking people to protect our democracy when we don't seem to care! Hillary being female can use the word deplorable but you and I are white privileged males and need to choose our words more carefully and respectfully.
I don’t respect a single friken thing about trump. It’s a non-starter with me. I will never be able to understand how anyone could support such a horrible man.
You must come to the realization that the old saying is total bs, failure is the only option when trying to reason with a trump supporter.
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#9684
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#9685
So I'm supposed to hold out an olive branch to people who voted for this man. SMDH.

Retired 4-Star General 'Alarmed' Trump May Try To Use Military To 'Defy An Election' | HuffPost

Melber specifically asked McCaffrey if he believed that “there could be an effort to enlist the military in something unlawful.”

The general responded: “The federal government tools could be used in an oppressive manner. Start with the attorney general of the United States, the Department of Homeland Security and federal law enforcement officers, who — unless they get an order that is patently illegal — will carry out their instructions. ... I don’t believe in any way this should be minimized or this is just a tantrum of a president trying to accommodate himself to the outcome of the elections. This is some crazy thinking going on inside that White House.”



McCaffrey said he can’t “imagine” that Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) or even Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), and “people like this are going to disregard the Constitution.”

But he warned: “I think that’s the thinking that’s going on in the White House right now, and we ought to be worried about it. And the Republicans in Congress ought to speak up and push back.”

Of the personnel shakeup in the Defense Department, he said: “No one in his right mind would have accepted an appointment for 90 days. These people are in there to control a coercive institution of U.S. democracy. Watch out,” he warned.
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#9686
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#9687
Firing Trump is just the first step. Firing republicans is the 2nd step and we did not do a very good job of that so there is work to do. Trump and the republicans have done a lot of damage to our democracy. We the people will have to work with Biden and Harris to help strengthen our Democracy. We need those Trump supporters to do this. Many will refuse. Many are completely gone to the dark side. But there are people out there we can reach. The point is that this one election is just the beginning of a lot of work to do for our Democracy including learning how to connect with each other. It's important. Not life or death important maybe but ALL of us have to learn how to be respectful again. Some of you are saying that you just can't do it. BS on that. You can do it but you just don't want to give the effort. I call it social laziness. I understand it is difficult and some of these Trump supporters are a-holes but let's not get ourselves into that a-hole category otherwise how are we any different? Democracy is not just marking a ballot then calling people who don't vote like you all sorts of names. Either you are going to help build the bridge or you are going to sit back and let others do it like our President Elect Joe Biden but he needs our help. If you are not going to participate in building the bridge then please don't make it worse with all the name calling and bitching about everything. None of us have sacrificed what our soldiers, healthcare workers and other first responders have done for this country so quit complaining and do something productive not destructive. Disrespect is destructive...
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SoWal Insider
#96881
trump won the election and this is a million people per Kayleigh McEnany.
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Beach Fanatic
#9689
Bagdad Kayleigh!
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#9690
Matt Gaetz wants you to know he will continue fellating trump.

“I am here to endorse the Trump 2024 movement, whenever the president wants to ignite it,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said on Fox News Saturday evening.
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#9691
OMG! When your real lawyers say “fu*k this loser I’m outta here” your fall back it’s the Russian Asset firm.:lol:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend OUR RIGHT to FREE and FAIR ELECTIONS! Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!
Beach Fanatic
#9692
Matt Gaetz wants you to know he will continue fellating trump.

“I am here to endorse the Trump 2024 movement, whenever the president wants to ignite it,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said on Fox News Saturday evening.
Trump laid the foundation. I have no doubt that Gaetz could be a much worse president than Trump.
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#9693
Trump laid the foundation. I have no doubt that Gaetz could be a much worse president than Trump.
Don’t forget DeSantis, Rubio, Giuliani, Cruz, Graham and Rick Scott. How can they kiss ass and distance themselves at the same time. They all want to be prez. They all seem as sleazy as drump but don’t have the balls.
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#9694
“The Trump campaign simply has no evidence. Their basic argument was this was a conspiracy so vast and so successful that there’s no evidence of it.” - John Bolton
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#9696
It been only thirteen days since Biden was the majority choice for President and we already have two promising Covid vaccines.
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#96971
trump administration assembling documents in preparation for transition to Biden Presidency.
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#9698
It been only thirteen days since Biden was the majority choice for President and we already have two promising Covid vaccines.
Maybe Trump should start hanging out in the basement.
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#9699
Republican logic, whistleblowers not blowing whistles is proof of corruption.

“If we let stand — if this corrupt Justice Department leadership, this corrupt FBI leadership, and for all I know, the entire counterintelligence and spy agencies are corrupt as well because their leaders certainly were under [former President Barack Obama] and they persisted without a single whistleblower stepping forward.”
Lou Dobbs
Beach Fanatic
#9700
It been only thirteen days since Biden was the majority choice for President and we already have two promising Covid vaccines.

I guess you know what the Trump narrative on that is right? I think Obama's comments lately have been spot on. People do not believe in a lie unless they want to. Trump supporters want to believe that Democrats are atheist and socialist, lazy and unproductive, disrespectful and vulgar, anti-American and anti-Cultural and finally a bunch of intellectual morons without common sense. They are inspired by the simplicity of the false narrative which fits their super natural beliefs. Trump came along and took them to the promised land of milk and honey...
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#9701
I guess you know what the Trump narrative on that is right? I think Obama's comments lately have been spot on. People do not believe in a lie unless they want to. Trump supporters want to believe that Democrats are atheist and socialist, lazy and unproductive, disrespectful and vulgar, anti-American and anti-Cultural and finally a bunch of intellectual morons without common sense. They are inspired by the simplicity of the false narrative which fits their super natural beliefs. Trump came along and took them to the promised land of milk and honey...
Don’t give two shts what they have to say and I hope the trump conspiracies are true the pharmaceutical companies withheld the news of their vaccines until after the election.

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