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At least five key Trump aides and advisors have refused to comply with subpoenas, so there is no testimony to convey to you. This is called stonewalling. Some could call it obstruction of justice. One of these five key witnesses, Bannon, is now been found in contempt of Congress. So, again, I'm asking you, do you want to know the facts behind the Planning of the events of Jan. 6th or not? It's only the Republicans who are refusing to testify.

LVT I 100% want to know all the facts but saying some people aren't complying with subpoenas isn't an admission of guilt, that happens everyday from both sides of the isle. As a side bar I believe that people should not be allowed to take the 5th when it comes to activities that happen while they are working (being paid) if they do take the 5th they should lose any pensions or benefits. Just my thoughts

Location, location, location. And thanks for continuing to defend theses un-American a-holes who can’t accept reality.

So you believe all the people at the Jan 6th rally were unAmerican assholes?
As I stated earlier, I support anyone's right to protest up until it becomes a crime (violent, looting, destruction of prop, ect)
Also if possible please answer the original question, other then Jan 6th name me one person in our entire country who has been found guilty of parading, demonstrating, or picketing over the last couple of years

This is the entire video. The part you played earlier was edited. In it, he clearly states that the arguments in his memo were valid, and that Pence could have overthrown the election, which is simply wrong. Pence never had that constitutional authority. By the way, this guy you are trying to defend, has several times said his memo was "crazy and "not viable". And also, he is being called to testify in the Jan. 6 investigation. Let's see if he shows up.

LVT I 100% want to know all the facts but saying some people aren't complying with subpoenas isn't an admission of guilt, that happens everyday from both sides of the isle. As a side bar I believe that people should not be allowed to take the 5th when it comes to activities that happen while they are working (being paid) if they do take the 5th they should lose any pensions or benefits. Just my thoughts

I never said it was an admission of guilt. I said it was stonewalling and it seems like obstruction of justice. The investigation is attempting to find out the facts, and the key players are refusing to testify. It sure looks like guilt to me. So, you say you want to 100% know all the facts. Should these people who are defying the subpoenas be held in contempt? Or are you just giving lip service to an illusion of transparency?

So you believe all the people at the Jan 6th rally were unAmerican assholes?
As I stated earlier, I support anyone's right to protest up until it becomes a crime (violent, looting, destruction of prop, ect)
Also if possible please answer the original question, other then Jan 6th name me one person in our entire country who has been found guilty of parading, demonstrating, or picketing over the last couple of years

There are none. No one before has paraded, picketed, erected a gallows, threatened to hang the VP and SOTH, or demonstrated inside the capitol after forceful entry without permission at the direction of a sitting president while congress was in the process of certifying a free and fair election certified by all fifty states both Democrat and Republican led.
Yes they are fu*king un-American assholes. He lost and, like him, they are too immature to accept it.
Those who stayed peacefully outside the barriers have nothing to fear.

This is the entire video. The part you played earlier was edited. In it, he clearly states that the arguments in his memo were valid, and that Pence could have overthrown the election, which is simply wrong. Pence never had that constitutional authority. By the way, this guy you are trying to defend, has several times said his memo was "crazy and "not viable". And also, he is being called to testify in the Jan. 6 investigation. Let's see if he shows up.

Willfully ignorant. Clearly Lou is unfamiliar with this memo or too lazy to read it.

I never said it was an admission of guilt. I said it was stonewalling and it seems like obstruction of justice. The investigation is attempting to find out the facts, and the key players are refusing to testify. It sure looks like guilt to me. So, you say you want to 100% know all the facts. Should these people who are defying the subpoenas be held in contempt? Or are you just giving lip service to an illusion of transparency?

LVT I shouldn't have phrased it as an admission of guilt instead more of a guilt by silence kinda thing. I'm a hell of a carpenter but not a lawyer, for me if you are subpoenaed and do not show you should be held in some kind of contempt (but I try not to speak about what I don't know about). You will never get lip service from my end. I think everything in government should be on record for everyone to see therefor ensuring transparency

Willfully ignorant. Clearly Lou is unfamiliar with this memo or too lazy to read it.

Poppa why be a JO? I have not seen it, I didn't know of its existence, and I want to see it, give me enough time to check it out and I will post back accordingly. Don't come out swinging because we sit on opposite sides of the isle. I want the truth. period.

LVT I shouldn't have phrased it as an admission of guilt instead more of a guilt by silence kinda thing. I'm a hell of a carpenter but not a lawyer, for me if you are subpoenaed and do not show you should be held in some kind of contempt (but I try not to speak about what I don't know about). You will never get lip service from my end. I think everything in government should be on record for everyone to see therefor ensuring transparency

Read this article and then you will know a little bit more about the investigation and the stonewalling. By the way, your earlier post quoted an article that only about 106 people have been found guilty out of some 500 charged in the insurrection. The article said 106 have pleaded guilty. That means there are still about 400 more who are still awaiting trial. Most jurisdictions don't charge people unless they have fairly compelling evidence.

Poppa why be a JO? I have not seen it, I didn't know of its existence, and I want to see it, give me enough time to check it out and I will post back accordingly. Don't come out swinging because we sit on opposite sides of the isle. I want the truth. period.

Fair enough, but it has been out there for a while so maybe you should be questioning why your news sources didn’t report it.
It’s a six step plan to overturn the election.

I've noticed you guys keep using the word insurrection. How many people have been charged with insurrection? I noticed you used the phrase 'trying to overthrow the government. How many people have been charged with this? You stated Trump was involved with the planning of the Jan 6th incident, where's your proof of this and has he been charged with anything? One thing I can promise you is if Trump did anything wrong they would be trying to nail him to the stake.

I think you lack an understanding of the legal system, case building in particular. When someone fails at their intended crimes, it is often difficult to make a case for their intended crimes.

What’s MTG?

Monotodium glutamate.

Trump advising 4 former aides to ignore subpoenas from Jan. 6 panel: report

Former President Trump is reportedly advising four of his former aides to defy subpoenas they received from the select committee investigating the Jan.

thehill.com

Read this article and then you will know a little bit more about the investigation and the stonewalling. By the way, your earlier post quoted an article that only about 106 people have been found guilty out of some 500 charged in the insurrection. The article said 106 have pleaded guilty. That means there are still about 400 more who are still awaiting trial. Most jurisdictions don't charge people unless they have fairly compelling evidence.

LVT Just read the article and I cannot get past some points that I have read. First it says Trump is 'reportedly' advising, second its states 'the letter, according to politico' (if they have a letter then show it), then it states Trump will use executive privilege (there is no executive privilege for past presidents), Biden has the right to expose this to daylight, if its true he should do so. We should all want the truth but that word does not carry the weight it once did. You are correct on the pleaded guilty, that being said it is hard to not plead guilty to parading, demonstrating, and picketing when they have footage of you doing those things. A lot of Americans have done all these things and yet only the Jan 6th people have been found guilty of a crime because of them, thats not right

Fair enough, but it has been out there for a while so maybe you should be questioning why your news sources didn’t report it.
It’s a six step plan to overturn the election.

Poppa Just knocked off work I will find it, read it, and report back

I think you lack an understanding of the legal system, case building in particular. When someone fails at their intended crimes, it is often difficult to make a case for their intended crimes.

I would concede to your point but NO ONE has been charged with any of the high crimes we constantly hear about (insurrection, treason, ect)

Willfully ignorant. Clearly Lou is unfamiliar with this memo or too lazy to read it.

Poppa Just read the memo a couple of times. That memo was a childish attempt at a end run around, that kind of crap should never and I glad it didn't happen. That is the kind of thing that would hurt our country. There comes a time when you have to say 'lets run someone better next time' and be an adult

LVT Just read the article and I cannot get past some points that I have read. First it says Trump is 'reportedly' advising, second its states 'the letter, according to politico' (if they have a letter then show it), then it states Trump will use executive privilege (there is no executive privilege for past presidents), Biden has the right to expose this to daylight, if its true he should do so. We should all want the truth but that word does not carry the weight it once did. You are correct on the pleaded guilty, that being said it is hard to not plead guilty to parading, demonstrating, and picketing when they have footage of you doing those things. A lot of Americans have done all these things and yet only the Jan 6th people have been found guilty of a crime because of them, thats not right

They have not been charged (or pleaded guilty) to parading, demonstrating, and picketing. They have been charged and have pleaded guilty to breaking and entering, assault and battery on a police officer, destruction of Federal property, trespassing on Federal property, and probably a dozen more crimes I can't keep track of the names. If you can look at the videos of this event and call it "parading" you are certainly the most disinformed person on this forum (maybe with the exception of Happy). These people carried and used tear gas and mace, wore helmet and body armor, and bludgeoned police with fire extinguishers, and the American Flag at one point, and anything else they could use for a club. You better open your eyes.

LVT Just read the article and I cannot get past some points that I have read. First it says Trump is 'reportedly' advising, second its states 'the letter, according to politico' (if they have a letter then show it), then it states Trump will use executive privilege (there is no executive privilege for past presidents), Biden has the right to expose this to daylight, if its true he should do so. We should all want the truth but that word does not carry the weight it once did. You are correct on the pleaded guilty, that being said it is hard to not plead guilty to parading, demonstrating, and picketing when they have footage of you doing those things. A lot of Americans have done all these things and yet only the Jan 6th people have been found guilty of a crime because of them, thats not right

You are the referring to ones who pleaded guilty to the charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. The part you leave out is “in a Capitol building.” You can’t force your way through police barriers and break into the Capitol.
Many were allowed this plea to expedite the process and everyone of them should be thankful it ended there.
So far 684 people have been arrested and charged with crimes from minor to felonies. Anyone who paraded, picketed, or demonstrated peacefully can rest easy.

I would concede to your point but NO ONE has been charged with any of the high crimes we constantly hear about (insurrection, treason, ect)

Jesus effin' Christ, do you not understand that the justice system often depends on convicting people of lesser crimes than they are possibly guilty of committing? Do you live in a cave?

They have not been charged (or pleaded guilty) to parading, demonstrating, and picketing. They have been charged and have pleaded guilty to breaking and entering, assault and battery on a police officer, destruction of Federal property, trespassing on Federal property, and probably a dozen more crimes I can't keep track of the names. If you can look at the videos of this event and call it "parading" you are certainly the most disinformed person on this forum (maybe with the exception of Happy). These people carried and used tear gas and mace, wore helmet and body armor, and bludgeoned police with fire extinguishers, and the American Flag at one point, and anything else they could use for a club. You better open your eyes.

Lou has a problem. He can't differentiate between what people have been charged with, and what their actual crimes might have been had they been pursued to the letter of the law. I blame the education system. Being a carpenter as he says he is, is no excuse for profound ignorance.

They have not been charged (or pleaded guilty) to parading, demonstrating, and picketing. They have been charged and have pleaded guilty to breaking and entering, assault and battery on a police officer, destruction of Federal property, trespassing on Federal property, and probably a dozen more crimes I can't keep track of the names. If you can look at the videos of this event and call it "parading" you are certainly the most disinformed person on this forum (maybe with the exception of Happy). These people carried and used tear gas and mace, wore helmet and body armor, and bludgeoned police with fire extinguishers, and the American Flag at one point, and anything else they could use for a club. You better open your eyes.

LVT please look at the article again (linked below), it lists all 105 people that have pleaded guilty and I would guess about 75% of them pleaded guilty to parading, demonstrating, and picketing. I watched the Jan 6th event in real time from the live feed from the capital and I can assure you it looked a lot different then most of the edited clips that have made the rounds. If you think we have a fair media try to find the live stream videos from Jan 6th. My eyes are wide open

You are the referring to ones who pleaded guilty to the charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. The part you leave out is “in a Capitol building.” You can’t force your way through police barriers and break into the Capitol.
Many were allowed this plea to expedite the process and everyone of them should be thankful it ended there.
So far 684 people have been arrested and charged with crimes from minor to felonies. Anyone who paraded, picketed, or demonstrated peacefully can rest easy.

Poppa As I have already stated a couple of times, anyone that broke the law should be punished for that offense. The issue is these offenses should be in line with every other citizen that has committed the same crime. This is where the rub comes from

Jesus effin' Christ, do you not understand that the justice system often depends on convicting people of lesser crimes than they are possibly guilty of committing? Do you live in a cave?

LOTB First try to stay calm it's gonna be alright, second lets be very clear NO ONE has even been charged with insurrection or treason. Your argument is very flawed. Do you live in a cave?

LOTB First try to stay calm it's gonna be alright, second lets be very clear NO ONE has even been charged with insurrection or treason. Your argument is very flawed. Do you live in a cave?

You just keep repeating the same point that I rendered meaningless without even trying to convince me that I'm wrong.

Lou has a problem. He can't differentiate between what people have been charged with, and what their actual crimes might have been had they been pursued to the letter of the law. I blame the education system. Being a carpenter as he says he is, is no excuse for profound ignorance.

LOTB check out the article below. Maybe pick 5 names of those that have plead guilty and compare them with what they were charged with then tell me who's being ignorant. If you would ever like to discuss politics I would love to do so over lunch as I find it more enlightening to hear from the other side of the isle instead of my own. I'll even buy. I'm easy to find I post under my actual name. Thanks in advance