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Beach Fanatic
#10802
Well we are actually the ones giving money to China. . The lower inflation bill they are trying to pass, will be having China making all of the American green bill equipment that it needs. They will be paying them billions and billions of our American money to make all the new green Deal supplies . Please keep in mind that China is using coal and fossil fuels to make these supplies and they will not be using any of it themselves. They will keep using Coal and fossil fuel that we are taking away from the American people. UMMMMM do you understand how Stupid this is ? The whole world needs to get on same page with global climate change or it doesn't work.
We all buy a lot of stuff from China because it is cheaper than American made. I promise you that republican politicians use our tax dollars to buy stuff from China. It is a game of smoke and mirrors. It is all very stupid because we want American jobs but it is the way our global economy works. I think Congress needs to stop using these political games but what are the chances of that. All we can do is research our political choices the best we can and then vote. When they stop representing us we vote them out.
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#10805
Well we are actually the ones giving money to China. . The lower inflation bill they are trying to pass, will be having China making all of the American green bill equipment that it needs. They will be paying them billions and billions of our American money to make all the new green Deal supplies . Please keep in mind that China is using coal and fossil fuels to make these supplies and they will not be using any of it themselves. They will keep using Coal and fossil fuel that we are taking away from the American people. UMMMMM do you understand how Stupid this is ? The whole world needs to get on same page with global climate change or it doesn't work.
Let me start by saying I was laughing at myself for misreading your post referring to China.
On the climate I respectfully disagree. Every country should be a part of the solution, but it had to start somewhere and someone has to lead. Close to 200 countries are part of the Paris Climate Agreement the same one Biden had the U.S. rejoin after trump pulled us out.
I will take baby steps over nothing.
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#10806
Let me start by saying I was laughing at myself for misreading your post referring to China.
On the climate I respectfully disagree. Every country should be a part of the solution, but it had to start somewhere and someone has to lead. Close to 200 countries are part of the Paris Climate Agreement the same one Biden had the U.S. rejoin after trump pulled us out.
I will take baby steps over nothing.
Al lot of people have that mentality where they can't seem to grasp that 50% is better than 0%. Anything less than 100% is failure.
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#10807
Al lot of people have that mentality where they can't seem to grasp that 50% is better than 0%. Anything less than 100% is failure.

In a related note, they don't realize that even with our current electric power plants operating largely on fossil fuels, electric cars are not only cheaper to operate fuel-wise, they are in totality cleaner than ICE cars. The reason is because even at the present, the amount of plants using cleaner sources of energy such as nuclear and hydro is not insignificant. Also more and more homes are using solar, and the use of solar farms and wind farms will continue to grow. Natural gas, while a fossil fuel, is cleaner and more efficient than other fossil fuels. Locally our electricity comes from the burning of natural gas. So while it's not 100% clean, it does help reduce the carbon footprint over other fossil fuels. Net zero emission goal is about thirty years down the road. We can do this, but only if the naysayers quit it with the politricks.
Beach Fanatic
#10808
When it comes to net zero emission I don't understand. Are Americans going to stop traveling or turn off the AC. Each time I fly I look at the grid of other planes in the air at the same time and it is staggering. Are Americans going to build homes with solar and wind energy. My point is that politics may divide us over climate change and green energy but "we" have to solve the problem in our homes and the way we travel. Another point is that utilities like FPL are doing everything they can to monopolize energy. FPL advertises planet friendly but if we only knew what is going on behind the political doors we would all be shocked. I think green energy is great but it will be up to us to buy those electric cars, solar panels and wind turbines not to mention change the way we travel. Incentives are wonderful tools but the divisive tones brought to you and I by our political division will be a problem just like with the vaccines. Even if we could get on the same page we still have the problem of I want what I want and will travel to get it. We need to elect good and honest leaders who are willing to tell us the whole truth.

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Beach FanaticAuthor
#10809
When it comes to net zero emission I don't understand. Are Americans going to stop traveling. Each time I fly I look at the grid of other planes in the air at the same time and it is staggering. Are Americans going to build homes with solar and wind energy. My point is that politics may divide us over climate change and green energy but "we" have to solve the problem in our homes and the way we travel. Another point is that utilities like FPL are doing everything they can to monopolize energy. FPL advertises planet friendly but if we only knew what is going on behind the political doors we would all be shocked. I think green energy is great but it will be up to us to buy those electric cars, solar panels and wind turbines not to mention change the way we travel. Incentives are wonderful tools but the divisive tones brought to you and I by our political division will be a problem just like with the vaccines. Even if we could get on the same page we still have the problem of I want what I want and will travel to get it. We need to elect good and honest leaders who are willing to tell us the whole truth.
I have to be honest. I read your post very quickly and I'm not sure what your point is. Please explain it to me like I'm five years old in a sentence or two. I doubt that net-zero would apply to things like air travel if that's what you are getting at. I doubt it will ever be achieved 100%, but but we've already covered that base. We are talking decades down the road for something approaching net-zero. Maybe they should change the name to net .0031459256536 just to lower expectations.

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#108101
These are supposedly photos of WH toilet. They look staged/photoshopped or something.
If fake this serves no one:
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Beach Fanatic
#10811
I have to be honest. I read your post very quickly and I'm not sure what your point is. Please explains it to me like I'm five years old in a sentence or two. I doubt that net-zero would apply to things like air travel if that's what you are getting at. I doubt it will ever be achieved 100%, but but we've already covered that base. We are talking decades down the road for something approaching net-zero. Maybe they should change the name to net .0031459256536 just to lower expectations.
Okay will do. Political division has the potential of closing doors not opening them. The door to helping this planet needs to be open so we can all or at least a healthy majority of us will go through that door. I believe there is hypocrisy in the terms net zero emissions or green energy because we all want AC, we all want to travel, we are not driving electric vehicles and we are not installing solar panels and wind turbines. So lets be honest about our planet and us humans on it. Fossil fuels bad for the planet. Humans have technology to reduce fossil fuels but we are not willing to go thru the door to help this planet. Information, incentives and conversations open the door. Political division, human greed and apathy closes the door.
Beach Fanatic
#10812
Okay will do. Political division has the potential of closing doors not opening them. The door to helping this planet needs to be open so we can all or at least a healthy majority of us will go through that door. I believe there is hypocrisy in the terms net zero emissions or green energy because we all want AC, we all want to travel, we are not driving electric vehicles and we are not installing solar panels and wind turbines. So lets be honest about our planet and us humans on it. Fossil fuels bad for the planet. Humans have technology to reduce fossil fuels but we are not willing to go thru the door to help this planet. Information, incentives and conversations open the door. Political division, human greed and apathy closes the door.
Maybe we should all study what we know of the Native American Culture and change the definition of civilization.
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#10813
Okay will do. Political division has the potential of closing doors not opening them. The door to helping this planet needs to be open so we can all or at least a healthy majority of us will go through that door. I believe there is hypocrisy in the terms net zero emissions or green energy because we all want AC, we all want to travel, we are not driving electric vehicles and we are not installing solar panels and wind turbines. So lets be honest about our planet and us humans on it. Fossil fuels bad for the planet. Humans have technology to reduce fossil fuels but we are not willing to go thru the door to help this planet. Information, incentives and conversations open the door. Political division, human greed and apathy closes the door.
All I can say is that the good people will do their best and try to keep learning along the way. Nothing is going to happen overnight, but some people are starting to at least think about making the transition. I guarantee you, things will improve.
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Beach Fanatic
#10814
All I can say is that the good people will do their best and try to keep learning along the way. Nothing is going to happen overnight, but some people are starting to at least think about making the transition. I guarantee you, things will improve.
oh you guarantee things will improve. 72% of Americans say this bill is going in the wrong direction. 15% corporate tax rate increase will cost the American people more inflation. Even Bernie said that this bill will not reduce inflation. Thats big coming from Bernie. 87,000 more IRS workers to audit the lower and middle class . They increased the IRS budget 6 X what it was. Do you honestly thing this is a inflation reduction act? The green part of this bill will not even go into any type of effect till after 2025. So both parties need to get it together and start working for the American people , both are a terrible right now.
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#10820
oh you guarantee things will improve. 72% of Americans say this bill is going in the wrong direction. 15% corporate tax rate increase will cost the American people more inflation. Even Bernie said that this bill will not reduce inflation. Thats big coming from Bernie. 87,000 more IRS workers to audit the lower and middle class . They increased the IRS budget 6 X what it was. Do you honestly thing this is a inflation reduction act? The green part of this bill will not even go into any type of effect till after 2025. So both parties need to get it together and start working for the American people , both are a terrible right now.
If nothing else, it sucks to be you.
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Beach Fanatic
#10821
If nothing else, it sucks to be you.
Funny, good response when you know you are wrong. You should have just been honest and said it Sucks to be an American with this Administration in charge. At least 72% of Americans feel that way.
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#10822
Funny, good response when you know you are wrong. You should have just been honest and said it Sucks to be an American with this Administration in charge. At least 72% of Americans feel that way.
If you don't like it here leave.
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Beach Fanatic
#10823
If you don't like it here leave.
Funny again, why would I leave ? I’m here to fight for my grandkids. Just because we have a terrible administration, I’m not giving up on changing things to the right direction. Going to vote the right people in and hope it turns around.
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SoWal Insider
#10824
Funny again, why would I leave ? I’m here to fight for my grandkids. Just because we have a terrible administration, I’m not giving up on changing things to the right direction. Going to vote the right people in and hope it turns around.
And I’m here to fight for my grandkids two of whom have type 1 diabetes. So tell me why republicans refuse to cap the cost of insulin in this country or do a damn thing about healthcare. Insulin cost about $10 per vial to manufacture.
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Beach Fanatic
#10825
And I’m here to fight for my grandkids two of whom have type 1 diabetes. So tell me why republicans refuse to cap the cost of insulin in this country or do a damn thing about healthcare. Insulin cost about $10 per vial to manufacture.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but maybe if the Dems wouldn’t add unnecessary crap in their bills then the republicans would vote for them. Yes the Republicans do it too. Bad cycle of Congress. The republicans said they were for drug cost. It’s as easy as that. So pass the message to the ones you voted for.
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#10826
Sorry to burst your bubble, but maybe if the Dems wouldn’t add unnecessary crap in their bills then the republicans would vote for them. Yes the Republicans do it too. Bad cycle of Congress. The republicans said they were for drug cost. It’s as easy as that. So pass the message to the ones you voted for.
No, don’t go there. The ACA was signed into law in 2010 and despite their promises republicans have yet to offer any form of healthcare plan.
All they have done is repeatedly try to eliminate the ACA with zero alternative.

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