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Beach Fanatic
#11152
No. Any president cannot declassify any document without going through documented procedure. Again, please prove that he de-classified these specific documents.

Can presidents declassify matters directly?​

Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.
Beach Fanatic
#11153
Post one link to your research or STFU.

Can presidents declassify matters directly?​

Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.

I guess I won't be STFU there PD
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#11154

Can presidents declassify matters directly?​

Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.

I guess I won't be STFU there PD
Link? :rotfl:
Beach Fanatic
#11155
You couldn't possibly be more wrong and inaccurate.
About what?
Can any president declassify any document they want? YES
Next question socrates
Beach Fanatic
#11156
Link? :rotfl:
google
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SoWal Insider
#11157
google
Okay, and a link.

Despite Trump's claims, experts say there's no 'magic wand' for a president to declassify documents​


Beach Fanatic
#11158
When / how did Trump commit treason?
By licking Putins balls.
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#11159
By licking Putins balls.
I just blew water through my nose. :lol:
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#11160
Your hatred of Trump has you reaching. How did he not cooperate? You keep using the term ' Any reasonable person' and 'court of common sense', these are your opinions, not fact or truth. Any president can declassify any document they want, period. You know this to be true (if you really did work with classified info). Who's personal property? What was stolen from who?

I very clearly explained the differences between public opinion and legal conclusions. The property (documents) belonged to the government and Trump stole it. As far as my experience, this situation regarding the right to declassify just before leaving office and then stealing the unclassified documents is unprecedented. That is best for the courts to decide. The argument that he had that power is questionable at best.

The legal system decided that the search was warranted. Trump was not up front about the property that he stole. An informer on the inside expressed grave concern about the sensitive nature of some of the documents that were still labeled TOP SECRET, although he claims to have declassified them. The government would have every reason and right to be concerned that declassifying the stolen documents was an act of poor judgement. They also had every reason and right to question the legality of a snap decision to declassify highly sensitive documents prior to stealing them upon being fired from his job. The government gets some documents back, then they find out there are more, and Trump is even hiding them. Of course there is a court of public opinion and common sense. In no way do I imply that it takes precedence over a legal court. You seem to subscribe to the court of ignorance, rage, and denial.
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#11161
google
Wow, Big Lou, you are taking this to the mat. How come Don hasn’t produced proof that he de-classified these documents? Where is the documentation?
Beach Fanatic
#11162
By licking Putins balls.
Were you there? Are you jealous?
Beach Fanatic
#11163
I very clearly explained the differences between public opinion and legal conclusions. The property (documents) belonged to the government and Trump stole it. As far as my experience, this situation regarding the right to declassify just before leaving office and then stealing the unclassified documents is unprecedented. That is best for the courts to decide. The argument that he had that power is questionable at best.

The legal system decided that the search was warranted. Trump was not up front about the property that he stole. An informer on the inside expressed grave concern about the sensitive nature of some of the documents that were still labeled TOP SECRET, although he claims to have declassified them. The government would have every reason and right to be concerned that declassifying the stolen documents was an act of poor judgement. They also had every reason and right to question the legality of a snap decision to declassify highly sensitive documents prior to stealing them upon being fired from his job. The government gets some documents back, then they find out there are more, and Trump is even hiding them. Of course there is a court of public opinion and common sense. In no way do I imply that it takes precedence over a legal court. You seem to subscribe to the court of ignorance, rage, and denial.
LOTB
Clearly the left has thrown everything they have at Trump for the last 6+ years
If Trump stole anything he would be in jail
The argument that he had the power to declassify info isn't even in question, any president can declassify any document they wish while in office, period. This isn't even remotely in question. If you want to argue that he shouldn't have done it I can see your point.
When did we start calling people who weren't reelected 'fired'?
As far as your personal attacks these come from having a small wee wee, you'll be alright
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#11164
No. Any president cannot declassify any document without going through documented procedure. Again, please prove that he de-classified these specific documents.

I'd be willing to appease Lou just for the sake of argument that Trump could declassify the documents. The fact would remain he stole highly sensitive albeit unclassified (bullshit IMO) documents and kept them in a non-secure area. The law states that documents can be REclassified, a long as that information is not entered into the public. So yeah if Trump had stolen them and had publicly revealed formerly TOP SECRET info on Truth Social, he would still be guilty of theft and dissemination of sensitive government information. My guess is that the information has already been reclassified. The thing is, how would you know what to reclassify when the person who declassified it doesn't tell anyone or record it, and then steals it?
Beach Fanatic
#11165
This is an educated assessment. The only reason the DOJ hasn’t charged him is because they are trying to assess the extent of the damage. I think Matt is correct in his assessment. They have proof positive that he stole the documents. Prove positive that he obstructed justice. And the key thing is several of his lawyers are facing 10 years or more for the same charges. Why wouldn’t they turn on him?
Yet somehow, even with allllllllllllllll this proof, he hasn't been convicted of theft or obstruction. Maybe its cause everyone loves him sooooooooooooo much
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#11166
LOTB
Clearly the left has thrown everything they have at Trump for the last 6+ years
If Trump stole anything he would be in jail
The argument that he had the power to declassify info isn't even in question, any president can declassify any document they wish while in office, period. This isn't even remotely in question. If you want to argue that he shouldn't have done it I can see your point.
When did we start calling people who weren't reelected 'fired'?
As far as your personal attacks these come from having a small wee wee, you'll be alright
Like I said, ignorance, rage, and denial.
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#11167
Yet somehow, even with allllllllllllllll this proof, he hasn't been convicted of theft or obstruction. Maybe its cause everyone loves him sooooooooooooo much
Now that’s funny
Beach Fanatic
#11168
I'd be willing to appease Lou just for the sake of argument that Trump could declassify the documents. The fact would remain he stole highly sensitive albeit unclassified (bullshit IMO) documents and kept them in a non-secure area. The law states that documents can be REclassified, a long as that information is not entered into the public. So yeah if Trump had stolen them had publicly revealed formerly TOP SECRET info on Truth Social, he would still be guilty of theft and dissemination of sensitive government information. My guess is that the information has already been reclassified. The thing is, how would you know what to reclassify when the person who declassified it doesn't tell anyone or record it, and then steals it?
I agree he should not have taken any top secret documents, I can see keeping some momentums of his time in office but he should have done a better job of going through. Lets face it no one on here knows how this all went down. Did Trump just tell his people 'OK pack that pile of papers up' or did his pick through info and take strategic document? I don't know and I doubt anyone here knows. If he took them with bad intentions I don't think they would have been in a closet in one of his homes but that is just my opinion. I think we can both agree that Trump is probably a very vindictive guy, that being said if he wanted to do harm with top secret paperwork he would have done so, at least that what I would have thought. The jump I cannot make with you guys is that he would steal documents and then leave them laying around. Once again just my opinion
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#11169
I'd be willing to appease Lou just for the sake of argument that Trump could declassify the documents. The fact would remain he stole highly sensitive albeit unclassified (bullshit IMO) documents and kept them in a non-secure area. The law states that documents can be REclassified, a long as that information is not entered into the public. So yeah if Trump had stolen them and had publicly revealed formerly TOP SECRET info on Truth Social, he would still be guilty of theft and dissemination of sensitive government information. My guess is that the information has already been reclassified. The thing is, how would you know what to reclassify when the person who declassified it doesn't tell anyone or record it, and then steals it?
Like I said, ignorance, rage, and denial.
Jeopardy?
What are the three stages of dumbassery?
Beach Fanatic
#11170
Like I said, ignorance, rage, and denial.
Like I said, small wee wee
Beach Fanatic
#11171
Now that’s funny
I'm here all night, don't forget to tip your waiter
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#11172
I agree he should not have taken any top secret documents, I can see keeping some momentums of his time in office but he should have done a better job of going through. Lets face it no one on here knows how this all went down. Did Trump just tell his people 'OK pack that pile of papers up' or did his pick through info and take strategic document? I don't know and I doubt anyone here knows. If he took them with bad intentions I don't think they would have been in a closet in one of his homes but that is just my opinion. I think we can both agree that Trump is probably a very vindictive guy, that being said if he wanted to do harm with top secret paperwork he would have done so, at least that what I would have thought. The jump I cannot make with you guys is that he would steal documents and then leave them laying around. Once again just my opinion
Or he could have done it properly and legally like Obama.
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#11173
Yet somehow, even with allllllllllllllll this proof, he hasn't been convicted of theft or obstruction. Maybe its cause everyone loves him sooooooooooooo much
He’s very popular with the uneducated. And the dissinformation machine is great for TV ratings.Do you really want your government run by the idol worship of stupid people?
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#11174
I'm here all night, don't forget to tip your waiter
I’m not. It’s been fun, but time to watch something on the tv
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#11175
Okay first of all are you a lawyer? I'm not. However trump's lawyers just pleaded today that those documents were like "overdue library books" :) If you and I have an overdue library book then you and I should be accountable. Now If you have taken a library book without checking it out first then it is called stealing the library book. That is what I would argue if I were a lawyer for we the people. You can not de-classify the library book because it was never yours to begin with. We the people own that library book. If you believe in our Democracy then you have trust in the Judicial branch of government. It is not perfect but it is a lot closer to perfect than the man you believe is above the law...
Lou is trying to make the argument that one nanosecond prior to Biden's inauguration, Trump waved his magic wand and magically declassified a trove of classified information prior to stealing it.
Beach Fanatic
#11176
He’s very popular with the uneducated. And the dissinformation machine is great for TV ratings.Do you really want your government run by the idol worship of stupid people?
Stupid people probably means something different to you then it does to me

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