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What hypocrisy of mine am I proving?
What was Matt right about? What am I trying to have both ways?

How is a wall a symbol of American stupidity?
Does every other country with a wall have the same symbol of stupidity?

The best part about physical structures is that they work
Why have a lock on your doors?
Why build fences around something you want to protect?
These concepts seem very basic, am I missing something?

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Matt
Have you ever been right?
You have no idea what you are talking about at all yet again
I work side by side with my workers
I do not exploit anyone as they have to have workmens comp and general liability insurance to work for me. A check gets written from my company to theirs every week.
What basic labor regulations am I not following

I have helped more foreigners then you have ever met. If I have committed a crime please call me in
Heres my info
Lou Deman owner of Deman Construction LLC
CGC 1261315
5365 East County Highway 30A suite 106
Santa Rosa Beach Florida 32459

Let me know if you need anything else
The kids in question makes great money (I'll bet he makes more then you)

Let me know when you would like to meet up and discuss whatever you need clarification of

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

You are a clown

So you've mentioned "meeting up" several times. Not gonna happen. Feel free to communicate here, but your thinly veiled threats are old. Make a point or move on.

You are exploiting them by not hiring them straight on. Let me guess you're helping them save money by not paying W2 wages? You "let them be independent" by having their own companies, but you exploit again by still treating them like W2 employees. You get all the labor without the legitimate extra cost.

I don't really care how bad your feelings get hurt, but you're only proving my point when you respond with insults and intimidation

#Pro

What hypocrisy of mine am I proving?
What was Matt right about? What am I trying to have both ways?

How is a wall a symbol of American stupidity?
Does every other country with a wall have the same symbol of stupidity?

The best part about physical structures is that they work
Why have a lock on your doors?
Why build fences around something you want to protect?
These concepts seem very basic, am I missing something?

You want and need workers and don't care that they are illegal except for the politics.

Walls do not last forever, are not effective and would be constantly rebuilding and spending tax dollars instead of using technology and bipartisan policy making common sense.

If you want to build a fence fine with me but you know those cost a lot of money too when this problem could be solved with common sense and technology. A fence might be a compromise but we both know it would be ineffective.

Yes you don't see the hypocrisy and that is what you are missing. We all have a little hypocrisy so I am no different but lets just try to get on the same page with common sense.

So you've mentioned "meeting up" several times. Not gonna happen. Feel free to communicate here, but your thinly veiled threats are old. Make a point or move on.

You are exploiting them by not hiring them straight on. Let me guess you're helping them save money by not paying W2 wages? You "let them be independent" by having their own companies, but you exploit again by still treating them like W2 employees. You get all the labor without the legitimate extra cost.

I don't really care how bad your feelings get hurt, but you're only proving my point when you respond with insults and intimidation

How do you hire someone with no social security number?
You are a typical clown, you know it all until its time to actually know something
It is way less expensive to bring them in house but there is no means to legitimately do so, you are wrong yet again.

You want and need workers and don't care that they are illegal except for the politics.

Walls do not last forever, are not effective and would be constantly rebuilding and spending tax dollars instead of using technology and bipartisan policy making common sense.

If you want to build a fence fine with me but you know those cost a lot of money too when this problem could be solved with common sense and technology. A fence might be a compromise but we both know it would be ineffective.

Yes you don't see the hypocrisy and that is what you are missing. We all have a little hypocrisy so I am no different but lets just try to get on the same page with common sense.

I only see people in 2 ways, good people and bad people, politics have nothing to do with it

Your opinion on walls is your opinion, I'm pretty sure walls last a fairly long time

What technology is going to stop people, in any kind of real measure, from crossing the border?
Once again how do they keep people out of the White House? Technology and policy?

So answer the very simple and very direct question, what hypocrisy am I proving? Don't dance, answer, use your common sense

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#Pro

Exactly 27 years and going strong. Trying to retire before I'm 52 #Thanks

I only see people in 2 ways, good people and bad people, politics have nothing to do with it

Your opinion on walls is your opinion, I'm pretty sure walls last a fairly long time

What technology is going to stop people, in any kind of real measure, from crossing the border?
Once again how do they keep people out of the White House? Technology and policy?

So answer the very simple and very direct question, what hypocrisy am I proving? Don't dance, answer, use your common sense

You prefer the labor of illegals than training American workers. You then blame on politics instead of yourself which is part of the problem. You are not the only one but still part of the problem. What makes this worse is that you then try to justify it.

If you own a smart phone I know you understand what technology can do.

Human beings are not perfect. You can try to label a person good or bad but we might want to leave that up to a higher power

You prefer the labor of illegals than training American workers. You then blame on politics instead of yourself which is part of the problem. You are not the only one but still part of the problem.

If you own a smart phone I know you understand what technology can do.

Human beings are not perfect. You can try to label a person good or bad but we might want to leave that up to a higher power

Now you are playing the matt game. We have to use illegals because you cannot find an American that actually wants to work yet alone learn a trade. I would love to train some young Americans how to build but we cannot find any that want to learn.

Before you try to call me out I'll make you a deal, you bring me an American that wants to work and learn a trade and they will be making $75k within 3 years and $100k after 6. We have 4 American skilled workers in our company all of them make over $100k/year, I brought all of them down from New Jersey after I moved here.

Is there any chance of you answering the hypocrisy question? If I am getting something wrong I would like to fix it.

Both of us can make our decisions on who the good and the bad people are. The big guy will have the final say though.

Exactly 27 years and going strong. Trying to retire before I'm 52 #Thanks

Maybe time for an optometrist visit? I highlighted the point.

Now tell us again what a diligent detail oriented person you are.

Can I ask you guys a serious question? What is the lefts ultimate goal for America (as pertains to governments role)? What does a left utopia look like? As someone on the right, my personal end goal for America would be minimal government, fair tax system, fiscal responsibility in the spending of tax dollars, following the constitution as much as possible, strong military, secure borders, free speech.

Couple of questions, can you define a fair tax system, fiscal responsibility in the spending of tax dollars? And is there a give with following the constitution as much as possible, what exactly are you willing to allow? I am not trying to be contentious but maybe I can agree to it but those seems pretty broad so trying to narrow what exactly you mean.

Maybe time for an optometrist visit? I highlighted the point.View attachment 96075

Now tell us again what a diligent detail oriented person you are.

You keep getting better, we had to submit our continuing education in a couple of days ago, its takes them a few days to update. Try again, till then sit in the corner

Now you are playing the matt game. We have to use illegals because you cannot find an American that actually wants to work yet alone learn a trade. I would love to train some young Americans how to build but we cannot find any that want to learn.

Before you try to call me out I'll make you a deal, you bring me an American that wants to work and learn a trade and they will be making $75k within 3 years and $100k after 6. We have 4 American skilled workers in our company all of them make over $100k/year, I brought all of them down from New Jersey after I moved here.

Is there any chance of you answering the hypocrisy question? If I am getting something wrong I would like to fix it.

Both of us can make our decisions on who the good and the bad people are. The big guy will have the final say though.

You only ask me to prove your hypocrisy so I did. Now you want me to bring you American workers. I think we can agree on things when you stop blaming the wrong people and then we both use common sense.

If you are I were in charge of dividing good people from bad people I think it would be over our heads so I TRY not to judge others.

You keep getting better, we had to submit our continuing education in a couple of days ago, its takes them a few days to update. Try again, till then sit in the corner

So you were late. You'd think after 20+ years things like this wouldn't happen. Long story short you were late, but then negligence on your part is excusable right? I leave you to discuss hypocrisy with Mputnal.

Notice how I'm ending all of these insult free posts without a childish closing insult? Join the discussion and do the same.

Couple of questions, can you define a fair tax system, fiscal responsibility in the spending of tax dollars? And is there a give with following the constitution as much as possible, what exactly are you willing to allow? I am not trying to be contentious but maybe I can agree to it but those seems pretty broad so trying to narrow what exactly you mean.

Bob if you are asking seriously I will always answer to the best of my ability.
A 'fair' tax system would be if everyone paid the same percentage of their income (lets say 10% or whatever). I'm also not against a tiered system but no matter what it will bend in the favor of whomever is writing / voting on the policy, this is just human nature. As far as fiscal responsibility we have to (from both sides) cut out all the pork they try to tie to bills we need. We also need to cut out all of the extras that we throw out that don't really help us. We are beyond broke so we need to tighten up our belts till we dig out.
I am fairly ridged as far as my desire to follow the constitution. Thats why I do not have a problem with the SCOTUS correcting the past wrong on abortion. On a personal level I do not care if anyone gets an abortion or not

You only ask me to prove your hypocrisy so I did. Now you want me to bring you American workers. I think we can agree on things when you stop blaming the wrong people and then we both use common sense.

If you are I were in charge of dividing good people from bad people I think it would be over our heads so I TRY not to judge others.

I must not be as smart as you, how did you prove my hypocrisy? Please spell it out because I can't find it. Whose is blaming the wrong people, who is to blame? and for what problems?

Personally I do not have any issues with judging the people in my life. I'm not judging them on legal guilt or eternal damnation, I think your allowed to do that.

So you were late. You'd think after 20+ years things like this wouldn't happen. Long story short you were late, but then negligence on your part is excusable right? I leave you to discuss hypocrisy with Mputnal.

Notice how I'm ending all of these insult free posts without a childish closing insult? Join the discussion and do the same.

Wrong again, wasn't late. If we sent it in late we would be inactive. Go back to the corner

You have pushed me to the point where I do not wish to interact with you on any level. I was taught very young to treat the weak well and bully those that bully. That is why I keep asking you to meet up, I know you won't because you are the kind that shouts from the dark because you cannot be seen, I don't like people like you but thats OK. If I really wanted to find out who you were I would, I've got it like that but I would rather just poke at you constantly being incorrect. You remind me of the people that yell at Biden during his speech, its OK to not like Biden (or Trump or whomever) but don't scream from the rafters like a child, say it to the mans face so it can be addressed. I do wish you the best though

Wrong again, wasn't late. If we sent it in late we would be inactive. Go back to the corner

You have pushed me to the point where I do not wish to interact with you on any level. I was taught very young to treat the weak well and bully those that bully. That is why I keep asking you to meet up, I know you won't because you are the kind that shouts from the dark because you cannot be seen, I don't like people like you but thats OK. If I really wanted to find out who you were I would, I've got it like that but I would rather just poke at you constantly being incorrect. You remind me of the people that yell at Biden during his speech, its OK to not like Biden (or Trump or whomever) but don't scream from the rafters like a child, say it to the mans face so it can be addressed. I do wish you the best though

How does meeting in person do anything but allow you to get physical? You are the worst kind of human being. You can't defend your positions so you attack. Call it what you want, but your ultimate argument is that you can kick someone's ass so you're right.

Take you're own advice and if you don't like it leave.

Bob if you are asking seriously I will always answer to the best of my ability.
A 'fair' tax system would be if everyone paid the same percentage of their income (lets say 10% or whatever). I'm also not against a tiered system but no matter what it will bend in the favor of whomever is writing / voting on the policy, this is just human nature. As far as fiscal responsibility we have to (from both sides) cut out all the pork they try to tie to bills we need. We also need to cut out all of the extras that we throw out that don't really help us. We are beyond broke so we need to tighten up our belts till we dig out.
I am fairly ridged as far as my desire to follow the constitution. Thats why I do not have a problem with the SCOTUS correcting the past wrong on abortion. On a personal level I do not care if anyone gets an abortion or not

Lou, There are numerous reasons why you can not have a flat tax. The higher up the income level the more you have tax advantages and loop holes. This is common sense. Wealthier people/corporations should be taxed at higher rates because of this access to legislators, lawyers and lobbyist helping pass laws that allow for those tax advantages. Listen I could go on but you know all this and not really interested to find bipartisan ways to have better fiscal responsibility. I have no idea what you really mean by extras. Extras for disaster relief, healthcare, social security, medicare, medicaid etc? Do you think only the leftist are fiscally irresponsible? I voted for Bush who paid trillions for corporate welfare. Was that fiscally responsible. Trump used bankruptcy court over and over. Do you think that was fiscally responsible. Do you want the government to tell you what you can do with your body and what you can not do or just women? Boy this would take a while but I am out of time for this nonsense.

I must not be as smart as you, how did you prove my hypocrisy? Please spell it out because I can't find it. Whose is blaming the wrong people, who is to blame? and for what problems?

Personally I do not have any issues with judging the people in my life. I'm not judging them on legal guilt or eternal damnation, I think your allowed to do that.

If you have been in business for 27 years then you are smart enough to see the hypocrisy but I get it. Look the other way works for some people. I will admit that I have to work at not being a hypocrite and I still fail every once in a while

How does meeting in person do anything but allow you to get physical? You are the worst kind of human being. You can't defend your positions so you attack. Call it what you want, but your ultimate argument is that you can kick someone's ass so you're right.

Take you're own advice and if you don't like it leave.

Wrong again, I would never start a physical altercation with anyone, thats not the way I roll. I have found that sometimes you need to get in front of people to stop them from running their mouths all loose. I can defend any and all of my positions because if I cannot do so I will change where I am on an issue. If I hear an argument here that proves my position wrong I change my thought process, it has happened on many occasions.

Lou, There are numerous reasons why you can not have a flat tax. The higher up the income level the more you have tax advantages and loop holes. This is common sense. Wealthier people/corporations should be taxed at higher rates because of this access to legislators, lawyers and lobbyist helping pass laws that allow for those tax advantages. Listen I could go on but you know all this and not really interested to find bipartisan ways to have better fiscal responsibility. I have no idea what you really mean by extras. Extras for disaster relief, healthcare, social security, medicare, medicaid etc? Do you think only the leftist are fiscally irresponsible? I voted for Bush who paid trillions for corporate welfare. Was that fiscally responsible. Trump used bankruptcy court over and over. Do you think that was fiscally responsible. Do you want the government to tell you what you can do with your body and what you can not do or just women? Boy this would take a while but I am out of time for this nonsense.

How would not having a fair (percentage based ) tax system be common sense? If everyone paid the same percentage there won't be tax advantages or loopholes. Am I right in reading that you think the wealthier / corp's should pay more because they have access to legislator's, lawyers, and lobbyists? Isn't this the problem?
This is the crap that pisses me off, how can you state that I am not interested in finding ways to be fiscally responsible? How can an intelligent person say this? I do not consider the the items you have listed as 'extras'. The extras I'm talking about are things like sex education for Ethiopia prostitutes, the social media war on tanning beds, subsidizing the airport on Martha's Vineyard, taxpayers paying private student debt, Pelosi's park, etc. We are all in charge of our personal finances and those decisions have consequences, our government works in the same way on a larger scale except the people that mess up only pay a miniscule amount of the debt.

I never said nor do I think our fiscal missteps are just from the left. I don't really care about Trump declaring bankruptcy.

I see you shifted gears to the abortion topic. I think the SCOTUS corrected a past wrong by given the power back to the states as the constitution intended. If the people want it to amend the constitution to include abortion that is another topic but this one is pretty straight forward once you remove the emotion. Did anyone take away any womans rights?

Make sure your blaming the right person for the nonsense

If you have been in business for 27 years then you are smart enough to see the hypocrisy but I get it. Look the other way works for some people. I will admit that I have to work at not being a hypocrite and I still fail every once in a while

I don't think either one of us know what you are talking about. I have asked you a very simple question on multiple occasions. What hypocrisy? Who is looking what other way for whom? Use the common sense you keep preaching about and make your point. I would honestly like to know what you mean

How would not having a fair (percentage based ) tax system be common sense? If everyone paid the same percentage there won't be tax advantages or loopholes. Am I right in reading that you think the wealthier / corp's should pay more because they have access to legislator's, lawyers, and lobbyists? Isn't this the problem?
This is the crap that pisses me off, how can you state that I am not interested in finding ways to be fiscally responsible? How can an intelligent person say this? I do not consider the the items you have listed as 'extras'. The extras I'm talking about are things like sex education for Ethiopia prostitutes, the social media war on tanning beds, subsidizing the airport on Martha's Vineyard, taxpayers paying private student debt, Pelosi's park, etc. We are all in charge of our personal finances and those decisions have consequences, our government works in the same way on a larger scale except the people that mess up only pay a miniscule amount of the debt.

I never said nor do I think our fiscal missteps are just from the left. I don't really care about Trump declaring bankruptcy.

I see you shifted gears to the abortion topic. I think the SCOTUS corrected a past wrong by given the power back to the states as the constitution intended. If the people want it to amend the constitution to include abortion that is another topic but this one is pretty straight forward once you remove the emotion. Did anyone take away any womans rights?

Make sure your blaming the right person for the nonsense

You want a flat tax for both a person making minimum wage and a CEO making millions. No I disagree. It's nonsense. Now if you want to get rid of all those loop holes I would agree.

Why do you care about spending money on education but it is okay to bail out corporations?

Student loan debt is a hard one for me. I would agree but only when the rich have no loop holes.

I have no idea about Pelosi's Park. I see many parks named after people.

If you were a contractor for Trump and he filed bankruptcy you might care.

Do you want the Federal Government telling you what you can do and not do with your body? It is a woman's right to choose. It is impossible with a divided legislature to amend the Constitution thus we need Federal protections for a woman's right to choose.

You know that Government operates a whole lot different than personal finances and has a much greater responsibility to protect ALL citizens. I would agree that transparency is vital.