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I don't think either one of us know what you are talking about. I have asked you a very simple question on multiple occasions. What hypocrisy? Who is looking what other way for whom? Use the common sense you keep preaching about and make your point. I would honestly like to know what you mean

I can't help you if you do not know what hypocrisy is.

You want a flat tax for both a person making minimum wage and a CEO making millions. No I disagree. It's nonsense. Now if you want to get rid of all those loop holes I would agree.

Why do you care about spending money on education but it is okay to bail out corporations?

Student loan debt is a hard one for me. I would agree but only when the rich have no loop holes.

I have no idea about Pelosi's Park. I see many parks named after people.

If you were a contractor for Trump and he filed bankruptcy you might care.

Do you want the Federal Government telling you what you can do and not do with your body? It is a woman's right to choose. It is impossible with a divided legislature to amend the Constitution thus we need Federal protections for a woman's right to choose.

You know that Government operates a whole lot different than personal finances and has a much greater responsibility to protect ALL citizens. I would agree that transparency is vital.

I am 100% for getting rid of all loopholes. A flat tax is the only 'fair' way to do it. Any other way someone is getting hosed and its usually the middle

To your second point, why do you respond like this? Who said I'm against spending money on education? or that I think its OK to bail out corporations? I am 100% against corporate bailouts, I think business's need to run on their own steam. If they fail a better version will always take their place. I have no issue with paying for education but I do have an issue with paying for individual loans that other people took out with taxpayer funds

We agree on your third point

On your forth point just google Presidio, it is a pet project of Nancy Pelosi

My father was a contractor in AC when Trump declared bankruptcy but he made it out better then most. I can tell you there are 2 sides to this coin as well. Let me know if you want me to expand.

To your sixth point, short answer NO. Women still have all of the same rights depending on the states they live in. They may need to drive across state lies to get an abortion. Do you agree that the SCOTUS made their ruling in line with the constitution? It seems pretty black and white to me. We can always amend the constitution but that is what would have to be done.

Yes the government is larger but I hope you get my point that fiscal responsibility is fiscal responsibility. We agree on transparency

I can't help you if you do not know what hypocrisy is.

I know exactly what it is. You say I'm a hypocrite, I asked how and you keep saying I told you so. I'm not sure I even care anymore, I know I live right and I know I treat people as I should. I know I'll sleep like a baby tonight if you don't care to get your point across. Thx either way

How would not having a fair (percentage based ) tax system be common sense? If everyone paid the same percentage there won't be tax advantages or loopholes. Am I right in reading that you think the wealthier / corp's should pay more because they have access to legislator's, lawyers, and lobbyists? Isn't this the problem?
This is the crap that pisses me off, how can you state that I am not interested in finding ways to be fiscally responsible? How can an intelligent person say this? I do not consider the the items you have listed as 'extras'. The extras I'm talking about are things like sex education for Ethiopia prostitutes, the social media war on tanning beds, subsidizing the airport on Martha's Vineyard, taxpayers paying private student debt, Pelosi's park, etc. We are all in charge of our personal finances and those decisions have consequences, our government works in the same way on a larger scale except the people that mess up only pay a miniscule amount of the debt.

I never said nor do I think our fiscal missteps are just from the left. I don't really care about Trump declaring bankruptcy.

I see you shifted gears to the abortion topic. I think the SCOTUS corrected a past wrong by given the power back to the states as the constitution intended. If the people want it to amend the constitution to include abortion that is another topic but this one is pretty straight forward once you remove the emotion. Did anyone take away any womans rights?

Make sure your blaming the right person for the nonsense

The MAGA SCOTUS reinterpreted the 14th Amendment, which for decades guaranteed a woman the privacy to make personal decisions regarding bodily autonomy. The rights of the individual were turned over to the states where they absolutely do not belong.

No one is saying big corporations should pay more, in fact what we have been saying since the beginning is that they should pay their fair share instead of using lawyers and lobbyists to get out of taxes.

I am 100% for getting rid of all loopholes. A flat tax is the only 'fair' way to do it. Any other way someone is getting hosed and its usually the middle

To your second point, why do you respond like this? Who said I'm against spending money on education? or that I think its OK to bail out corporations? I am 100% against corporate bailouts, I think business's need to run on their own steam. If they fail a better version will always take their place. I have no issue with paying for education but I do have an issue with paying for individual loans that other people took out with taxpayer funds

We agree on your third point

On your forth point just google Presidio, it is a pet project of Nancy Pelosi

My father was a contractor in AC when Trump declared bankruptcy but he made it out better then most. I can tell you there are 2 sides to this coin as well. Let me know if you want me to expand.

To your sixth point, short answer NO. Women still have all of the same rights depending on the states they live in. They may need to drive across state lies to get an abortion. Do you agree that the SCOTUS made their ruling in line with the constitution? It seems pretty black and white to me. We can always amend the constitution but that is what would have to be done.

Yes the government is larger but I hope you get my point that fiscal responsibility is fiscal responsibility. We agree on transparency

Do you support DeSantis's abuse of power in our education system? I assume we agree on abuse of power right? Your answers may explain.

You care about Pelosi's Park but no so much trumps bankruptcies? Yes please explain.

I do not think that decision was "in line" with equal rights for women. If you want a vasectomy then you can have one. If a woman wants or needs an abortion she should have access to one in her State.

Lets get specific, are you talking about withholding aide or are you talking about a quid pro quo?

Yes, withholding the aid was not within his powers to do so. It was approved by Congress, approved by everybody including Department of State, and Department of Defense. The only reason he wasn’t convicted was that the GQP senators were spineless. Maybe spineless doesn’t quite work. Corrupt is more like it. The corruption of the Trump administration will be legendary in years to come.

Lou could probably retire at 51 if he'd quit trolling.

The MAGA SCOTUS reinterpreted the 14th Amendment, which for decades guaranteed a woman the privacy to make personal decisions regarding bodily autonomy. The rights of the individual were turned over to the states where they absolutely do not belong.

The 10th amendment is very clear on this one. In the 14th amendment it was a reach.

No one is saying big corporations should pay more, in fact what we have been saying since the beginning is that they should pay their fair share instead of using lawyers and lobbyists to get out of taxes.

Now you are in my wheelhouse, if America moved to a flat tax there would be no corporate tax. Corporate taxes actually reduce the taxes owed by the owners of shareholders. This is one of the loopholes everyone complains about. I never understood how corporations were taxed anyway because they are a fictitious entity. The owners should pay based on income, that would make it simple

The 10th amendment is very clear on this one. In the 14th amendment it was a reach.

According to SCOTUS and most of the American public, for nearly 50 years it wasn't a reach.

LVT
I can see your trying so I will do the same
Let me start with your 2nd point as it is a shorter answer

As I stated earlier tax laws are not as politically driven as those that make policy. The current laws were written by those that have money and that bond is way tighter to them then there political ideology. I can't remember the exact saying but it is something like 'until the lion learns to write then the hunter will always be portrayed as the good guy'. The same for tax law, as long as the rich are making the rules the rules will always help the rich. I do not think the current tax laws are fair, I would rather see everyone pay 10% of their income. 10% from Jeff Bezos and 10% from the waitress at the Waffle House, that is 'fair'. Now if you want to argue 'Just' thats a different argument. I do not think people with money mind paying to make the money they do but its the people in the middle that always get squeezed the most (and thats not fair). I do not think saying Repubs caused the 2008 crash is right as it was definitely banks giving loans to people who couldn't afford them.

Your last comment is odd to me, you want me to educate you abouts the rights efforts to pass common sense gun laws like I speak for everyone on the right. I will say this, they are just as helpful as the lefts. Neither side has put out a 'common sense' approach to gun laws. I am 100% for whatever restrictions are needed as long as they do not infringe on my right to protect anyone, including you, if the case arose. This is a tough one that I hope gets settled because I love my kids and I know people who have lost kids feel the same way.

Morally I have no problem with anyone going to or inside the capital. Anyone that destroyed anything, hurt a cop, or tried to get in the way of governments work should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That should sum up the people on the Jan 6th thing from my point of view.

I do not think Trump will be in any trouble for Jan 6th because he would have had to have had intent. I have not heard or seen anything that leads me to think Trump thought they were going to be violent. I just don't think he will be convicted of anything but bad judgement

If Trump declassified the info, which he had every right to do while he was still president then he won't have any issues in this matter. Personally I think it was dumb to have them but I don't think anyone thinks Trump packed his own boxes. He should have just given everything back once he knew he was in possession of any of it. I don't see his even being prosecuted for this in any kind of a real manner.

It doesn't matter if 99% of the people want his prosecuted thats not how it works in our republic.

I will throw out a very blanket statement, I think anyone that breaks the law should be dealt with as the law sees fit, as long as the punishment is the same for everyone.

I guess you don’t understand that, whether he declassified all these thousands of documents, which he cannot prove, it is still a felony for him to have ever taken them to his night club. He has admitted he had the documents. That's a felony. It has been proven that he didn’t return them as he earlier stated. Therefore, he is guilty of obstruction. Also a felony. They may not get him for espionage, but they had enough probable cause to include that in the affidavit for search warrant. By the way, claiming he didn't move physically himself is really humorous. Documents were found in his desk. You come off as rather pathetic to keep making up stories to defend this guy. You and Guliani should have some drinks together.

Lou could probably retire at 51 if he'd quit trolling.

I think he thought this was going to be easy, but it seems he has dug himself into a hole he can't get out of. He's probably learning something.

I guess you don’t understand that, whether he declassified all these thousands of documents, which he cannot prove, it is still a felony for him to have ever taken them to his night club. He has admitted he had the documents. That's a felony. It has been proven that he didn’t return them as he earlier stated. Therefore, he is guilty of obstruction. Also a felony. They may not get him for espionage, but they had enough probable cause to include that in the affidavit for search warrant. By the way, claiming he didn't move physically himself is really humorous. Documents were found in his desk. You come off as rather pathetic to keep making up stories to defend this guy. You and Guliani should have some drinks together.

It reminds me of Trump. You lose one legal argument, and you switch to another. Throw stuff at the wall and see if it sticks.

By the way, a lot of people don't realize the security risks of mishandling UNCLASSIFIED material. It is quite possible that multiple documents which individually are UNCLASSIFIED, could in conjunction with one another reveal CONFIDENTIAL or SECRET information.

Do you support DeSantis's abuse of power in our education system? I assume we agree on abuse of power right? Your answers may explain.

You care about Pelosi's Park but no so much trumps bankruptcies? Yes please explain.

I do not think that decision was "in line" with equal rights for women. If you want a vasectomy then you can have one. If a woman wants or needs an abortion she should have access to one in her State.

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

Yes, withholding the aid was not within his powers to do so. It was approved by Congress, approved by everybody including Department of State, and Department of Defense. The only reason he wasn’t convicted was that the GQP senators were spineless. Maybe spineless doesn’t quite work. Corrupt is more like it. The corruption of the Trump administration will be legendary in years to come.

Actually it is within the presidents power (Impoundment Control Act of 74). Are you saying he should be convicted of withholding aide? Should other presidents that have done it also be convicted?

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

I think even today's MAGASCOTUS would agree that the 14th Amendment grants you a right to a vasectomy.

Lou could probably retire at 51 if he'd quit trolling.

Leeboy,
I had to look up what trolling is, I'm a little old for the term.

An internet troll, or online bully, deliberately tries to offend, cause trouble or directly attack people by posting derogatory comments on Facebook posts, blogs, under YouTube videos, on forums and other social media, such as Twitter and Instagram.

I am not trying to offend anyone
I never get personal until it is done to me
My goal here is very simple, I am trying to understand why people on the left think like they do. I have a couple of friends on the left and I cannot figure them out at all. I also know the door swings both ways. Talking to people on the right doesn't help me because I already know their stance.
I try to judge each issue on its own merit
I hate the 2 party system because it doesn't allow for enough mobility
I differ from my side on many issues, the largest of which being immigration

The numbers don't work for me until 52 or 53 but I'm trying

I think he thought this was going to be easy, but it seems he has dug himself into a hole he can't get out of. He's probably learning something.

What did I think was going to be easy? I can assure you I am not in a hole because I would have to value your opinion in order to do so. I like that Mput and LVT seem to want to keep it civil enough to converse. I even like matts input even though I don't care for his personally.

I am here to learn

According to SCOTUS and most of the American public, for nearly 50 years it wasn't a reach.

Well as long as the public agrees...

What did I think was going to be easy? I can assure you I am not in a hole because I would have to value your opinion in order to do so. I like that Mput and LVT seem to want to keep it civil enough to converse. I even like matts input even though I don't care for his personally.

I am here to learn

You clearly don't value facts as well.

I guess you don’t understand that, whether he declassified all these thousands of documents, which he cannot prove, it is still a felony for him to have ever taken them to his night club. He has admitted he had the documents. That's a felony. It has been proven that he didn’t return them as he earlier stated. Therefore, he is guilty of obstruction. Also a felony. They may not get him for espionage, but they had enough probable cause to include that in the affidavit for search warrant. By the way, claiming he didn't move physically himself is really humorous. Documents were found in his desk. You come off as rather pathetic to keep making up stories to defend this guy. You and Guliani should have some drinks together.

LVT
I have no idea if he classified them or not, I am simply saying he had the right to while he was in office. I don't know if it was a felony for him to take them to his night club, I will concede he shouldn't have taken them at all. It is my understanding that the records department went to his home to go through his stuff and he let them take what they wanted (I do not know this as truth). Trumps lawyers said the records dept are the ones that recommended he secure the closet they were kept in (that is why there was a padlock on an interior door) the lawyer also stated this is confirmable through email (I do not know if this is true). As far as the search warrant they should have done it with more class. All they did was kick up the Trump hornet nest, which doesn't really help anyone. As far as coming off pathetic your opinion is your opinion. I've met Giuliani when I was in college, not my cup of tea, New Yorkers can be tough to like

You clearly don't value facts as well.

Excellent job on making your point PD

I think even today's MAGASCOTUS would agree that the 14th Amendment grants you a right to a vasectomy.

You don't need a constitutional right to get a vasectomy

LVT
I have no idea if he classified them or not, I am simply saying he had the right to while he was in office. I don't know if it was a felony for him to take them to his night club, I will concede he shouldn't have taken them at all. It is my understanding that the records department went to his home to go through his stuff and he let them take what they wanted (I do not know this as truth). Trumps lawyers said the records dept are the ones that recommended he secure the closet they were kept in (that is why there was a padlock on an interior door) the lawyer also stated this is confirmable through email (I do not know if this is true). As far as the search warrant they should have done it with more class. All they did was kick up the Trump hornet nest, which doesn't really help anyone. As far as coming off pathetic your opinion is your opinion. I've met Giuliani when I was in college, not my cup of tea, New Yorkers can be tough to like

The light that has shined on Trump has definitely damaged his chances of holding office, along with any candidates running in November who support him.