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You don't need a constitutional right to get a vasectomy

You did say "I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that implies that you believe that the states could outlaw vasectomies if they chose to.

Actually it is within the presidents power (Impoundment Control Act of 74). Are you saying he should be convicted of withholding aide? Should other presidents that have done it also be convicted?

If you had watched the impeachment proceedings you would have been giving some rather extraordinary insights into why the founding fathers of our nation were adamant about not having foreign powers (such as the Ukraine Government) having influence on our domestic elections. Trump tried to use extortion to do just that. That is why he was impeached. I learned quite about the history of the formation of our democracy, and the wisdom of the separation of powers, in those proceedings. You seem to like to dwell in your willful ignorance, but, again, to quote you from earlier, you like to follow the Constitution "as much as possible."

LVT
I have no idea if he classified them or not, I am simply saying he had the right to while he was in office. I don't know if it was a felony for him to take them to his night club, I will concede he shouldn't have taken them at all. It is my understanding that the records department went to his home to go through his stuff and he let them take what they wanted (I do not know this as truth). Trumps lawyers said the records dept are the ones that recommended he secure the closet they were kept in (that is why there was a padlock on an interior door) the lawyer also stated this is confirmable through email (I do not know if this is true). As far as the search warrant they should have done it with more class. All they did was kick up the Trump hornet nest, which doesn't really help anyone. As far as coming off pathetic your opinion is your opinion. I've met Giuliani when I was in college, not my cup of tea, New Yorkers can be tough to like

This entire last paragraph indicates you don't have a full grasp of the facts. The facts are that removing government documents to a private location is a felony. When informed that he should return them, he refused to return all of them. This is obstruction. This is a felony. You need to stop tapdancing around these two facts. Trump's lawyer, acting in his behalf, signed documents to this. Another of his lawyers also signed a document listing the documents that were seized in the search. These are documents that will stand up in court. The DOJ gave him several opportunities to surrender the documents, and, as William Barr stated, he jerked them around. Don't go crying about how heavy handed this way, because, it was simply handled by the book.

If you had watched the impeachment proceedings you would have been giving some rather extraordinary insights into why the founding fathers of our nation were adamant about not having foreign powers (such as the Ukraine Government) having influence on our domestic elections. Trump tried to use extortion to do just that. That is why he was impeached. I learned quite about the history of the formation of our democracy, and the wisdom of the separation of powers, in those proceedings. You seem to like to dwell in your willful ignorance, but, again, to quote you from earlier, you like to follow the Constitution "as much as possible."

He'll either be very precise and legalistic or vague, loose, and sloppy, whichever he thinks supports his own emotion-driven position at the moment.

Bob if you are asking seriously I will always answer to the best of my ability.
A 'fair' tax system would be if everyone paid the same percentage of their income (lets say 10% or whatever). I'm also not against a tiered system but no matter what it will bend in the favor of whomever is writing / voting on the policy, this is just human nature. As far as fiscal responsibility we have to (from both sides) cut out all the pork they try to tie to bills we need. We also need to cut out all of the extras that we throw out that don't really help us. We are beyond broke so we need to tighten up our belts till we dig out.
I am fairly ridged as far as my desire to follow the constitution. Thats why I do not have a problem with the SCOTUS correcting the past wrong on abortion. On a personal level I do not care if anyone gets an abortion or not

Please define pork, both domestically and internationally? Would the tax affect investment income as well as corporations doing business both inside and outside the US as well as foreign corporations doing business here? When you say flat tax, you are saying no deductions, correct? It appears you answered a ton of questions about my questions. The 10th Amendment to the Constitution was brought up. So your perspective to the abortion issue is it is a States right? Back in the 80s when President Reagan was in office he was withholding Federal Highway Funding from Florida because we weren't adequately enforcing the 55 mile an hour speed limit, do you believe that was a 10th amendment issue? There were those back in the days prior to the Civil War who believed slavery was a States rights issue, if history is to be believed. There are some who believe that today, although they are happy that slavery has ended, your thoughts? Please, this ain't a trap on my end but am curious about the boundaries.

The light that has shined on Trump has definitely damaged his chances of holding office, along with any candidates running in November who support him.

My opinion on your comment is this, Trumps endorsement seems to add value to GOP candidates but as someone on the right if Trump runs for president he will lose to a sack of potatoes because he is political cancer. I do not like how the left plays the game but they are being extremely smart right now by keeping Trump at the forefront of the media they are trying to associate everything on the right with Trump. From 20,000 feet I think both of our sides are missing the boat on who they are running for president in 2024. Our side cannot run Trump and your side should really look into who you are backing because I don't think Biden or Kamala are qualified. Its hard to believe any of these people are our best options

You did say "I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that implies that you believe that the states could outlaw vasectomies if they chose to.

LOTB
I see your point but without a moral question on right or wrong why would they? I am going to have to play this one through in my head. To follow the 10th anything not in the constitution is deferred to the states so maybe. Food for thought

If you had watched the impeachment proceedings you would have been giving some rather extraordinary insights into why the founding fathers of our nation were adamant about not having foreign powers (such as the Ukraine Government) having influence on our domestic elections. Trump tried to use extortion to do just that. That is why he was impeached. I learned quite about the history of the formation of our democracy, and the wisdom of the separation of powers, in those proceedings. You seem to like to dwell in your willful ignorance, but, again, to quote you from earlier, you like to follow the Constitution "as much as possible."

LVT
Please see the attached link to the full transcript of the call between Trump and Zelensky. Please let me know on what page (or just copy and paste) the quid pro quo happens that Trump got impeached over. Let me know where the extortion, or attempted extortion, happens. It should be very easy for you to point out my willful ignorance. Thanks in advance

This entire last paragraph indicates you don't have a full grasp of the facts. The facts are that removing government documents to a private location is a felony. When informed that he should return them, he refused to return all of them. This is obstruction. This is a felony. You need to stop tapdancing around these two facts. Trump's lawyer, acting in his behalf, signed documents to this. Another of his lawyers also signed a document listing the documents that were seized in the search. These are documents that will stand up in court. The DOJ gave him several opportunities to surrender the documents, and, as William Barr stated, he jerked them around. Don't go crying about how heavy handed this way, because, it was simply handled by the book.

LVT
I can assure you that I have a full and complete gasp of the law on this matter. President can declassify info while in office and they have every right to take home any and all declassified info as it was their work. Now as someone here noted (I can't remember who) that info can be reclassified and therefore should not be in the hands of citizens (the ex president in this case). I have already stated my personal opinion that I think it was foolish of Trump to be in possession of these items. Trump will not be prosecuted for this, the raid was merely a political dog and pony show. I don't really care either way about how the DOJ conducted themselves but to say this was done by the book is laughable.

Growing up in the Northeast it is amazing how small of a community it actually is, you grow up with friends that eventually go on to work for the White House legal counsel and sometimes you talk to them about issues like these. Its cool to see hear their take on how this stuff plays out

He'll either be very precise and legalistic or vague, loose, and sloppy, whichever he thinks supports his own emotion-driven position at the moment.

I can assure you I don't have any emotion on the subject. If possible please check out the transcript and let me know where Trumps quid pro quo is. Lets see how far you need to leap to try to make a point. Good luck

Not utopia, but it sure sounds like a plan!

LOTB
I see your point but without a moral question on right or wrong why would they? I am going to have to play this one through in my head. To follow the 10th anything not in the constitution is deferred to the states so maybe. Food for thought

Whether abortion is a moral question of right and wrong is debatable.

Please define pork, both domestically and internationally? Would the tax affect investment income as well as corporations doing business both inside and outside the US as well as foreign corporations doing business here? When you say flat tax, you are saying no deductions, correct? It appears you answered a ton of questions about my questions. The 10th Amendment to the Constitution was brought up. So your perspective to the abortion issue is it is a States right? Back in the 80s when President Reagan was in office he was withholding Federal Highway Funding from Florida because we weren't adequately enforcing the 55 mile an hour speed limit, do you believe that was a 10th amendment issue? There were those back in the days prior to the Civil War who believed slavery was a States rights issue, if history is to be believed. There are some who believe that today, although they are happy that slavery has ended, your thoughts? Please, this ain't a trap on my end but am curious about the boundaries.

Bob
I see your all knotted up at 3 in the AM
I'll try to break down your comment

If you want the definition of pork then look it up, if you want my short version opinion it is the extra considerations that politicians throw in bills to buy their vote.

I have not thought this through 100% but a flat tax would be a fair tax. The flat tax would strictly handle income, income on investments would only be taxed on the gains with some kind of consideration of the length of the holding. I have not thought it all the way through as pertains to moneys made overseas as that would be much more complicated.

Yes when I say flat tax there would be no deductions, there would have to be considerations for charitable contributions and the like.

I always try to answer as many questions as I can

The 10th amendment is quite clear on what gets handled at each level. Yes abortion is a state issue

If Regan was holding federal funds then it was a federal issue and he would have the right to do so, if someone were holding state funds it would be a state issue and should be handled at the state level.

To your last point, I agree some people thought slavery was a state issue. I believe this was the reason the south fought to secede from the Union. Personally I am glad that slavery ended. I'm not really sure what you are asking me here.

Bob
Feel free to set a trap for me if you wish. I think you can see that if I don't know something or if I don't have an opinion I will tell you. I can only give my opinion on items put in front of me. I am here to try to figure out what makes people on the left think the way they do, for this knowledge I will answer anything asked of me so that you guys can do the same. I have no hidden agenda and clearly I am not going to change anyones point of view. I do not like the personal attacks of which I have also taken part in. My main fear is 'what if I'm wrong' in how I look at things. If I am then I need to change how I view and process info.

Whether abortion is a moral question of right and wrong is debatable.

LOTB
I agree
At the end of the day it comes down to when you think that unborn child has rights which ties into when you think life begins
My personal opinion based on having kids is that is a living personal in the mother and it needs to be protected as it cannot protect itself.
The complication, for me, is if the health of the mother is in question or if the pregnacy is do to rape or incest
What are your thoughts?

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

My point is that you are willing to justify wrong behaviors by maga trump and the people who support him (including yourself) and then blame those on the “left” for all our problems. It is hypocrisy 101.

Abuse of power is vindictive use of power. We need checks and balances on power. Insurrections and coup attempts is an abuse of power. Not accepting the results of an election is an abuse of power. Placing restrictions on education is an abuse of power. I am limited on time so will stop here.

If I have a right to privacy in deciding my mental and physical well being so should a woman. We do not have to debate that she is life. That supersedes any other discussion about the right to life.

LOTB
I agree
At the end of the day it comes down to when you think that unborn child has rights which ties into when you think life begins
My personal opinion based on having kids is that is a living personal in the mother and it needs to be protected as it cannot protect itself.
The complication, for me, is if the health of the mother is in question or if the pregnacy is do to rape or incest
What are your thoughts?

Are you against all “killings”? If you are going to use that word you need to have a clear understanding about when life begins and when it should end. You will probably need to consult a higher power.

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

I think you know the odds in what it takes to change an amendment so that is also a hypocrisy.

LOTB
I agree
At the end of the day it comes down to when you think that unborn child has rights which ties into when you think life begins
My personal opinion based on having kids is that is a living personal in the mother and it needs to be protected as it cannot protect itself.
The complication, for me, is if the health of the mother is in question or if the pregnacy is do to rape or incest
What are your thoughts?

I'm against forced birth. It's a form of torture.

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

Are you against all "Parks" or just the one's that the "left" supports. That is also a hypocrisy.

Trump has a lawsuit about misrepresenting the facts of his ability to repay a loan. This was after those multiple bankruptcies. That is how people who abuse power roll? They cheat the system. If someone owes you money and declares for bankruptcy I know it will hurt you. Trump hurts people to get what he wants when he wants it. He would not blink an eye to hurt your or my business. Not accepting how he hurts people and believing he cares about people is a hypocrisy.

When trump coined the phrase "lock her up" for those emails and then took classified and top secret documents to maragogo you justify his behavior again. That is hypocrisy.

Oh but there is even more hypocrisy in your posts but really I got to go now...

Trump will not be prosecuted for this, the raid was merely a political dog and pony show. I don't really care either way about how the DOJ conducted themselves but to say this was done by the book is laughable.

Not simply a show. Sometimes the court of public opinion is the only one you get. Justice has become too political to hold politicians accountable. Too many lawyers int he hen house.

My point is that you are willing to justify wrong behaviors by maga trump and the people who support him (including yourself) and then blame those on the “left” for all our problems. It is hypocrisy 101.

Abuse of power is vindictive use of power. We need checks and balances on power. Insurrections and coup attempts is an abuse of power. Not accepting the results of an election is an abuse of power. Placing restrictions on education is an abuse of power. I am limited on time so will stop here.

If I have a right to privacy in deciding my mental and physical well being so should a woman. We do not have to debate that she is life. That supersedes any other discussion about the right to life.

I do not agree with pretty much anything in your comment

Are you against all “killings”? If you are going to use that word you need to have a clear understanding about when life begins and when it should end. You will probably need to consult a higher power.

I'm against killing the innocent, I'm for killing people that have done what I would consider a major wrong. I'm pretty sure I can make this call, I'll deal with the higher power when the time comes

I think you know the odds in what it takes to change an amendment so that is also a hypocrisy.

You're wearing the word hypocrisy out. The constitution has been amended 27 times, seems very doable

I'm against forced birth. It's a form of torture.

So the person that got pregnant is being tortured by their child? OK

I'm against killing the innocent, I'm for killing people that have done what I would consider a major wrong. I'm pretty sure I can make this call, I'll deal with the higher power when the time comes