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Beach Fanatic
#11552
Letting you know you are once again defending trump.;)

Before this call trump ordered the money that had already been approved held up. I’m sure you as a trump apologist have a defense for that.
Crowdstrike was a debunked conspiracy theory the POTUS wanted Zelensky to look into.
Again, the money was already approved.

The President: “I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.”

The money had already been approved so not sure how this has anything to do with fulfilling that obligation. In fact he withheld it for 55 days and only released it when it became public.


The President: “The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.”
I'm defending the truth, in this case its on Trumps side.

Presidents withhold aide all the time for multiple reasons. Did you have the same stance when Obama did it?
Are you talking about Crowdstrike as pertains to the Russian meddling in the 2016 election? You're right there was no meddling on behalf of Trump, see the Mueller report where people that hated Trump had unlimited time and money to prove he did something wrong and came up with goose eggs.

Quick question: did Ukraine know we were withholding funds? Would be tough to leverage the withholding without them knowing. Or maybe just take Zalenskis own words where he clearly stated he felt no pressure of felt any obligation, but don't let the facts get in your way.

Your last point is when Trump talks about an ACTUAL quid pro quo, the one Biden admitted to. All I'm saying is don't be a hypocrite

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SoWal Insider
#11553
I'm not trying to parse anything. If were are being honest, and honesty is your goal, there was no quid pro quo in the phone call that the left impeached Trump for. To say you know something implies fact when, in fact, this is your opinion. I'm not defending Trump as much as I'm just being honest. If the FBI did to you what they did to Trump then you would have every right to call them cons to anyone that would listen, that is my opinion.
What was Trump’s reason for withholding the military aid to Ukraine for 55 days? Simple question.
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SoWal Insider
#11554
Putin’s Puppet

Zelensky says it’s ‘not even possible’ that Trump did not recognize Putin threat​


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SoWal Insider
#11555
What was Trump’s reason for withholding the military aid to Ukraine for 55 days? Simple question.
Give it up he is again just being willfully ignorant.
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SoWal Insider
#11556
I'm defending the truth, in this case its on Trumps side.

Presidents withhold aide all the time for multiple reasons. Did you have the same stance when Obama did it?
Tell us you’re a dumb mofo without telling us you’re a dumb mofo.
Your whataboutism never passes the bullshit test.
Show us where trump was working with congress on this.:popcorn:

Unlike Trump’s Ukraine aid freeze, which was for personal, political purposes and which the Government Accountability Office found was illegal, all of the Obama administration’s pauses of foreign aid cited by Trump were:

  1. Done consistent with authority provided by Congress, which has the exclusivepower of the purse;
  2. Made in consultation with Congress and not in secret; and
  3. To promote important, bipartisan U.S. national interests, notpersonal interests.
Beach Fanatic
#11557
Crime and Obstruction of justice is the new Republican virtue.
You are 100% entitled to your opinion, its not correct but why stop now
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SoWal Insider
#11558
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You are 100% entitled to your opinion, its not correct but why stop now
It’s a fact
Beach Fanatic
#11559
Give it up he is again just being willfully ignorant.
Once again your clueless opinion
Beach Fanatic
#11560
Tell us you’re a dumb mofo without telling us you’re a dumb mofo.
Your whataboutism never passes the bullshit test.
Show us where trump was working with congress on this.:popcorn:

Unlike Trump’s Ukraine aid freeze, which was for personal, political purposes and which the Government Accountability Office found was illegal, all of the Obama administration’s pauses of foreign aid cited by Trump were:

  1. Done consistent with authority provided by Congress, which has the exclusivepower of the purse;
  2. Made in consultation with Congress and not in secret; and
  3. To promote important, bipartisan U.S. national interests, notpersonal interests.
Your bullet points are all opinion and all 3 are 100% incorrect, dumb mofo
Beach Fanatic
#11561
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It’s a fact
You may want to look up what that word means
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#11562
Your bullet points are all opinion and all 3 are 100% incorrect, dumb mofo
Keep your head up your ass MAGAt.
Beach Fanatic
#11563
What was Trump’s reason for withholding the military aid to Ukraine for 55 days? Simple question.
Trump's quote "“My complaint has always been, and I’d withhold again, and I’ll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine, because they’re not doing it,” Trump told reporters, ahead of his speech to the United Nations General Assembly.

I don't know I wasn't involved, this is what he said
Beach Fanatic
#11564
Keep your head up your ass MAGAt.
Should we break all 3 down to prove how they are all wrong? I'll do it if you need me to. Your side needs to stop thinking your feelings are fact
Beach Fanatic
#11565
Keep your head up your ass MAGAt.
I think your admin has evolved us to Mega Maga's or Trumpies. Your side likes words, you big sillies
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SoWal Insider
#11566
I think your admin has evolved us to Mega Maga's or Trumpies. Your side likes words, you big sillies
Loyalty to a lying conman and not your country?
SHOCKING! Said no one
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SoWal Insider
#11567
Give it up he is again just being willfully ignorant.
When he talks about how badly the FBI treated poor mr. Trump, it just makes me want to cry…

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Beach Fanatic
#11568
Loyalty to a lying conman and not your country?
SHOCKING! Said no one
Sound like a trans Yoda you do
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SoWal Insider
#11569
Trump's quote "“My complaint has always been, and I’d withhold again, and I’ll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine, because they’re not doing it,” Trump told reporters, ahead of his speech to the United Nations General Assembly.

I don't know I wasn't involved, this is what he said
Does that make sense to you? The State Department and the Defense Department agreed it was in our best interest to make this payment. All of the sudden a game show host is the brightest bulb in the chandelier?
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Beach Fanatic
#11572
Does that make sense to you? The State Department and the Defense Department agreed it was in our best interest to make this payment. All of the sudden a game show host is the brightest bulb in the chandelier?
One thing I know for sure is it is easy to be a quarterback on Monday. If he had a good reason for withholding the funds I am good, if he did not have a good reason then that is bad. We did make the payment so no issue there. Do you consider Biden brighter then Trump or just more experienced?
Beach Fanatic
#11573
3000+ innocent deaths > 1 protestor death (for context)
Beach Fanatic
#11574
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Tough to beat the lefts emotion, if possible show me in the transcript where the blackmail or quid pro quo was, should be easy its only a couple of pages long. I've asked this of many and have NEVER gotten a response. Good Luck
Beach Fanatic
#11575
When he talks about how badly the FBI treated poor mr. Trump, it just makes me want to cry…
You'll be alright, have some tea
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#11576
3000+ innocent deaths > 1 protestor death (for context)
One isn’t enough 3000 is too many so what’s your number besides all the other s**t that went down Jan 6?

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