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Beyond the obvious dangers of the ferret headed Pussygrabber, if he is put back in the WH he will just most likely start declassifying everything in sight.

At least you are not emotional about Trump, keep up the work

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Are they gonna have ice cream, I love ice cream with my entertainment. I hope someone fake cries, they are the best

WRONG. The classification is irrelevant in the theft of government documents. The incoming administration has an interest in seeing that sensitive information, classified or not, doesn't get into the wrong hands.

Lets try you, what statute are you referring to? I'm just trying to see if you guys have it right

I truly don't understand people that want to condone and support espionage and treason. I can somewhat understand that they are disappointed that their idol is found out to be a fraud, but, when the evidence is this obvious, just STFU and sulk somewhere else rather than show yourself to be an enemy of national security.

First you need to address what law you are saying he broke, then you need actual evidence that that law was indeed broken. By the way who is condoning espionage and treason?

And yet he had no trouble beating trump

Hows biden doing with the job he won?

Riggleman: White House switchboard called a Capitol rioter on January 6​

At least you are not emotional about Trump, keep up the work

Terminal Apologism

Hows biden doing with the job he won?

He's got your panties all wadded up so everything else is gravy.

Here I googled "what statute makes it illegal to possess top secret information"

First you need to address what law you are saying he broke, then you need actual evidence that that law was indeed broken. By the way who is condoning espionage and treason?

DOJ Case:

Trump had government documents (regardless of classified status) that he was not authorized to possess – Trump has admitted he had the documents multiple times - Documented

Trump was formally, legally, requested to return the documents – he refused, repeatedly – Documented

DOJ recovered these documents from Trump’s night club – Documented

He has been ordered, by the court, to show cause why he had reason to possess them- he has not complied.

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Trump’s defense:

(1) I declassified them – doesn’t provide any proof – but, it doesn’t matter, possession of the documents is a crime

(2) I didn’t know they were there – he has admitted ordering them taken: some of them were found in his desk

(3) FBI planted them – he has been asked by the special master to provide proof – he has not complied

Hows biden doing with the job he won?

Amazing. Gets it done! Talks less and does more. He is a winner!

First you need to address what law you are saying he broke, then you need actual evidence that that law was indeed broken. By the way who is condoning espionage and treason?

Let's say that Trump performed the "voodoo declassification" successfully, just to sooth your soul. He did it before Jan. 20, while he was still president*. He did it mentally, since there seems to be no documentation of it. That still doesn't mean he owns those documents. In very simple terms, he Stole those documents. Since he has admitted to having the documents, and his lawyer signed the inventory letter at the Search, admitting to having the documents, at the very least, he is guilty of Theft. This is documented.

At the very least, the DOJ has documented proof of simple Theft, regardless of the "classified documents statute". The severity of the punishment for this Theft will be determined by the severity of the damage done, to national security, by the Theft. That is being assessed right now.

By requesting the Special Master, he is claiming all or part of these documents to be owned by him. He has been ordered by the court to present just cause why he should have possession of all, or some, of the documents. He has not yet complied with that order. If he does not provide his "defense", I suppose the Special Master will have no choice but to throw his case (that he owns the documents) out. Again, then he will be guilty of Theft, and all the documents retrieved by the Search, can be used as evidence of the Theft, and the severity of the Theft.

This is just my analysis of the case. I hope it has been helpful to you. When you go back and read the vast array of posts, on this thread, isn't it rather obvious who has been defending Trump, and presuming his innocence in this investigation? The people that are saying he has a right to own those documents, and a right to store those documents in his night club, are the people who are condoning espionage.

Terminal Apologism

TDS

Let's say that Trump performed the "voodoo declassification" successfully, just to sooth your soul. He did it before Jan. 20, while he was still president*. He did it mentally, since there seems to be no documentation of it. That still doesn't mean he owns those documents. In very simple terms, he Stole those documents. Since he has admitted to having the documents, and his lawyer signed the inventory letter at the Search, admitting to having the documents, at the very least, he is guilty of Theft. This is documented.

At the very least, the DOJ has documented proof of simple Theft, regardless of the "classified documents statute". The severity of the punishment for this Theft will be determined by the severity of the damage done, to national security, by the Theft. That is being assessed right now.

By requesting the Special Master, he is claiming all or part of these documents to be owned by him. He has been ordered by the court to present just cause why he should have possession of all, or some, of the documents. He has not yet complied with that order. If he does not provide his "defense", I suppose the Special Master will have no choice but to throw his case (that he owns the documents) out. Again, then he will be guilty of Theft, and all the documents retrieved by the Search, can be used as evidence of the Theft, and the severity of the Theft.

This is just my analysis of the case. I hope it has been helpful to you. When you go back and read the vast array of posts, on this thread, isn't it rather obvious who has been defending Trump, and presuming his innocence in this investigation? The people that are saying he has a right to own those documents, and a right to store those documents in his night club, are the people who are condoning espionage.

To your first paragraph, how did you make the jump from he had the documents to he stole the documents? If thats was even remotely the case he would be charged with theft. You are making leaps that don't seem to be there

To say the DOJ has proven theft is a leap unless you know something that isn't public knowledge yet.

I understand your moral point but they are pursuing him legally which involves a different standard. I have already clearly stated that I think he should not have had any documents that he should have had.

To your last paragraph, we are all presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in America, I, personally, do not know if he had the right to have this stuff or not but to say someone like me is 'condoning espionage' because we don't know if he broke the law is silly. I have clearly stated that if he broke the law he should be punished accordingly.

He's got your panties all wadded up so everything else is gravy.

I didn't know that was the standard, if that was the case Trump was phenomenal because he's had the left on tilt your years, the TDS is rampant

Amazing. Gets it done! Talks less and does more. He is a winner!

What has he got done that has or is going to help America?

To your first paragraph, how did you make the jump from he had the documents to he stole the documents? If thats was even remotely the case he would be charged with theft. You are making leaps that don't seem to be there

To say the DOJ has proven theft is a leap unless you know something that isn't public knowledge yet.

I understand your moral point but they are pursuing him legally which involves a different standard. I have already clearly stated that I think he should not have had any documents that he should have had.

To your last paragraph, we are all presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in America, I, personally, do not know if he had the right to have this stuff or not but to say someone like me is 'condoning espionage' because we don't know if he broke the law is silly. I have clearly stated that if he broke the law he should be punished accordingly.

To your first point, the Special Master was requested, by Trump, to prove that he had the right to own the docs. That is precisely what the SM ordered Trump to do: put up your argument as to why you have just cause to own the documents. Otherwise, it is Theft. I'm not sure I can make it more clear to you than that. Just because he "declassifed" the docs (your premise) does not make the leap that he owns them. (Doesn't it seem logical that the DHS would still need them to be safe and secure?)

As to your last point, this is my analysis on an online message board. Of course, the matter will be decided in the courts. But on this message board, considering the preponderance of documented evidence, people who still persist to label this a "political stunt" and claim the Search was a "pre-dawn raid" and claim it is his right to store sensitive documents in a night club are condoning espionage. Again, only in the morality of an online discussion, not in a legal sense.

I want to thank Lou for pushing me to refrain from emotional response, and to employ determined logic to understanding this case. I really love logic. I think I have a really good grasp of this case now.

I want to thank Lou for pushing me to refrain from emotional response, and to employ determined logic to understanding this case. I really love logic. I think I have a really good grasp of this case now.

We should recall how this was made public, it wasn’t the FBI or DOJ it was Russia’s Agent Orange whining on his social media site.
Only after his extensive lying did they respond to set the record straight. Of course by that time the “Back the Blue,” “Law and Order” republicans had already circled the propaganda wagons and the MAGA cult was at full level Code Orange.

Here is a timeline of the event:

Are they gonna have ice cream, I love ice cream with my entertainment. I hope someone fake cries, they are the best

Nothing has been proven false and no one has come forward to counter anything that has been exposed by this committee.
Not only have open invitations been ignored but so have subpoenas.
The only thing trump and the chickenshit MAGA/republicans will do is whine and lie on right wing media.
Get back to us when someone with balls shows up.

I want to thank Lou for pushing me to refrain from emotional response, and to employ determined logic to understanding this case. I really love logic. I think I have a really good grasp of this case now.

Young Lou

He is just the most phenomenal President in the history of world. He is terrific. He is great. The best President in the Universe.

Okay now we can get down to the meat of the matter.

He won a huge election against a tyrant.
He provided stability for our Democracy that was under attack.
He provided leadership during the Pandemic that certainly helped.
He has helped pass legislation that will help protect children and police.
He has helped pass legislation that will help our failing infrastructure.
He has helped pass legislation that will help reduce the effects of climate change.
He has helped pass legislation that may help with inflation. Economic growth and inflation are proportional. This is very complex and related to global demand and supply markets.
He has helped stabilize gas prices at the pump.
He has stabilized (as opposed to normalize) our threat of a recession during Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Is this enough or do you need more?

You can disagree and complain and hate Joe Biden all you want but the man gets things done. There is a lot more to do and I hope he stays healthy enough to continue with what he has accomplished already. Yes he is an old man just like you and I will be one day. I hope you are half the man Joe Biden is at his age. I hope I am half the man Joe Biden is at his age. I know what you think because you have made it clear. I think if you were an honest man not weakened by your own ego you would have to give Biden some credit. If that happened I might agree with some of your generic solutions for this country like taxes, spending, immigration reform, campaign finance reform and term limits for politicians. However that is not who you are. You are a closed minded person. Mind made up and not going to change or listen to anything but your pathetic sources of information. It is a shame because I know we can do better at listening and learning to two sides of an argument. One thing we probably both agree on this conversation is NOT productive at all...

I didn't know that was the standard, if that was the case Trump was phenomenal because he's had the left on tilt your years, the TDS is rampant

Maybe it’s a liberal thing, but I get pissed when an American president blackmails foreign leaders, takes the side of Russia over the US, foments violence, encourages an insurrection, steals our nations top secrets, and who knows WTF else will be exposed.
The real question should be why are you MAGAs more loyal to a man than your country?

trump believes this is what a savvy genius does

Investigating teams reported evidence of executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas