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To your first point, the Special Master was requested, by Trump, to prove that he had the right to own the docs. That is precisely what the SM ordered Trump to do: put up your argument as to why you have just cause to own the documents. Otherwise, it is Theft. I'm not sure I can make it more clear to you than that. Just because he "declassifed" the docs (your premise) does not make the leap that he owns them. (Doesn't it seem logical that the DHS would still need them to be safe and secure?)

As to your last point, this is my analysis on an online message board. Of course, the matter will be decided in the courts. But on this message board, considering the preponderance of documented evidence, people who still persist to label this a "political stunt" and claim the Search was a "pre-dawn raid" and claim it is his right to store sensitive documents in a night club are condoning espionage. Again, only in the morality of an online discussion, not in a legal sense.

Nothing has been proven false and no one has come forward to counter anything that has been exposed by this committee.
Not only have open invitations been ignored but so have subpoenas.
The only thing trump and the chickenshit MAGA/republicans will do is whine and lie on right wing media.
Get back to us when someone with balls shows up.

Its only a hearing in name if no one represents the other side

I am sorry but I am not gonna say anyone is guilty of anything without knowing it as truth. Even if 99.99% of the population wants it to be true that does not make it true, I'm not sure I can make that any clearer for you. I never said he declassified whatever he had I said he had the right to do so while he was in office. Yes it does seem logical

Your last paragraph is all your opinion, which you are entitled to

I am sorry but I am not gonna say anyone is guilty of anything without knowing it as truth. Even if 99.99% of the population wants it to be true that does not make it true, I'm not sure I can make that any clearer for you. I never said he declassified whatever he had I said he had the right to do so while he was in office. Yes it does seem logical

Your last paragraph is all your opinion, which you are entitled to

I am sorry but I am not gonna say anyone is guilty of anything without knowing it as truth. Even if 99.99% of the population wants it to be true that does not make it true, I'm not sure I can make that any clearer for you. I never said he declassified whatever he had I said he had the right to do so while he was in office. Yes it does seem logical

Your last paragraph is all your opinion, which you are entitled to

I believe you missed the most important part of my alalysis. It doesn't matter if he de-classified the docs or not. It doesn't matter if he had the right to de-classify the docs while he was president*. The salient point is he stole government documents and he cannot show just cause to have them. And it is documented.

I believe you missed the most important part of my analysis. It doesn't matter if he de-classified the documents or not. It doesn't matter if he had the right to de-classify the documents while he was president*. The salient point is he stole government documents and he cannot show just cause for having them. And it is documented.

I am sorry but I am not gonna say anyone is guilty of anything without knowing it as truth. Even if 99.99% of the population wants it to be true that does not make it true, I'm not sure I can make that any clearer for you. I never said he declassified whatever he had I said he had the right to do so while he was in office. Yes it does seem logical

Your last paragraph is all your opinion, which you are entitled to

What “other side” is there except the one that refuses to show up.
That does not negate the evidence and facts presented. If trump and the republicans truly had a viable argument they would present it.
The only group stupid enough to buy your statement are other deniers.
Not presenting a defense does not prove innocence. It just shows you have no defense.

I want to thank Lou for pushing me to refrain from emotional response, and to employ determined logic to understanding this case. I really love logic. I think I have a really good grasp of this case now.

Lou, I think I found your problem in understanding this case. Back in some earlier posts, you stated: " There is nothing that he couldn't have declassified and nothing that he couldn't have taken with him if it was declassified." That seems to be the defect in your thinking. From the illusive, almost mythical, "I can de-classify documents with my mind" theory, then you make the leap to he owns the documents he declassified. This is simply wrong. Do I need to repeat it? Wrong. I hope this clears up your thinking.

As to you wanting and hoping that he evades conviction on these charges, which is evident in nearly every bit of mis-information you post (see "pre-dawn, televised raid" and "political stunt") that's where I infer that you condone espionage.

So what statute should we be looking at?

We should recall how this was made public, it wasn’t the FBI or DOJ it was Russia’s Agent Orange whining on his social media site.
Only after his extensive lying did they respond to set the record straight. Of course by that time the “Back the Blue,” “Law and Order” republicans had already circled the propaganda wagons and the MAGA cult was at full level Code Orange.

Here is a timeline of the event:

A timeline of the investigation into Trump's Mar-a-Lago docs

WASHINGTON (AP) — The search of former President Donald Trump' s Mar-a-Lago club for classified documents and other government records may have come as a surprise to the public.

apnews.com

Going to leave that to the FBI. Me, being an amateur, says that simple Theft and Obstruction is the starter, but they added espionage on the Affidavit so they probably know more than me and you.

Curious, did you believe OJ Simpson was not guilty?

I believe you missed the most important part of my analysis. It doesn't matter if he de-classified the documents or not. It doesn't matter if he had the right to de-classify the documents while he was president*. The salient point is he stole government documents and he cannot show just cause for having them. And it is documented.

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Trumpers are all alike. They have 52 different useless arguments, and they try to play them like cards. As soon as they lose one argument, they will jump to another one hoping you will forget that it's already been debunked. It's sad, yet comical.

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So what statute should we be looking at?

www.congress.gov › bill › 95th-congressH.R.13500 - Presidential Records Act 95th Congress (1977-1978)​

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f**k no, that was a sad day for America. Or are you asking if I want to push back on the courts. I am a little different then some of you guys, the second the court found him guilty and he walked the victims people should have handled it. What do you think?