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When was law enforcement called anything but the good guy with the gun?

Let me ask you a very simple question that neither you nor any of the other sheeple on here will answer

What law or any amendment or any action to the law would have stopped this shooting?

Very simple question, now try to spin, deflect, call me names, ect

Killing people is illegal, its a crime. Do you think this person would have given up their weapon? used a different kind of weapon?

The problem with the left is the fairytale land you live in, you say take away the guns but that does nothing to solve the problem, the problem is the evil in the hearts of some people

Very simple answer, enforce the 2A as written or repeal it.
Also tax the crap out of ammunition and require high liability insurance for every gun.

Once again, it’s the guns. And here’s a tip. It’s going to happen again and again and again. Support those advocating for common-sense gun legislation.

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Somewhere way up there off that graph is a turning point.
Na! Just kidding, but they believe it.

Listen there is no denying Trump derangement syndrome is real and I love it. Not because I like Trump but because I love seeing one person own such a large group of sheeple

As long as trump is running for office and has a cult of followers, looking at you, he is a danger and I will pay attention.
The only real derangement here is you constantly rushing to defend him.

As long as trump is running for office and has a cult of followers, looking at you, he is a danger and I will pay attention.
The only real derangement here is you constantly rushing to defend him.

What was your excuse when he wasn't running?

The point is, that both of these particular States have a very liberal carry law. There are those that say we are safer with more who carry but seems there are not near as many citizens who stop the bad guy as LEOs who do and I would venture to guess there are fewer LEO'S than those who have or can carry legally. So unless there isnsome data that can show how much safer we are, sounds more like BS.

Bob, I respect where you are coming from. I think you actually want to get to a solution.

Without going to deep, have you ever shot a gun? If so have you ever practiced to the point where you would feel comfortable carrying it in public (because that is a big jump)?

Either way, lets just assume the answer is yes you carry are able to and want to carry a gun in public. Now assuming you do not mean to hurt anyone, are the people around you safer, less safe, or equally as safe as if you did not have a gun?

If someone bad were trying to hurt people would you be able to pull your gun and do what should be done? This is also a big jump for many people.

I hope you take the time to answer

Once again, it’s the guns. And here’s a tip. It’s going to happen again and again and again. Support those advocating for common-sense gun legislation.

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Can you not comprehend how little context this graph shows? You cannot be this naïve

Very simple answer, enforce the 2A as written or repeal it.
Also tax the crap out of ammunition and require high liability insurance for every gun.

OK lets say we do everything you say here
How would any of that have stopped this shooting?
When you say every gun, do you mean every gun owned by a law abiding citizen? Do you think criminals are going to follow rules?

I'll put this out generally because I don't think any of you can answer it

Lets assume tomorrow by some magic there are no guns in America

Now what? Do you think people that want to kill people are going to stop?

Do you think the evil in humans left with the guns?

What will you ban next? fertilizer? cars? knives? sticks? flags? chairs?

Lets not even go into what happens every single time a populace is disarmed, lets just keep it right on the surface

How do you know there weren’t a thousand people carrying in that mall?

I don't the same way you don't know if any were

Very simple answer, enforce the 2A as written or repeal it.
Also tax the crap out of ammunition and require high liability insurance for every gun.

Second Amendment, amendment to the Constitution of the United States, adopted in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, that provided a constitutional check on congressional power under Article I Section 8 to organize, arm, and discipline the federal militia. The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Referred to in modern times as an individual’s right to carry and use arms for self-defense, the Second Amendment was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, according to College of William and Mary law professor and future U.S. District Court judge St. George Tucker in 1803 in his great work Blackstone’s Commentaries: With Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of the Commonwealth of Virginia, as the “true palladium of liberty.” In addition to checking federal power, the Second Amendment also provided state governments with what Luther Martin (1744/48–1826) described as the “last coup de grace” that would enable the states “to thwart and oppose the general government.” Last, it enshrined the ancient Florentine and Roman constitutional principle of civil and military virtue by making every citizen a soldier and every soldier a citizen.

Bob, I respect where you are coming from. I think you actually want to get to a solution.

Without going to deep, have you ever shot a gun? If so have you ever practiced to the point where you would feel comfortable carrying it in public (because that is a big jump)?

Either way, lets just assume the answer is yes you carry are able to and want to carry a gun in public. Now assuming you do not mean to hurt anyone, are the people around you safer, less safe, or equally as safe as if you did not have a gun?

If someone bad were trying to hurt people would you be able to pull your gun and do what should be done? This is also a big jump for many people.

I hope you take the time to answer

Those are legitimate questions. I have shot a gun. I have not practiced enough to be proficient. Your question about proficiency, leads me to question, are a majority that do carry not proficient?

Second Amendment, amendment to the Constitution of the United States, adopted in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, that provided a constitutional check on congressional power under Article I Section 8 to organize, arm, and discipline the federal militia. The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Referred to in modern times as an individual’s right to carry and use arms for self-defense, the Second Amendment was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, according to College of William and Mary law professor and future U.S. District Court judge St. George Tucker in 1803 in his great work Blackstone’s Commentaries: With Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of the Commonwealth of Virginia, as the “true palladium of liberty.” In addition to checking federal power, the Second Amendment also provided state governments with what Luther Martin (1744/48–1826) described as the “last coup de grace” that would enable the states “to thwart and oppose the general government.” Last, it enshrined the ancient Florentine and Roman constitutional principle of civil and military virtue by making every citizen a soldier and every soldier a citizen.

You are responding to my post so what is your point?
Showing us you can copy and paste?

Second Amendment, amendment to the Constitution of the United States, adopted in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, that provided a constitutional check on congressional power under Article I Section 8 to organize, arm, and discipline the federal militia. The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Referred to in modern times as an individual’s right to carry and use arms for self-defense, the Second Amendment was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, according to College of William and Mary law professor and future U.S. District Court judge St. George Tucker in 1803 in his great work Blackstone’s Commentaries: With Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of the Commonwealth of Virginia, as the “true palladium of liberty.” In addition to checking federal power, the Second Amendment also provided state governments with what Luther Martin (1744/48–1826) described as the “last coup de grace” that would enable the states “to thwart and oppose the general government.” Last, it enshrined the ancient Florentine and Roman constitutional principle of civil and military virtue by making every citizen a soldier and every soldier a citizen.

So you oppose Red Flag laws? What about felons owning and carrying, laws prevent that? Those words that say "shall not be infringed" is that for all or do younsupport some instances? There are plenty of places that your right to carry aren infringed upon. In your years how many times have you had the need to pull and shoot? Times change, some I like some I don't.

Those are legitimate questions. I have shot a gun. I have not practiced enough to be proficient. Your question about proficiency, leads me to question, are a majority that do carry not proficient?

Your question is a good one but I would look at it a different way
There is a hinge point with all weapons

Having a weapon in your home increases the chances of getting shot but knowing how to handle, store, clean, and care for a weapon makes these chances almost impossible

Same goes for carrying a weapon in public
If you are going to carry then you should practice using them religiously
If you are not 100% sure you can handle yourself and that weapon you should not have it around others because it is more of a liability then an asset

In the hands of someone that knows how, when, why, ect to use it a gun is a valuable tool capable of helping those in need.
As far as the percentage that carry that 'should' this is a tough one. I would guess maybe 10-15% of our population has the skillset to carry in public, this number includes LEO and military but thats just my guess.

Just to ask again then under a different premise. If someone you knew carried in public how would you feel around them, safer, not as safe, equally as safe as if they didn't have a weapon?

What was your excuse when he wasn't running?

He hasn’t stopped running since 2016. Before that I didn’t pay much attention to him. Watched his show a few times which made me realize he was full of sht but it was tv so didn’t affect me.
Now tell us why you keep rushing to his defense.

Your question is a good one but I would look at it a different way
There is a hinge point with all weapons

Having a weapon in your home increases the chances of getting shot but knowing how to handle, store, clean, and care for a weapon makes these chances almost impossible

Same goes for carrying a weapon in public
If you are going to carry then you should practice using them religiously
If you are not 100% sure you can handle yourself and that weapon you should not have it around others because it is more of a liability then an asset

In the hands of someone that knows how, when, why, ect to use it a gun is a valuable tool capable of helping those in need.
As far as the percentage that carry that 'should' this is a tough one. I would guess maybe 10-15% of our population has the skillset to carry in public, this number includes LEO and military but thats just my guess.

Just to ask again then under a different premise. If someone you knew carried in public how would you feel around them, safer, not as safe, equally as safe as if they didn't have a weapon?

Depends on the person. Some not an issue, some no f'ing way. There is no in between.

So you oppose Red Flag laws? What about felons owning and carrying, laws prevent that? Those words that say "shall not be infringed" is that for all or do younsupport some instances? There are plenty of places that your right to carry aren infringed upon. In your years how many times have you had the need to pull and shoot? Times change, some I like some I don't.

Personally I am for Red flag laws. As far as felons it depends on what they did and have they paid their debt to society. I feel as gun use and ownership need to be regulated. If you don't want to give up your right to protect yourself you don't go where guns aren't allowed. In the past 10 years I've only had the need to pull my gun once and I didn't pull it due to the offender using good judgement. I feel its always better to have a gun and not need it then the other way around

Depends on the person. Some not an issue, some no f'ing way. There is no in between.

We agree on this

He hasn’t stopped running since 2016. Before that I didn’t pay much attention to him. Watched his show a few times which made me realize he was full of sht but it was tv so didn’t affect me.
Now tell us why you keep rushing to his defense.

I usually defend Trump because it annoys people like you
Sometimes I defend his policies

General question: When Biden was running and he committed to find a black woman as VP was that sexist, racist, or both? I wonder if he ever just thought he should appoint whomever would most benefit the country and if that was a woman of color all the better but to choose based on race and gender seems like the literal definition of racism and sexism. Sorry for bringing up the facts, by the way how Kamala doing? She seems to be having some issues with the job but she did fit his criteria

Pandering

I don't the same way you don't know if any were

Except I wasn’t making that argument. You were the one making the argument it was a soft target with no one to fight back. Even suggesting only one person had a weapon. Remember, you even tried to say there were no weapons at the school shootings when the facts say there were.
Here I’ll make it easy and post what you said.

“Would you call a mall an area where people carry? Seems more like a soft target for someone looking to harm people but I don't want to get in anyones way of trying to make a point
Its very simple, these cowards choose their locations based on the lack of ability to fight back
Anyone can try to twist the facts however they want but when everyone is armed no one has an advantage when only 1 person is armed they have a major advantage”

Hey nolelurker where’s my star?

Except I wasn’t making that argument. You were the one making the argument it was a soft target with no one to fight back. Even suggesting only one person had a weapon.
Here I’ll make it easy and post what you said.

“Would you call a mall an area where people carry? Seems more like a soft target for someone looking to harm people but I don't want to get in anyones way of trying to make a point
Its very simple, these cowards choose their locations based on the lack of ability to fight back
Anyone can try to twist the facts however they want but when everyone is armed no one has an advantage when only 1 person is armed they have a major advantage”

Hey nolelurker where’s my star?

Do you have a point?

Do you have a point?

Yea, why do you keep promoting the idea there are no guns at these tragedies when you have no idea if it’s true and apparently are often flat out wrong.

Listen, I understand, you would rather have a weak thief in office. Can you believe all the money his family have received from very bad countries? Wonder what they did to earn that money? No I don't I know exactly what biden did, he did whatever they asked for. For years your side has spoke about election interference, now you know all of the 3 letter agencies were in bed with the white house to suppress information to help biden. You have the proof you're looking for and you are silent as church mice. Hypocrites.

You need to stop with your fortune cookie phycology, its weak in ineffective. You sound like a clown trying to convince people you are in the middle, just stop already, no one cares.

You are just words

I think Biden is a strong leader so far. I think trump is a weak person and a weak leader. Very predictable. Makes us weak as a country. Inspires the worst. Inspires the worst in us. Your argument that Biden is weak and is a thief is based on nothing real. I know that if you follow the paths that both Biden and trump had there is one who stands out as a person who had to overcome many obstacles and one that had everything handed to him. Even you have admitted that hard times make strong men so using your argument Biden is a stronger leader than trump. That is your Psychology! Interesting that you mention clowns

If Hunter Biden broke the law he should be punished. Same with trump.

We are all just words in this forum. Words are important but actions are more important...

I think Biden is a strong leader so far. I think trump is a weak person and a weak leader. Very predictable. Makes us weak as a country. Inspires the worst. Inspires the worst in us. Your argument that Biden is weak and is a thief is based on nothing real. I know that if you follow the paths that both Biden and trump had there is one who stands out as a person who had to overcome many obstacles and one that had everything handed to him. Even you have admitted that hard times make strong men so using your argument Biden is a stronger leader than trump. That is your Psychology! Interesting that you mention clowns

If Hunter Biden broke the law he should be punished. Same with trump.

We are all just words in this forum. Words are important but actions are more important...

Try not to make too many leaps using my comments to try to fit your narrative, you're not mentally capable of such things

If you care to look into the biden family