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Beach Fanatic
#14002
I think this whole thing with Trump is that he does not give a rats aspirin bottle about our Constitution and our American Democracy. He wants to be a Dictator with more power than god! Yes the other side will say that "they all do it and just hate Donald Trump". I try really hard not to hate anyone so for me it is about who do I want to represent me and my family. If the Democrats put someone up for me to vote for and he was like Donald Trump I would not vote for that person. It is just that simple for me. Those trying to emulate Donald Trump's extremism against our methods of governing will never get my vote either. Donald Trump is an extremist, he is an elite, he has no skills at diplomacy, he does not understand our Constitution and he only really cares about what is good for him. He somehow believes he is strong and bold to stand up to the corruption in government yet he is the definition of corruption in my opinion. He solicits power from those who do not want to be told what to do or not to do about anything. Some of these people just want power themselves. Some want only their cultural values and are exclusive to anything else. What surprises me is how many people are able to follow a man like Donald Trump. I am most surprised that good Christian people have become so enamored with King Cyrus and the old testament words of his destructive behaviors that it is cause for great concern. I do understand that our species is destructive in nature but I was hoping that we could evolve toward a more inclusive behavioral society. If trump or desantis wins in 2024 I am not sure what it all means for our future...
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#14003
One of our county commissioners did just that, "whiny BS how the other side is doing it also and how there is a grand conspiracy", on Facebook, less than an hour after the indictment. DeSantis is saying the same stuff. It just galls me that people attack the DOJ for just doing their job.

Just call Drunken Danny out for his BS. Didn't he also force through a county resolution declaring Trump the winner of the 2020 election?
Bob Wells avatar
Beach Fanatic
#14004
One of our county commissioners did just that, "whiny BS how the other side is doing it also and how there is a grand conspiracy", on Facebook, less than an hour after the indictment. DeSantis is saying the same stuff. It just galls me that people attack the DOJ for just doing their job.
Oh I know.
Some only like Law Enforcement folks when they agree with our view of the world
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14005
The low info base will sadly only hear what Hawley is saying.

Jenksy avatar
Beach Fanatic
#14006
The low info base will sadly only hear what Hawley is saying.

Guess they're all too busy selling real estate and banning books to let us know how they're feeling today.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#14009
Oh I know.
Some only like Law Enforcement folks when they agree with our view of the world
I just don't get it. Don't they understand that when they denigrate the Department of Justice they are denigrating all law enforcement officers? The procedures they go through in their investigations are thorough and strive to be devoid of all politics. That's their job. They have overwhelming evidence of severe nation security damage done by Trump, as opposed to a handful of documents, of minor import, by Biden and Pence. Why they are backing a person who quite likely perpetrated espionage, just leaves me dumbfounded. They have no respect for law and order, just their radical right agenda.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#14010
They're in a full panic. They have the least control they've ever had only holding one half of a branch of government and it's not looking like that's going to reverse anytime soon. Even Gen Z,X and Millennial GOPers aren't into guns, banning abortions or being cruel to minorities and that's literally the current GOP platform. If they can't trigger a recession like they're trying to do then the next election is going to really open their eyes.
Beach Fanatic
#14011
They're in a full panic. They have the least control they've ever had only holding one half of a branch of government and it's not looking like that's going to reverse anytime soon. Even Gen Z,X and Millennial GOPers aren't into guns, banning abortions or being cruel to minorities and that's literally the current GOP platform. If they can't trigger a recession like they're trying to do then the next election is going to really open their eyes.
Yes the whole bunch of them feel like the future is not in their favor so now is the time to take control thru whatever means necessary. They will not stop until they destroy our American Democracy. In their way of thinking it is now or never and that makes them desperate. The two leaders of their party are making mistakes because of that desperation. I believe it will show up when people go to vote. At least I hope so.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#14012
It's 37 counts, and the Manhattan case was either 36 or 37, I forgot. I doubt "Georgia election tampering" will get him over 100, but there is always his involvement in the January 6 insurrection, to ponder. If I were a betting man, I'm pretty sure it should go over 1oo counts against him this year. Of course, all of them won't be proven, but it will be a lot, in 3 or 4 jurisdictions. I love the smell of indictments in the morning. It smells like justice.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14013
Guess they're all too busy selling real estate and banning books to let us know how they're feeling today.
Gathering their talking points to parrot
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#14016
I probably shouldn't be dwelling on the number of counts against Trump. Jack Smith, in his brief press statement, seemed to find the salient point of all this in the serious, grave nature of these charges. Donald Trump has been accused of compromising top secret information concerning the nuclear defenses and the human intelligence of our country, and that of some of our most trusted allies. If people still cling to the stupidity of considering this just a political stunt, then God help the United States of America.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14017
I probably shouldn't be dwelling on the number of counts against Trump. Jack Smith, in his brief press statement, seemed to find the salient point of all this in the serious, grave nature of these charges. Donald Trump has been accused of compromising top secret information concerning the nuclear defenses and the human intelligence of our country, and that of some of our most trusted allies. If people still cling to the stupidity of considering this just a political stunt, then God help the United States of America.
And sadly there is a real chance the Republican Party will succeed in their efforts to provide a path for him to walk away from any punishment.
Beach Fanatic
#14018
All it takes is one cult member on the jury.
Beach Fanatic
#14019
I probably shouldn't be dwelling on the number of counts against Trump. Jack Smith, in his brief press statement, seemed to find the salient point of all this in the serious, grave nature of these charges. Donald Trump has been accused of compromising top secret information concerning the nuclear defenses and the human intelligence of our country, and that of some of our most trusted allies. If people still cling to the stupidity of considering this just a political stunt, then God help the United States of America.
I am not sure where God is, what God is thinking and what political side God cares for more. Without those little details we are left with choices between right and wrong, good and bad and does it matter. So my question is why does it matter whether trump is convicted of these charges. If he is convicted does anyone think it will change anything. DeSantis is even further to the right. To me all this stuff is costing taxpayers a fortune. I do believe that no one should be above the law but I believe that train has left the station. Elite wealth and political power is mostly above the law whether they are democrats or republicans. So how does any of this help with that? How do we get politics out of our Judicial Branch when we now have a culture where you must choose a side otherwise be attacked by both sides? Lets say trump is convicted. Republicans would then spend and spend until Hunter Biden is convicted of something. We say we don't care much about Hunter Biden but maybe we should. Trump supporters in Congress would spend whatever it takes to convict a Biden of something. As a taxpayer I am getting tired of this. Trump is funded by his supporters. DeSantis spends our money to defend lawsuits. Walton County spends our money and then gives it to large corporations and rich people to build without proper infrastructure and then take a good portion of our beaches. Yes I am greatly disappointed with the Customary Use Settlement negotiations! Why don't we care more about how our money is being spent? I would like to see trump get what he deserves as much as anyone but how does that help us? What am I missing? If we live to be divided, angry, fearful, always right about everything etc then what is the purpose of life? I just had a grandson born this week who stopped breathing during delivery and was resuscitated and is finally doing very well. It has changed my life. I do not care anymore about trump being convicted. I do not think it will change anything. There is corruption in politics, always has been and always will be. I just want my grandson to be okay...
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14020
I am not sure where God is, what God is thinking and what political side God cares for more. Without those little details we are left with choices between right and wrong, good and bad and does it matter. So my question is why does it matter whether trump is convicted of these charges. If he is convicted does anyone think it will change anything. DeSantis is even further to the right. To me all this stuff is costing taxpayers a fortune. I do believe that no one should be above the law but I believe that train has left the station. Elite wealth and political power is mostly above the law whether they are democrats or republicans. So how does any of this help with that? How do we get politics out of our Judicial Branch when we now have a culture where you must choose a side otherwise be attacked by both sides? Let’s say trump is convicted. Republicans would then spend and spend until Hunter Biden is convicted of something. We say we don't care much about Hunter Biden but maybe we should. Trump supporters in Congress would spend whatever it takes to convict a Biden of something. As a taxpayer I am getting tired of this. Trump is funded by his supporters. DeSantis spends our money to defend lawsuits. Walton County spends our money and then gives it to large corporations and rich people to build without proper infrastructure and then take a good portion of our beaches. Yes I am greatly disappointed with the Customary Use Settlement negotiations! Why don't we care more about how our money is being spent? I would like to see trump get what he deserves as much as anyone but how does that help us? What am I missing? If we live to be divided, angry, fearful, always right about everything etc then what is the purpose of life? I just had a grandson born this week who stopped breathing during delivery and was resuscitated and is finally doing very well. It has changed my life. I do not care anymore about trump being convicted. I do not think it will change anything. There is corruption in politics, always has been and always will be. I just want my grandson to be okay...
Having four grandchildren of my own my thoughts are with you and your grandson.
justhavinfun avatar
Beach Fanatic
#14021
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14022
The former “All you need to do is comply” crowd sure changed their tune with Babbitt and now feel it doesn’t apply to trump.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14023
Because of the remarkably sensitive nature of the documents the former president retained, and the shockingly insecure locations where they were held and transported (“in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office space, his bedroom, and a storage room”), there are also potentially grave implications for U.S. national security. It is those national security implications, as evidenced in particular by the 31 counts lodged under the Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)), which we briefly lay out here.

Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#14024
“The classified documents Trump stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and to plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.”
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#140251
This story said 38 counts, but most other reports say 37 counts. The Manhattan case involves 34 counts. Do we have any bets on the outcome of the total 73 counts? Has there been many cases, with this amount of investigation, to have all the counts thrown out? Toast.jpg
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#14026
“In my administration I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information, no one will be above the law.”
trump - Aug. 18, 2016

“We also need to fight this battle by collecting intelligence and then protecting, protecting our classified secrets. … We can’t have someone in the Oval Office who doesn’t understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified,”
trump - Sept. 6, 2016.

“[O]ne of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information,”
trump - Sept. 7, 2016.

“We also need the best protection of classified information,”
trump - Sept. 19, 2016.

“Service members here in North Carolina have risked their lives to acquire classified intelligence to protect our country,”
trump - Nov. 3, 2016.

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