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WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com

From NBC's Mike Viqueira
The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president's health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants.
The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson "You lie" outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the "exchange," as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants -- which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans -- bill language or no bill language.
Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange.
Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants.


The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:
  • Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.
  • Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.
  • Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.
  • There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.
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Though the "you lie" comment could have been made at a better venue, the accuracy of the comment seems to be a bulls eye. This weekend, Obama and Kathleen keep using the word intent when covering the topics of illegals and abortion, but intent is not a concrete word. My intent when buying a lottery ticket is to win, but that is yet to happen.

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Please use quote tags so we can tell what you are quoting and what you are commenting.
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shouting "you lie" during a presidents speech is simply dumb-period. but, when pelosi allowed the goons over at code pink etc to shout down congressional hearings on a daily basis it was ok? the hypocrisy is all too transparent and the lib media and the lib blogs dont care about that in the least. just like this story was more important all last week than ACORN's mass corruption of taxpayer dollars.

our president is a constitutional counselor, right? so he knows more than anyone that the constitution does not allow the gov to single out class. of course he's lying, to not lie means informing the people of this very bill which he and the dems are afraid of for obvious reason. its not politically expedient to tell the truth for the left. if you oppose it, your racist and everything else under the sun. this speech was sickening. blaming everyone for everything and smearing those who are telling the american people whats actually in this bill is not the hope and change i was promised thats for sure. always question a politician that promises the world.

this is the same gov that has turned their heads for decades while us legal americans have been robbed. and its the same party that continues to allow it because it helps at the polls.
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Hospitals are already compensated with public funds for care given to undocumented aliens (and others who can't or don't pay). In fact, I believe it is federal law that publicly funded hospitals cannot turn away anyone in an emergency regardless of ability to pay. Good luck changing any of that anytime soon.
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shouting "you lie" during a presidents speech is simply dumb-period. but, when pelosi allowed the goons over at code pink etc to shout down congressional hearings on a daily basis it was ok? the hypocrisy is all too transparent and the lib media and the lib blogs dont care about that in the least. just like this story was more important all last week than ACORN's mass corruption of taxpayer dollars.

our president is a constitutional counselor, right? so he knows more than anyone that the constitution does not allow the gov to single out class. of course he's lying, to not lie means informing the people of this very bill which he and the dems are afraid of for obvious reason. its not politically expedient to tell the truth for the left. if you oppose it, your racist and everything else under the sun. this speech was sickening. blaming everyone for everything and smearing those who are telling the american people whats actually in this bill is not the hope and change i was promised thats for sure. always question a politician that promises the world.

this is the same gov that has turned their heads for decades while us legal americans have been robbed. and its the same party that continues to allow it because it helps at the polls.
yes, you have been robbed
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shouting "you lie" during a presidents speech is simply dumb-period. but, when pelosi allowed the goons over at code pink etc to shout down congressional hearings on a daily basis it was ok?

When did Code Pink ever heckle a congressional hearing and not get thrown out/asked to sit down and shut up?
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When did Code Pink ever heckle a congressional hearing and not get thrown out/asked to sit down and shut up?


WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER IF THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE OR NOT? IT HAPPENED AND IT HAPPENED ALMOST DAILY. WHY NITPICKIT? TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT. DO I ACTUALLY NEED TO LIST THE COMMENTS OF CERTAIN DEMS, BLOGS AND CERTAIN MEDIA TYPES ABOUT BUSH DURING HIS TERM? LETS TRY AND PUT POLITICS ASIDE AND LOOK AT THIS FOR WHAT IT IS-HYPOCRISY. THE QUICKER WE ALL DO THIS, THE QUICKER WE CAN BRING AMERICA BACK TO WHERE SHE USED TO BE.:bang:
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yes, you have been robbed


AND SO HAVE YOU. BUT, IF THE DEMS ARE DOING THE STEALING I SUPPOSE ITS OK WITH YOU, RIGHT? :bang:
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WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER IF THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE OR NOT? IT HAPPENED AND IT HAPPENED ALMOST DAILY. WHY NITPICKIT? TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT. DO I ACTUALLY NEED TO LIST THE COMMENTS OF CERTAIN DEMS, BLOGS AND CERTAIN MEDIA TYPES ABOUT BUSH DURING HIS TERM? LETS TRY AND PUT POLITICS ASIDE AND LOOK AT THIS FOR WHAT IT IS-HYPOCRISY. THE QUICKER WE ALL DO THIS, THE QUICKER WE CAN BRING AMERICA BACK TO WHERE SHE USED TO BE.:bang:


Tell us precisely where you think that should be, please be specific.:popcorn:
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tell us precisely where you think that should be, please be specific.:popcorn:


do i really need to specify? Do you really not know the america of our grandparents versus the one we have inherited and one that we will be passing on? This is a joke, right? And no, i dont think itll be better if a repub were running things. This is way above party lines....
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The 50s, perhaps? I've heard they were great if you were a certain demographic, but if you were a person of color or a woman who didn't like being stuck at home, perhaps not so great. Maybe not such great times for those big on freedom and liberty. :idontno:
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WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER IF THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE OR NOT? IT HAPPENED AND IT HAPPENED ALMOST DAILY. WHY NITPICKIT? TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT. DO I ACTUALLY NEED TO LIST THE COMMENTS OF CERTAIN DEMS, BLOGS AND CERTAIN MEDIA TYPES ABOUT BUSH DURING HIS TERM? LETS TRY AND PUT POLITICS ASIDE AND LOOK AT THIS FOR WHAT IT IS-HYPOCRISY. THE QUICKER WE ALL DO THIS, THE QUICKER WE CAN BRING AMERICA BACK TO WHERE SHE USED TO BE.:bang:

Thanks for shouting, as I am somewhat deaf.

The difference is the source, and the response. I expect better from a US Congressman. He was not asked to leave, and the Sergeant-at-arms did not ask him to sit and be quiet.

This isn't about comments made, this is about behavior in a place and time that should command a little respect.
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do i really need to specify? Do you really not know the america of our grandparents versus the one we have inherited and one that we will be passing on? This is a joke, right? And no, i dont think itll be better if a repub were running things. This is way above party lines....

Yes, my grandmother had it great. After her husband deserted her and their two small children, she was fortunate to find a job in a commercial laundry, sweating over tubs of hot water, and was even more fortunate when they opened up public housing units and she was able to move into the first public housing project in her city. And then to spend her golden years as a maid in a motel - how fabulous that must have been! How she would scorn her granddaughters, who were able to get an education and get good jobs!

I could go on and on about how great the good old days were for the women in my family. What bliss it was.
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WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER IF THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE OR NOT? IT HAPPENED AND IT HAPPENED ALMOST DAILY. WHY NITPICKIT? TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT. DO I ACTUALLY NEED TO LIST THE COMMENTS OF CERTAIN DEMS, BLOGS AND CERTAIN MEDIA TYPES ABOUT BUSH DURING HIS TERM? LETS TRY AND PUT POLITICS ASIDE AND LOOK AT THIS FOR WHAT IT IS-HYPOCRISY. THE QUICKER WE ALL DO THIS, THE QUICKER WE CAN BRING AMERICA BACK TO WHERE SHE USED TO BE.:bang:

Town hall style shouting will get you nowhere.
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AND SO HAVE YOU. BUT, IF THE DEMS ARE DOING THE STEALING I SUPPOSE ITS OK WITH YOU, RIGHT? :bang:
you have been robbed of your perspective. if you were young i would say you were robbed of your youth, and your compassion. everything you post here intimates people are stealing from what is rightfully yours.
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Yes, my grandmother had it great. After her husband deserted her and their two small children, she was fortunate to find a job in a commercial laundry, sweating over tubs of hot water, and was even more fortunate when they opened up public housing units and she was able to move into the first public housing project in her city. And then to spend her golden years as a maid in a motel - how fabulous that must have been! How she would scorn her granddaughters, who were able to get an education and get good jobs!

I could go on and on about how great the good old days were for the women in my family. What bliss it was.

We had prayer in school, and cars had fins. What more could anyone want? :idontno: Oh and another thing, cigarettes were good for you. What happened there?:confused:
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The 50s, perhaps? I've heard they were great if you were a certain demographic, but if you were a person of color or a woman who didn't like being stuck at home, perhaps not so great. Maybe not such great times for those big on freedom and liberty. :idontno:



great point!

but, im speaking of the system and the governments role in it. all nations have black marks, but this nations system has done more for its people than any other nation on earth and has done more for those around the world than any other nation on earth. it was this nation that looked at slavery for what it was and put a stop to it. i truly dont think that would happen in todays america.
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Thanks for shouting, as I am somewhat deaf.

The difference is the source, and the response. I expect better from a US Congressman. He was not asked to leave, and the Sergeant-at-arms did not ask him to sit and be quiet.

This isn't about comments made, this is about behavior in a place and time that should command a little respect.


nitpick away.......

so code pinks protest was at the right place, right time and commanded respect? your killin me. try and look over political party, youd be amazed at how cleared the world looks.
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Yes, my grandmother had it great. After her husband deserted her and their two small children, she was fortunate to find a job in a commercial laundry, sweating over tubs of hot water, and was even more fortunate when they opened up public housing units and she was able to move into the first public housing project in her city. And then to spend her golden years as a maid in a motel - how fabulous that must have been! How she would scorn her granddaughters, who were able to get an education and get good jobs!

I could go on and on about how great the good old days were for the women in my family. What bliss it was.



respectfully, that was the most simple-minded response ive ever read. do you know of any nation, any company or any family for that matter that has it perfect. we're talking about our governments system founded by our founding fathers. is it the systems fault that your grandmother was deserted, or that she had to work over tubs of hot water? my grandfather had an incredibly difficult life, but he had it a heck of alot better than anyone in any other nation and he knew it. and it was that that made him fight for this nation. my god :bang:
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you have been robbed of your perspective. if you were young i would say you were robbed of your youth, and your compassion. everything you post here intimates people are stealing from what is rightfully yours.


i love those who judge someone they never set eyes on.

and your damn right, if i work for it, its mine. not the guy that plays victim and doesnt want to make something of himself. ill always pay my fair share, but thats not whats going on in this country today. and the liberal economic mindset will never grasp that because victimization and lack of personal responsibility is what fuels that mindset.
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We had prayer in school, and cars had fins. What more could anyone want? :idontno: Oh and another thing, cigarettes were good for you. What happened there?:confused:


ahhhhh what? :bang:
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Town hall style shouting will get you nowhere.


and thats all you see on the media outlets and blogs you visit. all of which is carefully calculated. i visit the huffpost etc several times daily to see what you all read. and its so wonder why you have such thoughts. i forgot, liberals are decent and respectful protesters......please :floor::floor::floor:
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respectfully, that was the most simple-minded response ive ever read. do you know of any nation, any company or any family for that matter that has it perfect. we're talking about our governments system founded by our founding fathers. is it the systems fault that your grandmother was deserted, or that she had to work over tubs of hot water? my grandfather had an incredibly difficult life, but he had it a heck of alot better than anyone in any other nation and he knew it. and it was that that made him fight for this nation. my god :bang:


Yes, it was the system's fault that, despite the fact that she could outwork most men and was as strong as a mule, she couldn't get a job in a factory where she might make a decent living. She had to do women's work, in a laundry, or be a motel maid, or a waitress.

My family spent three generations suffering because three generations of women chose a mate who turned out to be a deserter, because of a decision they made at 16 or 17. None of the deserters had it so bad. The women could never earn enough money to support themselves and the children, so each next generation dropped out of school at 15 and went to work.

Not until the 70's, when my mother was able to get a factory job where she made decent money, were we able to break the chain. My sister graduated high school, then I went to college.
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do i really need to specify? Do you really not know the america of our grandparents versus the one we have inherited and one that we will be passing on? This is a joke, right? And no, i dont think itll be better if a repub were running things. This is way above party lines....

Yes you do, I am not trying to make light of your perspective. I would like to know at what point in history you feel the country should return and why you believe it was a better place.
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great point!

but, im speaking of the system and the governments role in it. all nations have black marks, but this nations system has done more for its people than any other nation on earth and has done more for those around the world than any other nation on earth. it was this nation that looked at slavery for what it was and put a stop to it. i truly dont think that would happen in todays america.


Do you really believe we were the first nation to abolish slavery and we wouldn't do so today?:confused:
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Yes, it was the system's fault that, despite the fact that she could outwork most men and was as strong as a mule, she couldn't get a job in a factory where she might make a decent living. She had to do women's work, in a laundry, or be a motel maid, or a waitress.

My family spent three generations suffering because three generations of women chose a mate who turned out to be a deserter, because of a decision they made at 16 or 17. None of the deserters had it so bad. The women could never earn enough money to support themselves and the children, so each next generation dropped out of school at 15 and went to work.

Not until the 70's, when my mother was able to get a factory job where she made decent money, were we able to break the chain. My sister graduated high school, then I went to college.



so, its the systems fault that three generations of women were deserted? and was it this nation that gave equal rights to women?

during that time, was there another country that was more equal to women-no. were there other countries that had less men deserting their women. please............

my grandmother didnt have such a problem. should she have?

im amazed how you could blame your nation for family problems. a victim mindset like that will always pass the buck onto others and will never have independant thinking

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