WH on HC for Illegals

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Sep 14, '09 · 11:00 AM2,280

WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com

From NBC's Mike Viqueira
The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president's health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants.
The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson "You lie" outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the "exchange," as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants -- which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans -- bill language or no bill language.
Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange.
Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants.

The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:

Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.
Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.
Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.
There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.

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Though the "you lie" comment could have been made at a better venue, the accuracy of the comment seems to be a bulls eye. This weekend, Obama and Kathleen keep using the word intent when covering the topics of illegals and abortion, but intent is not a concrete word. My intent when buying a lottery ticket is to win, but that is yet to happen.

Edited Sep 14, '09 · 11:33 AM

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Beach Lover

Sep 14, '09 · 3:02 PM#27

respectfully, that was the most simple-minded response ive ever read. do you know of any nation, any company or any family for that matter that has it perfect. we're talking about our governments system founded by our founding fathers. is it the systems fault that your grandmother was deserted, or that she had to work over tubs of hot water? my grandfather had an incredibly difficult life, but he had it a heck of alot better than anyone in any other nation and he knew it. and it was that that made him fight for this nation. my god

Respectfully, you don't know the meaning of the word or you wouldn't have slammed her response as simple minded, you dolt.
And you made her point as well, numnuts. Your grandFATHER had it bad but not so bad as say, grandMOTHERS. You really don't get it do you?

Me? I treat everyone with equal respect til they show they are not worthy of it as you have repeated done.

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 3:03 PM#28

Do you really believe we were the first nation to abolish slavery and we wouldn't do so today?

abolish it in the way we did, yes absolutely. and no, its those who's ancestors that were slaves that are the biggest racists of the modern day. and now we have a media that labels everyone a racist because we may disagree with a black president. our nation has never been more divided and thats a simple fact.

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Sep 14, '09 · 3:06 PM#29

Respectfully, you don't know the meaning of the word or you wouldn't have slammed her response as simple minded, you dolt.
And you made her point as well, numnuts. Your grandFATHER had it bad but not so bad as say, grandMOTHERS. You really don't get it do you?

Me? I treat everyone with equal respect til they show they are not worthy of it as you have repeated done.

my grandfather had it rough because he worked multiple jobs in shoe factories that have since closed to allow my grandmother to be a mother and for his four daughters to have a roof over their head. but, you didnt want to hear that part. its easier to play the gender and race card.

enjoy being a victim.... :bang:

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 3:16 PM#30

abolish it in the way we did, yes absolutely. and no, its those who's ancestors that were slaves that are the biggest racists of the modern day. and now we have a media that labels everyone a racist because we may disagree with a black president. our nation has never been more divided and thats a simple fact.

I have politely asked you twice for an answer to another question with no reply and a somewhat incomplete answer to a question in this post. I don't know if you are incapable of answering or just to lazy, either way it really doesn't matter. No one including you is required to answer any questions so I won't ask again.

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Sep 14, '09 · 3:28 PM#31

I have politely asked you twice for an answer to another question with no reply and a somewhat incomplete answer to a question in this post. I don't know if you are incapable of answering or just to lazy, either way it really doesn't matter. No one including you is required to answer any questions so I won't ask again.

to be honest ive been back and forth on this site today. been super busy.

that said, i guess im just incapable and lazy. got to love the ever so loving liberal mind. i think ill pass and have a civil discussion with someone less rude and more intellectual.

it would be a waste of time anyway, thats obvious.

Beach Fanatic

Sep 14, '09 · 3:33 PM#32

so, its the systems fault that three generations of women were deserted? and was it this nation that gave equal rights to women?

during that time, was there another country that was more equal to women-no. were there other countries that had less men deserting their women. please............

my grandmother didnt have such a problem. should she have?

im amazed how you could blame your nation for family problems. a victim mindset like that will always pass the buck onto others and will never have independant thinking

Do you even read English? As my hero Stephen Colbert says, you are now Dead to Me.

If you can't see that all these women needed was a fair opportunity for a job, and that the very moment that the opportunity arrived they took it and the pattern was broken, then you need to actually read this and process what I am saying.

SoWal Insider

Sep 14, '09 · 3:41 PM#33

Do you even read English? As my hero Stephen Colbert says, you are now Dead to Me.

If you can't see that all these women needed was a fair opportunity for a job, and that the very moment that the opportunity arrived they took it and the pattern was broken, then you need to actually read this and process what I am saying.

Simplified: I don't know a woman alive today who wishes we were back in the 1950s, or thereabouts.

60s: out
70s: meh
80s: Cold war and interest rates, otherwise not too bad.
90s: good! :clap:

Let's go back.

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 3:58 PM#34

Do you even read English? As my hero Stephen Colbert says, you are now Dead to Me.

If you can't see that all these women needed was a fair opportunity for a job, and that the very moment that the opportunity arrived they took it and the pattern was broken, then you need to actually read this and process what I am saying.

and it was this nation and its democratic system that ended it all. are you going to live in the past forever? perhaps the middle east treats women better...

to single out one element of a democratic system to label it all is indeed simple-minded.

we sure are in a era of victimization......

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Sep 14, '09 · 4:02 PM#35

and thats all you see on the media outlets and blogs you visit. all of which is carefully calculated. i visit the huffpost etc several times daily to see what you all read. and its so wonder why you have such thoughts. i forgot, liberals are decent and respectful protesters......please

You lie.

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Sep 14, '09 · 4:03 PM#36

Simplified: I don't know a woman alive today who wishes we were back in the 1950s, or thereabouts.

60s: out
70s: meh
80s: Cold war and interest rates, otherwise not too bad.
90s: good! Let's go back.

ill simply say......WOW!

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Sep 14, '09 · 4:04 PM#37

You lie.

and what do i lie about, genius? :bang:

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Sep 14, '09 · 4:07 PM#38

and it was this nation and its democratic system that ended it all. are you going to live in the past forever? perhaps the middle east treats women better...

to single out one element of a democratic system to label it all is indeed simple-minded.

we sure are in a era of victimization......

You certainly play the role of victim rather nicely on this board. I'd feel sorry for you if it wasn't so damn hilarious! :floor:

:funn:

SoWal Insider

Sep 14, '09 · 4:08 PM#39

ill simply say......WOW!

What?

The Cowboys were America's Team once again! Now that is apple pie!

margarita brocolia

Sep 14, '09 · 4:13 PM#40

abolish it in the way we did, yes absolutely. and no, its those who's ancestors that were slaves that are the biggest racists of the modern day. and now we have a media that labels everyone a racist because we may disagree with a black president. our nation has never been more divided and thats a simple fact.

I have not been noticing this... :idontno:

to be honest ive been back and forth on this site today. been super busy.

that said, i guess im just incapable and lazy. got to love the ever so loving liberal mind. i think ill pass and have a civil discussion with someone less rude and more intellectual.

it would be a waste of time anyway, thats obvious.

..See ya! Take some head protection with ya!..

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 4:14 PM#41

and what do i lie about, genius?

I don't know, but from now on all of my responses to you will direct you to here:http://www.sowal.com/bb/politics-current-events/40253-wh-hc-illegals.html#post609837 :floor:

Beach Fanatic

Sep 14, '09 · 4:23 PM#42

I have not been noticing this...

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..See ya! Take some head protection with ya!..

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This isnt my fight but.......Ever heard of the Flamingo(I think that's the one that sticks it's head in the sand) syndrome????
Ever heard of Jeanine Garrafolo.....MSNBC....CBS.......????

I'm just sayin'

Now we take you back to our regularly scheduled programming.....

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 4:39 PM#43

You certainly play the role of victim rather nicely on this board. I'd feel sorry for you if it wasn't so damn hilarious!:funn:

so, are you going to tell me what i lied about or are you going to continue changing the subject. if your lost its ok, just admit it.

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 4:40 PM#44

What? The Cowboys were America's Team once again! Now that is apple pie!

huh? you and lucifer should hang out

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 4:41 PM#45

I have not been noticing this...

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..See ya! Take some head protection with ya!..

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you havent been seeing it because you dont want too. its easier to keep ones head in the sand. its as obvious as the sky is blue. enjoy the koolaid :idontno:

margarita brocolia

Sep 14, '09 · 4:47 PM#46

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dang! I thought you had me on ignore ...... :rolling:

Banned

Sep 14, '09 · 4:51 PM#47

This isnt my fight but.......Ever heard of the Flamingo(I think that's the one that sticks it's head in the sand) syndrome????
Ever heard of Jeanine Garrafolo.....MSNBC....CBS.......????

I'm just sayin'

Now we take you back to our regularly scheduled programming.....

The Flamingo? :confused:

margarita brocolia

Sep 14, '09 · 5:08 PM#48

The Flamingo?

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sticks it's head in it's wingpit!

SoWal Insider

Sep 14, '09 · 6:56 PM#49

i love those who judge someone they never set eyes on.

and your damn right, if i work for it, its mine. not the guy that plays victim and doesnt want to make something of himself. ill always pay my fair share, but thats not whats going on in this country today. and the liberal economic mindset will never grasp that because victimization and lack of personal responsibility is what fuels that mindset.

what's your fair share? i'm judging your words. go share some of that anger on the trillion borrowed and pissed away in iraq/ afghanistan. not a priority to you, is it? you'd rather chase mexicans out of the emergency room.

Banned

Sep 15, '09 · 2:39 AM#50

and it was this nation and its democratic system that ended it all. are you going to live in the past forever? perhaps the middle east treats women better...

to single out one element of a democratic system to label it all is indeed simple-minded.

we sure are in a era of victimization......

It appears Here4Good wants to move forward, it is you who wishes to go back to some mysterious time in the past according to your post no. seven.