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What would you spend BP money on?

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There will be a County workshop on the County's proposed projects for the Early Restoration Funding under the federal Natural Resources Damage Assessment (NRDA) for the Deepwater Horizon oil impacts. As a short reminder, an oil spill of the Deepwater Horizon magnitude triggers a natural resources damage assessment under the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. The purpose of the assessment is to determine the extent of impacts from the spill and related activities for which the responsible parties will be held accountable and to formulate resotration options.


BP, as a responsible party, had indicated it will pay one billion in restoration projects to be used as offsets for the final NRDA damage liability. The one billion covers five states and is under an early restoration agreement with federal trustees. By agreeing to fund projects before the conclusion of the liability assessment, BP is accumulating credits toward its ultimate liability under NRDA.

Walton County has participated in applying for early restoration funding for NRDA projects. NRDA requires public involvement in the project approval process. The county is holding a workshop for both Commissioners and the public on May 7, 2013, starting at 5 PM at the courthouse annex south of the Bay. County staff will be presenting the NRDA projects it has submitted and seeking Commission guidance and public input. Examples of the County submissions are:



  • fishing pier at Grayton Beach State Park.
  • Beach Access Improvements : Walton Dunes, Montigo Avenue, Overflow Parking for Montigo, Santa Clara and Paleyo Beach Accesses.
  • purchase of outfall sweep area for several coastal dune lakes
  • Water Quality Monitoring and Restoration of Choctawhatchee Bay.
  • Artificial reefs
  • Etc.


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seagrovegirl avatar
Beach Fanatic
#27
I am not sure what BP funds are allowed to be spent on, but sowal desperately needs funds for transportation. Widening or four laning some areas of 30A to accommodate the heavy congestion from our visitors. Attracting visitors to the area is good, but sowal cannot hold the traffic. A trolley system 24/7 during the season would be a plus. The fishing pier idea I do not like so much. As with other attractions, it's been a tradition around here to say "go to Destin or PCB if that is what you are looking for." If a pier must be built I would recommend Inlet Beach where the old wooden pier used to be and the remains of it are still there. Beach renourishment, artificial reefs and the pier idea, not a good idea, one good storm and bye bye.
Beach Runner avatar
beats on hood
#28
Four-laning parts of 30A would totally destroy the ambiance of the area. It's hard enough to cross two lanes for those north of 30A to get to the beach. Can you imagine crossing four lanes to get to the beach? For safety reasons, it would require people to drive to the beach accesses meaning more parking lots.
You don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

The biggest traffic problem is the intersection of 30A and 395. The 395 outlet to 98 and the Camp Creek outlet to 98 are too far apart. There needs to be another outlet to 98 somewhere in between. Yes, we've discussed this before on SoWal.com.
BeachRob avatar
Beach Lover
#29
I would spend it on hookers and beer. But, if it's public money, I think it should go toward the 331 bridge project, so we can retire the extra 1/2% tax... OR, we could put it in a special account until there is a hurricane or something, and spend it then...
Beach Comber
#30
I'd spend it on an airport for South Walton. It would benefit residents and tourism. I'd put it east of Point Washington, between Hwy 98 and the intracoastal waterway.
j p nettles avatar
Banned
#31
I'd spend it on an airport for South Walton. It would benefit residents and tourism. I'd put it east of Point Washington, between Hwy 98 and the intracoastal waterway.

Not likely. Besides, ECP already helps tourism and it's already close to South Walton. And the cost of even a small general aviation facility would be prohibitive, not to mention the uproar it would cause among greenie weenies.
Zebraspots avatar
Beach Fanatic
#32
I would use it to improve the multi-use path and put in a separate bike/walk/gawk bridge at Western Lake.

Then we could get rid of the low speed limit, improve safety for bikers and walkers by getting them away from the road, and provide a fantastic location for people to stop and admire the iconic pines and dunes.
j p nettles avatar
Banned
#33
I vote for a private jet for our fine elected officials to go on "official" junkets in so they can travel in style. Maybe a Cessna Citation.
NotDeadYet avatar
Beach Fanatic
#34
Water Quality improvement, not just monitoring. There's still something funky going on carrying over from last year.
This has been successfully done elsewhere with DNA testing to identify the source of the bacteria, no need to invent the wheel all over again. Increase the number and frequency of beach monitoring water samples and DNA test the bad ones. We still don't know if the source is human or animal, but testing can tell us. At least narrow it down so the search for the source(s) can begin. We can't do much about it until we know where it is coming from.

I actually think we should begin now even if we have to take money from some where else to get started.
lenzoe avatar
Beach Fanatic
#35
This has been successfully done elsewhere with DNA testing to identify the source of the bacteria, no need to invent the wheel all over again. Increase the number and frequency of beach monitoring water samples and DNA test the bad ones. We still don't know if the source is human or animal, but testing can tell us. At least narrow it down so the search for the source(s) can begin. We can't do much about it until we know where it is coming from.

I actually think we should begin now even if we have to take money from some where else to get started.
I agree. Qualifying poor results would be the first step in understanding the true causes. I see on the latest water quality tests that the bacteria count for BMB spiked up again. This just seems so random.
Beach Fanatic
#36
We must address water quality 1st, safety (water, traffic, marine) 2nd, beach, dune and bay restoration 3rd, 1500 foot pier 4th and artificial reefs 5th. If we are serious about saving our paradise for future generations I doubt there will be any money left after numbers 1 and 2 but I absolutely see the beauty in a well constructed pier...
Bob Hudson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#37
We don't need a pier - period much less a 1000 to 1500 ft ugly protrusion into our beautiful shoreline and gulf.

"Stupid is as stupid does"

The reefs are a great idea
Beach Fanatic
#38
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. In my eyes I would love to have a pier if there is enough money to do it all. As for as the stupid comment I believe we are all very capable of doing stupid things at some point being that we are all humans however the pier is a grand idea (I qualify with a big IF there were enough money to do it all). I do not know if Grayton Beach would be the best location but I would use it a lot no matter where they locate it. I respect your wishes that you do not want it but please respect that other people may have a different opinion. This is probably all irrelevant anyway because we must have the infrastructure first.
Bob Hudson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#39
I'm sure a lot of people would love to see a Roller Coaster, 300 ft Ferris Wheel on the beach. I'm sure a lot of people would come and ride. But they all have no place marring the beauty of our coastline.

How about a floating casino or helicopter rides from floating barges in one of our coastal dune lakes?

"Stupid Is As Stupid Does"

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NotDeadYet avatar
Beach Fanatic
#40
I'm sure a lot of people would love to see a Roller Coaster, 300 ft Ferris Wheel on the beach. I'm sure a lot of people would come and ride. But they all have no place marring the beauty of our coastline.

How about a floating casino or helicopter rides from floating barges in one of our coastal dune lakes?

"Stupid Is As Stupid Does"

I'm more interested in your thoughts on mputnal's list than I am your sarcasm. I don't think anyone has proposed a casino or helicopter rides. Here's the list: (the pier has been discussed extensively in another thread so I don't think you need to revisit that, but what do you think about the rest of it?)

We must address water quality 1st, safety (water, traffic, marine) 2nd, beach, dune and bay restoration 3rd, 1500 foot pier 4th and artificial reefs 5th. If we are serious about saving our paradise for future generations I doubt there will be any money left after numbers 1 and 2 but I absolutely see the beauty in a well constructed pier...
Bob Hudson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#41
1. Trust fund for the future in case

2. Water quality

3. Reef projects

No piers , trams, bike path or cart paths with NRDA funds.
NotDeadYet avatar
Beach Fanatic
#42
Thank you, Bob.
We agree on 2 and 3.
I have my doubts about a trust fund - not the need for a fund - but because it will only be as secure as the trustees and the controlling legalese. IMHO, both highly suspect in this county.
Andy A avatar
Beach Fanatic
#43
Bob, I agree with all three in the order given. Since NRDA funds and BP funds are separate, some maintenance and revision of the bike path is badly needed. It is a tremendous boon to the area and it is used by many, both locals and visitors. Some funds from one or the other sources should be used to sustain and beautify it.
Beach Fanatic
#44
Well Bob I guess we might agree on one thing, "what goes around comes around". I am referring of course to human behavior and you of course have referred to a ferris wheel for some unknown reason. It is unfortunate that our moderators do not moderate "stupid" out of the allowed use of language on this forum but since they don't let me say this to Mr. Bob. I respect your opinion in this forum but I do not respect your insults. Maybe if you would learn to listen and respect others you might go back and read my comments again and have a different reaction. However if your reaction is the same then I can not help but agree with you on stupid is as stupid does...
Bob Hudson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#45
I referred to a Ferris wheel, or roller coaster on the beach as examples of other stupid ideas that some would think were great visionary ideas to "Restore" the damage done by the BP Oil spill.

Please tell me how a pier would "restore" our once pristine beaches. I guess I missed the pier that was destroyed by BP - I never saw it.

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Beach Fanatic
#46
You continue to make the case for your own words. If you are able to read then you would understand that I as you believe that we need to build infrastructure first. May I ask you one question, Have you ever owned property or benefited from property that has buildings built right over the dunes? Also, if you are going to attack another person for their opinions do it for the "right" reasons and do not disguise the attack for the "right" reasons.
Zebraspots avatar
Beach Fanatic
#47
I believe funds have been set aside for bike path improvements and a bridge over Western Lake.
Bob Hudson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#48
I have never owned any property such as you describe. I live 1/2 mile inland and bought where I wanted to live as I have no desire to live on the beach.
Bob Hudson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#49
From NPR


Gulf Coast states are lining up to spend $1 billion from BP on coastal restoration.

The money is part of BP's legal responsibility to restore the Gulf of Mexico's natural resources in the aftermath of the worst oil disaster in U.S. history. But the nature of some of the state projects, including boat ramps and a beachfront hotel, is raising questions about just what counts as coastal restoration. Earlier this month, Alabama's Gov. Robert Bentley stood on a sugar white state park beach to announce plans for an $85 million lodge and conference center. The event had all the trappings of an economic development announcement. State lawmakers, local mayors and business owners were all smiles to hear that the Legislature had finally, after years of stalemate, given the go-ahead for a hotel on state park property near Gulf Shores, Ala. The state can contract with private companies to build and run the facility. What pushed the hotel through this year, as noted by Lt. Gov. Kay Ivey, is that BP is footing the bill. "Without costing the taxpayers a dime," Ivey said at the announcement earlier this month. All five Gulf states are sharing in the $1 billion from BP. It's a down payment on what the oil giant will be forced to pay under a lengthy process called Natural Resources Damage Assessment, intended to restore the Gulf ecosystem to the condition it was in before the 2010 oil spill. Bentley said improving the beachfront state park achieves that. "The lodge and the meeting facility are part of an overall effort to strengthen the Gulf Coast and our natural environment," Bentley said. The first round of plans from Texas to Florida includes barrier island restoration, artificial reefs, science and education centers, boat ramps and boardwalks. It's not unusual that states are lining up projects that don't directly restore the environment, says Seattle attorney Valerie Lee, president of Environment International, a firm that specializes in NRDA. Debbie Elliott/NPR "Some of the projects are like coral reefs — you had problems with injury to coral reefs. But you also see things like visitors centers. How on earth could a building repair the environment? Well, it's not directly repairing the environment," Lee says. "What it is doing is compensating for the recreational loss uses — human uses that are associated with a quality Gulf." But Lee says the Alabama beach hotel might be a stretch. "That to me is not providing a public use and a public benefit if indeed you are actually charging the public for a hotel room," she says. Alabama officials argue the public couldn't use the beach when it was soiled with oil, and now, a new hotel will attract people back to the Gulf Coast. Tony Kennon, mayor of Orange Beach, Ala., says it's a smart strategy to first seek human-use reparations, which he calls the low-hanging fruit in the damage assessment process. "A lot of the environmental projects are going to take more time to evaluate, to look at, to make sure that we're not cutting ourselves short by jumping in too soon and not asking for enough to fix the problem — whereas when it comes to loss of human use, which is where this money comes under, that's ready for us to grab right now," Kennon says. It could take years of assessment and negotiation to determine the ultimate damage to the Gulf and what BP should pay to repair it, a figure likely to be in the billions. In the meantime, environmental groups want to see early investment in building a more resilient ecosystem — projects like an oyster reef on the breezy western shore of Mobile Bay, the very first environmental restoration project done in the aftermath of the BP oil disaster. Casi Calloway, director of Mobile Bay Keeper, says two years ago, about 600 volunteers came to this waterfront park in Mobile to lay a quarter mile of oyster shell in the bay just off the shore. Calloway says the new oyster reef absorbs the wave energy from large ships that pass through Mobile Bay before it can reach land and erode the shore. "That enables the shoreline to build up behind it. That adds land. That is environmental restoration; it's property enhancement; it's better for insurance purposes, flooding, hurricanes, you name it," Calloway says. Technically, Calloway says, the state may be able to call a hotel restoration. But she says it makes her uneasy about how future monies to compensate for the BP oil spill might be allocated. "When the very first thing that's supposed to be environmental is going to an economic project, that's not OK," Calloway says. The early restoration plans have received the OK from BP, Gulf states and the Obama administration. The next step is public comment and review.


STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES !
Beach Fanatic
#50
Bob, thanks for the NPR quote. I happen to agree with you about how the BP money should be spent for Walton County. Where we are not in agreement is your moving target on the issue of a pier in Walton County. It is a non issue for now but in the future we should have this debate. Your "stupid" reference to a fellow concerned citizen is out of line and keeps missing my point. The point is if we are going to label a pier as bad for the environment even though it has very little if any effects on the beach and dune ecology then we need to compare and debate the effects of building directly on the beach and dune systems. My other point is that you may be less inclined to be open minded to build a pier if you recieve benefits from those that do build directly on the beach and have access to your own private ocean views. Even if you do not own beach property it is difficult for me to understand the comparison of beach front condos to a pier. We can have this debate but until we have agreement on what constitutes a "Walton county eyesore", "a stupid idea", "gulf restoration", "needed infrasture" then it will not matter what you think of a future pier or your fellow concerned walton county citizen.

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