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Remove the Confederate Monument and flag from the Walton County Courthouse

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The effort to remove the Confederate monument and flag from the Walton County Courthouse rises and falls like the tide.

Things have been quiet since the last push in 2020 during the ‘Black Lives Matter’ movement.

For the last seven years the Committee for Justice, Equality, and Fairness have been speaking out against the Confederate flag and monument being on county property.

“It harkens back to the Confederacy in a time when people of color were not dealt with justly. That message continues at the current time. We believe that it’s impossible for a person of color to receive justice, equal justice in a courthouse that has a Confederate flag and monument on the courthouse lawn” Chair of Committee Mike Bowden said.

The monument and flag have been a point of contention for years. The local committee has been fighting for the removal for seven years.


In 2018, the county held a referendum to remove the flag and monument from the courthouse. 65% of the voters voted to keep it.

In 2020, a protest against the monument and flag turned disorderly. Shortly after, the county commission voted to keep the monument and flag.

Victoria Crystal’s ancestors were slaves.

“That puts a different spin on it for me, you know, and it would that’s the thing that says to me, just destroy it would break it up into a tiny thousand yea know But on the other hand, I don’t know why they are proud of their ancestors fighting in this war, but they are,” Victoria Crystal who serves as the media relations for the committee said.

Instead of destroying, the committee is trying to compromise.

“That’s the thing that they need to remember is that we’re not trying to destroy, we’re saying relocate, let’s find some common ground here but don’t just dismiss us, we are also Walton County,” Crystal said.

Committee members are partnering with nationwide organizations to have more allies and spread their message to more people.

“We’ve partnered with the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has most recently provided us a grant to fund posting billboards to educate and help people join us in our efforts to remove the Confederate flag,” Bowden said.

They’re also planning to return to the commission sometime this Spring and ask for the monument and flag to be removed.

The monument was built around 1871. It was the first of its kind in the state of Florida.

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Lake View Too avatar
Lake View TooSoWal Insider
#52
Would you like my thoughts? Sometimes I wish I had the insensitivity of Poppaj and use words that would make your head spin 🙂
Insensitivity isn’t an adjective I would use to describe Poppaj. On the contrary, I think he has strong feelings about trying to remove hatred and bigotry from the country. He has a low tolerance for people that condone slavery and insurrection and he lets it be known.
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#53
Insensitivity isn’t an adjective I would use to describe Poppaj. On the contrary, I think he has strong feelings about trying to remove hatred and bigotry from the country. He has a low tolerance for people that condone slavery and insurrection and he lets it be known.
My point is that we just can't call people and groups of people these hideous names just to feel superior in morality or anything else. It is more than insensitivity. It hides our own imperfections which is not honest. We can't improve ourselves like that. I think we all want the same things in life. We can have differences of opinions but we cross a line of believing that we are superior to another person when we use these names to describe people we do not even "know". It is dangerous in my opinion because it makes people even more tribal and that means conflict is going to happen. We have to start dealing with our own impatience and insensitivity before it is too late. None of us know everything especially me then we have our emotions to deal with. My wife points out than men are less sensitive than women more than a few times 🙂. A lot of things are just human nature. I am impatient as well as insensitive as well as selfish and on and on. We are more alike than we are different. If we are going to learn how not to hate then we have to start there...
PoppaJ avatar
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#54
My point is that we just can't call people and groups of people these hideous names just to feel superior in morality or anything else. It is more than insensitivity. It hides our own imperfections which is not honest. We can't improve ourselves like that. I think we all want the same things in life. We can have differences of opinions but we cross a line of believing that we are superior to another person when we use these names to describe people we do not even "know". It is dangerous in my opinion because it makes people even more tribal and that means conflict is going to happen. We have to start dealing with our own impatience and insensitivity before it is too late. None of us know everything especially me then we have our emotions to deal with. My wife points out than men are less sensitive than women more than a few times 🙂. A lot of things are just human nature. I am impatient as well as insensitive as well as selfish and on and on. We are more alike than we are different. If we are going to learn how not to hate then we have to start there...
You have this backwards. I have never claimed or insinuated I am superior to anyone. It is the bigots, racists, etc who feel superior by attempting to marginalize those they dislike simply because their skin is a different color, their faith is different, they look and speak differently, or who they chose to love doesn’t align with their personal beliefs.
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#55
You have this backwards. I have never claimed or insinuated I am superior to anyone. It is the bigots, racists, etc who feel superior by attempting to marginalize those they dislike simply because their skin is a different color, their faith is different, they look and speak differently, or who they chose to love doesn’t align with their personal beliefs.
If I've learned anything from the past several years, it's that white supremacy/Christian Nationalism persists in many ways. But America is not defined by that small minority. We are much bigger than that.

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mputnalBeach Fanatic
#56
You have this backwards. I have never claimed or insinuated I am superior to anyone. It is the bigots, racists, etc who feel superior by attempting to marginalize those they dislike simply because their skin is a different color, their faith is different, they look and speak differently, or who they chose to love doesn’t align with their personal beliefs.
We all marginalize. Very few are racist bigots etc. It is almost like we choose to be divisive and hate others regardless of skin color. We assume everyone must be a racist bigot etc. if they vote a certain way. What you are describing is fear which is part of human nature. When people fear they become vulnerable to false prophets. Anyway if we do not get rid of all this hate it is not going to be a quality of life for anyone including minorities. It is the exact wish of people like Vladimir Putin!
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#57
If I've learned anything from the past several years, it's that white supremacy/Christian Nationalism persists in many ways. But America is not defined by that small minority. We are much bigger than that.
White Supremacist are a very small minority. Christian Nationalist are a much bigger percentage of the population and is what is driving much of this extreme movement toward the right. America has an identification crisis. Who are we? What do we want? Do we want to hate or do we want to live and let live?
Teresa avatar
TeresaSoWal Guide
#58
White Supremacist are a very small minority. Christian Nationalist are a much bigger percentage of the population and is what is driving much of this extreme movement toward the right. America has an identification crisis. Who are we? What do we want? Do we want to hate or do we want to live and let live?
I see them as the same. But definitely a minority. One with some influence on today's political environment. They will wane once again. But it's up to us to stand up, be informed, use our voices and protect democracy.
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#59
I see them as the same. But definitely a minority. One with some influence on today's political environment. They will wane once again. But it's up to us to stand up, be informed, use our voices and protect democracy.
Absolutely stand up for our freedoms. Listen and learn to be informed. Protect Democracy by voting and encouraging others to vote. Those two groups are different. I know it is hard to see the difference sometimes but they are different.
Professor avatar
ProfessorBeach Lover
#60
What about Southerners who can show that their families did not hold slaves, yet their properties, cities, towns, were invaded by federal soldiers? To them, the flag represents their country, their heritage.

Do their views matter? Or are the only valid viewpoints are those that take a narrow view of the flag and try and it use it as a modern day hammer to shame people and try and make them feel guilty for something they had zero to do with?
Professor avatar
ProfessorBeach Lover
#61
I see them as the same. But definitely a minority. One with some influence on today's political environment. They will wane once again. But it's up to us to stand up, be informed, use our voices and protect democracy.
Our country is a Consitutional Republic, not a democracy. The founders were specific in what kind of country they set up. Huge differences.
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ProfessorBeach Lover
#62
White Supremacist are a very small minority. Christian Nationalist are a much bigger percentage of the population and is what is driving much of this extreme movement toward the right. America has an identification crisis. Who are we? What do we want? Do we want to hate or do we want to live and let live?
What is the opposite of a "Christian Nationalist"? I assume from your comment the opposite would better for America?

What groups do you see as hate groups?
Jane avatar
JaneBeach Fanatic
#63
What about Southerners who can show that their families did not hold slaves, yet their properties, cities, towns, were invaded by federal soldiers? To them, the flag represents their country, their heritage.

Do their views matter? Or are the only valid viewpoints are those that take a narrow view of the flag and try and it use it as a modern day hammer to shame people and try and make them feel guilty for something they had zero to do with?
Sorry but no. Flags and monuments represent racism and oppression in today's world. Whether you like it or not. That's the way it is and not that difficult to recognize and accept it and move on.
Jenksy avatar
JenksyBeach Fanatic
#64
What is the opposite of a "Christian Nationalist"? I assume from your comment the opposite would better for America?

What groups do you see as hate groups?
You're trying too hard. The opposite of Christian nationalist is someone who is not a racist bigot who believes in fairy tale Bible nonsense.
Professor avatar
ProfessorBeach Lover
#651
Sorry but no. Flags and monuments represent racism and oppression in today's world. Whether you like it or not. That's the way it is and not that difficult to recognize and accept it and move on.
Agreed. Flags matter…
Jenksy avatar
JenksyBeach Fanatic
#66
Agreed. Flags matter…
Nice job of removing any doubt you're a racist on a public forum, Professor of Horse Manure.
PoppaJ avatar
PoppaJSoWal Insider
#67
What about Southerners who can show that their families did not hold slaves, yet their properties, cities, towns, were invaded by federal soldiers? To them, the flag represents their country, their heritage.

Do their views matter? Or are the only valid viewpoints are those that take a narrow view of the flag and try and it use it as a modern day hammer to shame people and try and make them feel guilty for something they had zero to do with?
:blink:The flag represents their country? The confederacy was never a country.
PoppaJ avatar
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#681
Agreed. Flags matter…
Yes they do
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Professor avatar
ProfessorBeach Lover
#69
Nice job of removing any doubt you're a racist on a public forum, Professor of Horse Manure.
Do you support/endorse the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation?
Matt J avatar
Matt JSWGB
#70
Do you support/endorse the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation?

Your racism continues.

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