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Walton County designates North Hwy 393 as ‘Charlie Kirk Parkway’

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Walton County – 10/15/25 – District 2 Commissioner Danny Glidewell recommended that the Walton County Board of County Commissioners
designate a local street as ‘Charlie Kirk Parkway.’

“Recently, we lost a wonderful American, Mr. Charlie Kirk, who had a great influence on a lot of people. His murder was a shock to all of us, and I was asked to present this – to create a ‘Charlie Kirk Parkway’ in Walton County,” said Commissioner Glidewell.

Glidewell said that after researching the issue, he felt that whatever highway was chosen, it should not adversely affect residents with regard to street addressing.

“I have identified a road that we could name after Mr. Kirk without impacting people’s addresses,” said Glidewell. “That’s Highway 393 North. So, I would make a motion that we designate Highway 393 North as ‘Charlie Kirk Parkway’ and leaving the addressing as 393.”

Commission Chair Donna Johns also reminded everyone that this was occurring on what would have been Charlie Kirk’s birthday. She thanked Commissioner Glidewell for bringing up the recommendation.

An audience member also came to the podium to thank the Commissioners for taking this action and noted that Kirk had also just received the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously that same day. The motion passed unanimously.

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mputnalBeach Fanatic
#27
Jane, I'm sorry is it what I said or how I said it? I respect those that I feel deserve my respect. I love those that I feel deserve my love. Very simple and direct
Jane has a valid point. At some point in life no matter what your circumstances you should understand that all human life deserves respect. Love and respect is the solution for so many things but we have terrible leadership and "followers" of terrible leadership right now. We all deserve to be respected and loved!!! Even if you were never taught this you should know by now that life's purpose is to treat everyone the way you want to be treated. In other words our opinions of the world is less than our purpose...

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mputnalBeach Fanatic
#28
You assume incorrectly
I have watched countless hours of his videos and debates
The kid parker is just that, a kid. Not much world experience, book smart with all the talking points while being real world naive but he will get there.
You state many of his debates were 'staged', do you know this as fact? You need to stop presenting your opinion as truth without a slightest about of backup for your claims but this is a typical tactic of the left. Maybe you don't even realize you're doing it.
I don't think his mission was to point out weakness in the democrat party as much as just to present his viewpoint and backup his position.
If possible give me a example of where he got his facts wrong so I can see what you mean.
This one is going to rub you wrong but men don't care about peoples feelings when it comes to truth. I'm not saying you call a dumb child dumb but we should all strive to be honest and this rubs weak minded people as disrespectful sometimes.
I couldn't even imagine what it must be like to walk through life trying not to offend anyone or caring if you do. Personally I think this will be one of the major factors in the downfall of our nation but thats just my opinion. Can you imagine our grandfathers believing that men that dress up as women are actually women? No, because they were men and they were honest.
If you feel that Kirk catered to 'white men' then you missed his entire lifes purpose but maybe you cannot help yourself. Debates can be about winning but true debate is about the flow and sharings of ideas and points of view. As much as a lot of people on the left annoy me sometimes I like interacting with them because I try to see things from their point of view.
The reason they will name roads, school, building ect after Kirk is because he was trying to close the gap between people. Victims of violence are something different, in my opinion..
I used to like Tucker more, Owens is off the rails with little hope of return, and I have never heard of Fuentes (but I will look him up). Very few people in my circle believe a word that comes out of 99% of the governments mouths because they have repeatedly shown that they have little character and will lie without a second thought. Jan 6th, Trumps ties to russia, hunters laptop, and I don't just mean the left I mean on anything (just a couple of examples off the top of my head.
My views on Israel do not align with most on the right. I think they had a right to retaliate but they went too far. Kill all the soldiers you want but leave the women and children alone.
I think Kirk was killed because he was a future force for the right. I don't think some kid made that shot at that distance under that kind of pressure but I may be wrong.
Any influencers that can be bought are low character individuals and I have no interest in them. I do not believe Kirk was bought and paid for.
I agree our beliefs should have checks and balances but that is the internal struggle within each individual. No one should harm another on purpose.
There is no spark, the left won elections that they were going to win the right will do the same. You always bring up hate and I still have no idea who or what you mean.
Its gonna be fun to watch NYC for the next couple of years, bring on the popcorn
I still think I assume correctly. If you think Charlie Kirk never lost a debate or knew everything there is to know about everything then I am sure you did not watch all his debates. Lets start with how TPUSA staged the campus debates. I can quote specifics from sources but I feel like you need to do the research yourself because you do not respect me or my words. We now have AI btw to help with our lack of understanding. Baptist News Global can help you understand how Charlie Kirk mastered the illusion of "stump" debates. There are other sources that explain how he staged performance debates. Please research. I expect you will dismiss all sources that do not align with your beliefs so this exchange is probably just a nothing burger but because I am a social person I will attempt to answer all your questions.

So your assumption seems to be that Charlie Kirk was special and deserves roads, bridges and monuments to commemorate him. Lets start with his higher education. Can we agree that he was self taught? He dropped out of community college, started to try for an online degree but never finished that either. I will agree that he has an amazing ability to learn "what he chose to learn". In higher education you learn the good, bad and the ugly of all things. Charlie was not educated that way. I have to insert that I respected Charlie Kirk for his abilities to learn on his own but his debates proved that he had limited knowledge of biology, theology, social sciences, government, economic systems and class structure.

His debate in Cambridge proved that he did not fully understand human biology or theology. He believed that a human soul is magically created as soon as a zygote is formed. This is important as there is no evidence whatsoever to prove this magic. Charlie tried to fall back on the bible but even the bible says in Genesis 2:7 that God created life with a breath of air. The debate was about a woman's right to choose and when life begins. I can tell you that neither Charlie or anyone else know for sure therefore it is a woman's fundamental right to make that decision. Not you, me or Charlie Kirk. If you are religious then the Bible will further explain that only God knows and gives life but he does not tell us when a soul is actually formed so we have to allow women decide this. Whether you like it or not it is a weakness for a man to impose his will on a woman's body.

Charlie Kirk's debates about economic systems, government and class structure also proved that he did not fully understand what (hold on to your britches) Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism and class structure works with the government that is in power. This is complicated stuff so go back and review his debate with Ben Corollo and someone else that I can't recall the name. Before you call me a Marxist this is not about what I believe but about Charlie Kirk's knowledge and your accusation of me that I have opinions without facts. If you watch this debate it is obvious that Charlie was out matched by someone with a higher education. Even Charlie agreed with some aspects of class structure and Marxist ideals. I feel like I have to repeat myself that I have my own ideals and do not believe that one size fits all on this subject.

You say that Charlie Kirk was trying to close the gap in people which makes no sense. Please explain. I already give him my respect for using his time and abilities to connect with young people and he did have some success and it is a tragedy that he could not finish his mission. However his methods were doomed to fail in my opinion. In sports no team will stay on top forever as your opponents learn how to use your weaknesses against you. Charlie Kirk was good but not infallible.

Your knowledge of what truth is and how it relates to men in general is wrong. Truth is truth. Respect is respect. It has nothing to do with gender. I have no idea where you get the idea that men care more about truth than respect. I care about both. It is our purpose in life to treat others the way you want to be treated even when we disagree. I use to believe in the same things you do but I found peace in something much bigger than myself. Love and respect for ALL people. This means no hate, no labels, no divisive rhetoric and no belief that we are better than anyone else. I admit to falling short but I am aware that I need to be better tomorrow than I am today. Kindness and goodness is a process...

I think you and I should agree that Charlie Kirk did not deserve to lose his life because of his beliefs and methods of delivering those beliefs but we should also agree that he was not perfect. None of us are perfect. He admitted he had a fascination with pornography and that he was envious of those with higher education. Please review Charlie's debate with someone named Brihanna. I think she was Bernie Sanders press secretary at one point. That debate proved his lack of understanding of institutional racism. Charlie used one example to prove his point when there were are volumes of evidence that proves institutional racism exists. I can be more specific but I think you will benefit from watching this debate again.

I am a little surprised that you do not know how hate has been weaponized by those in power. Hate wins votes. Hate makes people rich. This country, this planet and every one of us has been affected. You did watch Charlie Kirk's funeral right? It was a perfect example of how hate is being exploited by bad characters. I know you have to defend people you believe can get us back on some track to something you believe is great again. We disagree on what great and better means. We disagree on what strong mean. We disagee a lot but what is more important is that we understand there is something bigger and better than ourselves. That something is awareness of our imperfections in our pursuit of truth. Finding truth is hard work. We will not always find it in the media or government leaders. We will not always find it in our religious institutions. We do not have inherent knowledge of truth. Therefore we have to work to find it. We can not be lazy. The search for truth is the single most important thing we can do with our life outside of raising our families with good values.

Did I answer all your questions because I want to be respectful of your concerns about where I get my information? My opinions are seriously insignificant to almost everything else including your opinions because you do deserve your opinion. This discussion is about the whole truth of Charlie Kirk's legacy. I just hope in the future we have conversation with respect instead of accusatory rhetoric. If you do find the time to revisit those debates you should discover that Charlie Kirk fell back on antisocial behaviors instead of accepting that he needs to do more research and reflection to listen and learn from another perspective who has more knowledge. He used the same tactics to dehumanize people he disagreed with rather than debate actual policy as our present leadership in government that he supports also does. This recent election in New York is a prime example of power caring more about power than the people. Labeling someone as a communist who is not a communist is just weakness. Then punishing those people who are are the mandate for change is further proof of weakness. Strength of leadership is when you can listen and learn from the people and execute a policy that helps the people NOT label them as evil, radical, destructive communist. BTW our leadership has communist friends (his own words) which I do not disagree with because it is better to have friends than enemies. It is the hypocrisy that proves weakness...

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Lou DemanBeach Fanatic
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Jane has a valid point. At some point in life no matter what your circumstances may be you should understand that all human life deserves respect. Love is the solution for so many things but we have no leadership or "followers" of good leadership right now. We all deserve to be respected and loved!!! Even if you were never taught this you should know by now that life's purpose is to treat everyone the way you want to be treated. In other words our opinions of the world is less than our purpose...
I 100% disagree. Not everyone deserves respect, some actually deserve disrespect. I 100% agree we should treat everyone as we would like to be treated but what happens when that is not reciprocated? Your comments on love are silly at best.
Lou DemanBeach Fanatic
#30
I still think I assume correctly. If you think Charlie Kirk never lost a debate or knew everything there is to know about everything then I am sure you did not watch all his debates. Lets start with how TPUSA staged the campus debates. I can quote from sources but I feel like you need to do the research yourself because you do not respect me or my words. We now have AI btw to help with our lack of understanding. Baptist News Global can help you understand how Charlie Kirk mastered the illusion of "stump" debates. Please research. I expect you will dismiss all sources that do not align with your beliefs so this exchange is probably just a nothing burger but because I am a social person I will attempt to answer all your questions.

So your assumption seems to be that Charlie Kirk was special and deserves roads, bridges and monuments to commemorate him. Lets start with his higher education. Can we agree that he was self taught because he dropped out of college. I will agree that he has an amazing ability to learn "what he chose to learn". In higher education you learn the good, bad and the ugly of all things. Charlie was not educated that way. I have to insert that I respected Charlie Kirk for his abilities to learn on his own but his debates proved that he had limited knowledge of biology, theology, social sciences, government, economic systems and class structure.

His debate in Cambridge proved that he did not fully understand human biology or theology. He believed that a soul is magically created as soon as a zygote is formed. This is important as there is no evidence whatsoever to prove this magic. Charlie tried to fall back on the bible but even the bible says in Genesis 2:7 that God created life with a breath of air. The debate was about a woman's right to choose and when life begins. I can tell you that neither Charlie or anyone else know for sure therefore it is a woman's fundamental right to make that decision. Not you, me or Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk's debates about economic systems, government and class structure also proved that he did not fully understand what (hold on to your britches) Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism and class structure works with the government that is in power. This is complicated stuff so go back and review his debate with Ben Corollo and someone else that I can't recall the name. Before you call me a Marxist this is not about what I believe but about Charlie Kirk's knowledge and your accusation of me that I have opinions without facts. If you watch this debate it is obvious that Charlie was out matched by someone with a higher education. Even Charlie agreed with some aspects of class structure and Marxist ideals. I feel like I have to repeat myself that I have my own ideals and do not believe that one size fits all on this subject.

You say that Charlie Kirk was trying to close the gap in people which makes no sense. Please explain. I already give him my respect for using his time and abilities to connect with young people and he did have some success and it is a tragedy that he could not finish his mission. However his methods were doomed to fail in my opinion. In sports no team will stay on top forever as your opponents learn how to use your weaknesses against you. Charlie Kirk was good but not infallible.

Your knowledge of what truth is and how it relates to men in general is wrong. Truth is truth. Respect is respect. It has nothing to do with gender. I have no idea where you get the idea that men care more about truth than respect. I care about both. It is our purpose in life to treat others the way you want to be treated even when we disagree. I use to believe in the same things you do but I found peace in something much bigger than myself. Love and respect for ALL people. This means no hate, no labels, no divisive rhetoric and no belief that we are better than anyone else. I admit to falling short but I am aware that I need to be better tomorrow than I am today. Kindness and goodness is a process...

I think you and I should agree that Charlie Kirk did not deserve to lose his life because of his beliefs and methods of delivering those beliefs but we should also agree that he was not perfect. None of us are perfect. He admitted he had a fascination with pornography and that he was envious of those with higher education. Please review Charlie's debate with someone named Brihanna. I think she was Bernie Sanders press secretary at one point. That debate proved his lack of understanding of institutional racism. Charlie used one example to prove his point when there were are volumes of evidence that proves institutional racism exists. I can be more specific but I think you will benefit from watching this debate again.

I am a little surprised that you do not know how hate has been weaponized by those in power. Hate wins votes. Hate makes people rich. This country, this planet and every one of us has been affected. You did watch Charlie Kirk's funeral right? It was a perfect example of how hate is being exploited by bad characters. I know you have to defend people you believe can get us back on some track to something you believe is great again. We disagree on what great and better means. We disagree on what strong mean. We disagee a lot but what is more important is that we understand there is something bigger and better than ourselves. That something is awareness of our imperfections in our pursuit of truth. Finding truth is hard work. We will not always find it in the media or government leaders. We will not always find it in our religious institutions. We do not have inherent knowledge of truth. Therefore we have to work to find it. We can not be lazy. The search for truth is the single most important thing we can do with our life outside of raising our families with good values.

Did I answer all your questions because I want to be respectful of your concerns about where I get my information? My opinions are seriously insignificant to almost everything else including your opinons because you do deserve your opinion. This discussion is about the whole truth of Charlie Kirk's legacy. I just hope in the future we have conversation with respect instead of accusatory rhetoric...
I don't think you understand Kirk or what he was doing at all. Sure there were times when he was looking for a 'gotcha' moment but when people interacted with civility he came back with civility. When someone came at him with vinegar he replied with vinegar and I absolutely love that.
Never think for one second that I do not respect your comments. I don't agree with most but at least you are willing to share regardless. There is honor in that and which I respect. I am not a social person until I know those I'm socializing with are genuine, we don't have to share the same beliefs but the person needs to have some level of seriousness.
I didn't say nor do I think Kirk or anyone for that matter should have roads, schools, buildings, etc named after them. I think we are all just human and we all have our flaws. There are very very very few people I look up to because of this.
Its funny to hear you combine college with education, theres a lot of idiots with master degrees and successful people that didn't graduate high school. This is another bi-product of the system thinking that college equals education. Traditional education gets extremely tainted by the beliefs of the teachers. The only true way to learn is to go outside or above those running the class, or get out in the real world. I can't remember hearing Kirk say he was an expert in anything, he just gave his beleif and why or what he based those beliefs on.
This is where you annoy the hell out of me, Kirk believed a soul was created at conception, he never stated it as fact. To say a woman decides when life begins is nonsense in my opinion. Any biologist that says life doesn't begin at conception isn't a real biologist. That being said I personally don't care if someone gets an abortion but lets make sure we call murder murder because you are killing that fetus, make no mistake about it. Like I said I could car less what someone outside my circle does.
If Kirk wasn't trying to close the gap then what do you think he was doing? He gave people an open mic to say/ask whatever they wanted and then talked to them about it.
I don't care if you think my views are wrong. Who said truth and respect have anything to do with gender? Men should care more about truth then respect.
Lets say you and I are sitting at a table and there is a pink flower on the table. You state that the flower is black when it is clearly pink. Should I tell you its black? Agreeing with you would be the 'respectful' thing to do. I won't do that I will tell you its pink. I will also lose respect for you because you have shown that you cannot be honest. Is my stance wrong?
We strongly disagree on the purpose of life and loving and respecting all people.
As stated earlier no one is perfect and no one thinks Kirk was, Kirk often stated he falls short.
I think racism is a crutch and total nonsense but thats another topic.
Here you go again with the hate stuff. Give me an example of what you mean because it makes no sense to me. What does 'hate wins votes' mean? How does hate make people rich?
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JenksyBeach Fanatic
#31
It's clear as day. Anyone left proud of MAGA is a bad human.
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#32
I 100% disagree. Not everyone deserves respect, some actually deserve disrespect. I 100% agree we should treat everyone as we would like to be treated but what happens when that is not reciprocated? Your comments on love are silly at best.
As long as anyone does not threaten you then you should treat them with respect. Why would you not? Charlie Kirk had a mission and that mission did not always respect another person's opinion. He sometimes labeled people that did not deserve it. I do give him credit for having a mission and a message that young people often connected to but not always. It is how he handled the not always that bothers me because it usually was when he was challenged. I see that as a weakness which I am guilty of as well. I do not know him but I hope he like me was learning to be better at conflict. He did chose the mission so he should take his losses like a man right?
Lou DemanBeach Fanatic
#33
It's clear as day. Anyone left proud of MAGA is a bad human.
If you say so then you say so. Not a stupid comment at all
Lou DemanBeach Fanatic
#34
As long as anyone does not threaten you then you should treat them with respect. Why would you not? Charlie Kirk had a mission and that mission did not always respect another person's opinion. He sometimes labeled people that did not deserve it. I do give him credit for having a mission and a message that young people often connected to but not always. It is how he handled the not always that bothers me because it usually was when he was challenged. I see that as a weakness which I am guilty of as well. I do not know him but I hope he like me was learning to be better at conflict. He did chose the mission so he should take his losses like a man right?
Lets go with an example. Sunday I was coming through the pass (back from fishing) a bunch of guys were trying to run over dolphins with their boat. I went over and told them what I thought of what they were doing. Should they be shown respect? They didn't threaten me but I will never respect anyone in that boat, maybe its me.
The real question is do you think Kirk's mission to disrespect? Or did he return the energy he was given? I never saw him attach anyone without provocation.
It is neat to look at his early stuff compared to near his end. As would be expected his time in the trenches built confidence and he gave more lateral for people he didn't agree with. Like me he mellowed with age. I loved the way he handle 95% of his interactions, its OK for people to disagree. I still don't see what he did as wins and losses, I think the only losses were when a conversation couldn't be had due to emotion.
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#35
I don't think you understand Kirk or what he was doing at all. Sure there were times when he was looking for a 'gotcha' moment but when people interacted with civility he came back with civility. When someone came at him with vinegar he replied with vinegar and I absolutely love that.
Never think for one second that I do not respect your comments. I don't agree with most but at least you are willing to share regardless. There is honor in that and which I respect. I am not a social person until I know those I'm socializing with are genuine, we don't have to share the same beliefs but the person needs to have some level of seriousness.
I didn't say nor do I think Kirk or anyone for that matter should have roads, schools, buildings, etc named after them. I think we are all just human and we all have our flaws. There are very very very few people I look up to because of this.
Its funny to hear you combine college with education, theres a lot of idiots with master degrees and successful people that didn't graduate high school. This is another bi-product of the system thinking that college equals education. Traditional education gets extremely tainted by the beliefs of the teachers. The only true way to learn is to go outside or above those running the class, or get out in the real world. I can't remember hearing Kirk say he was an expert in anything, he just gave his beleif and why or what he based those beliefs on.
This is where you annoy the hell out of me, Kirk believed a soul was created at conception, he never stated it as fact. To say a woman decides when life begins is nonsense in my opinion. Any biologist that says life doesn't begin at conception isn't a real biologist. That being said I personally don't care if someone gets an abortion but lets make sure we call murder murder because you are killing that fetus, make no mistake about it. Like I said I could car less what someone outside my circle does.
If Kirk wasn't trying to close the gap then what do you think he was doing? He gave people an open mic to say/ask whatever they wanted and then talked to them about it.
I don't care if you think my views are wrong. Who said truth and respect have anything to do with gender? Men should care more about truth then respect.
Lets say you and I are sitting at a table and there is a pink flower on the table. You state that the flower is black when it is clearly pink. Should I tell you its black? Agreeing with you would be the 'respectful' thing to do. I won't do that I will tell you its pink. I will also lose respect for you because you have shown that you cannot be honest. Is my stance wrong?
We strongly disagree on the purpose of life and loving and respecting all people.
As stated earlier no one is perfect and no one thinks Kirk was, Kirk often stated he falls short.
I think racism is a crutch and total nonsense but thats another topic.
Here you go again with the hate stuff. Give me an example of what you mean because it makes no sense to me. What does 'hate wins votes' mean? How does hate make people rich?
I never saw anyone treat Charlie Kirk with uncivil behavior. If I missed it please reference the debate. Not sure what you mean by vinegar so that is silly stuff. These were staged debates not conversation.

We obviously do not agree on the value of education. You get out of education what you put into it. If you are there to party then you only know how to party. I went to college to work in healthcare. I am sorry you did not get value from your college experience. I can still remember the first year of college and I was blown away by the value of information I got but I worked hard. If someone gets a masters degree I doubt they are idiots but I guess you would know better than me because I was surrounded by like minded people who studied very hard.

Charlie Kirk's success did not happen without hard work in his education as well. I admire him for giving the effort. He had to learn from books which means he obviously read a lot. Reading good! I really do not know about his real life education. I can tell you more than you want to know about my real life education and I am sure you could as well. We just do not have anyway of knowing what we know about someone else and real life education so unless you have some metric I don't know about I will take a college education over a real life education. Both is best.

Please tell me how anyone including Charlie Kirk knows where life begins with a soul because that is what his debates were about. When a zygote is formed cell replication begins but no one knows when life begins. You can believe in magic, you can believe in what the bible says about it or you can believe in nonsense but there is no way we will ever know for sure. Neither your opinion or mine means anything. If I were you I would stop being accusatory about women committing murder in abortion issues. It is disrespectful to women who we both owe our lives.

Kirk was not on any mission to close a gap. He was on a mission of political and social ideology. What gap are you talking about anyway. Political division is a gap so maybe that is what you mean.

Why should men care more about truth than respect? What is wrong with caring about them both equally? Your flower example does not respect my color blindness. So yes your stance does not take into account all people including those with color blindness and therefore is wrong.

I am from the South and learned a lot about racism from real life experience. When I was in Junior High School desegregation pitted whites and blacks against each other every day. Been in plenty of fights just defending those who could not defend themselves on both sides. Funny thing happened when we started playing football together. We learned that we had to work together to be successful. It was an amazing education in race relations. I do not know where Charlie Kirk got his education about racism but he was so wrong on institutional racism. Our coach was not racist and he started players who rose to the top with athleticism and work ethic. If only the banking industry, real estate industry, insurance industry etc. worked that way. It does not...

If you do not see how present day politics are using hate and division to keep us from demanding that they work for us and our needs then you are a lost cause. Hate brings in money and power to those who manipulate us with hate rhetoric. I have already listed an example of this and you still don't get it so I don't think I can help you by giving you more examples.
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#36
Lets go with an example. Sunday I was coming through the pass (back from fishing) a bunch of guys were trying to run over dolphins with their boat. I went over and told them what I thought of what they were doing. Should they be shown respect? They didn't threaten me but I will never respect anyone in that boat, maybe its me.
The real question is do you think Kirk's mission to disrespect? Or did he return the energy he was given? I never saw him attach anyone without provocation.
It is neat to look at his early stuff compared to near his end. As would be expected his time in the trenches built confidence and he gave more lateral for people he didn't agree with. Like me he mellowed with age. I loved the way he handle 95% of his interactions, its OK for people to disagree. I still don't see what he did as wins and losses, I think the only losses were when a conversation couldn't be had due to emotion.
In your example I would have agreed with you years ago. Present day I try to look at your example as an opportunity to educate and give them a chance to be educated why what they were doing is very wrong. I get it that it is very hard to respect those guys but I think it is important to at least try giving them a chance to correct their behavior. Maybe what you said did have an impact on them. Maybe when they close their eyes at night they will continue to hear your words 🙂
Lou DemanBeach Fanatic
#37
I never saw anyone treat Charlie Kirk with uncivil behavior. If I missed it please reference the debate. Not sure what you mean by vinegar so that is silly stuff. These were staged debates not conversation.

We obviously do not agree on the value of education. You get out of education what you put into it. If you are there to party then you only know how to party. I went to college to work in healthcare. I am sorry you did not get value from your college experience. I can still remember the first year of college and I was blown away by the value of information I got but I worked hard. If someone gets a masters degree I doubt they are idiots but I guess you would know better than me because I was surrounded by like minded people who studied very hard.

Charlie Kirk's success did not happen without hard work in his education as well. I admire him for giving the effort. He had to learn from books which means he obviously read a lot. Reading good! I really do not know about his real life education. I can tell you more than you want to know about my real life education and I am sure you could as well. We just do not have anyway of knowing what we know about someone else and real life education so unless you have some metric I don't know about I will take a college education over a real life education. Both is best.

Please tell me how anyone including Charlie Kirk knows where life begins with a soul because that is what his debates were about. When a zygote is formed cell replication begins but no one knows when life begins. You can believe in magic, you can believe in what the bible says about it or you can believe in nonsense but there is no way we will ever know for sure. Neither your opinion or mine means anything. If I were you I would stop being accusatory about women committing murder in abortion issues. It is disrespectful to women who we both owe our lives.

Kirk was not on any mission to close a gap. He was on a mission of political and social ideology. What gap are you talking about anyway. Political division is a gap so maybe that is what you mean.

Why should men care more about truth than respect? What is wrong with caring about them both equally? Your flower example does not respect my color blindness. So yes your stance does not take into account all people including those with color blindness and therefore is wrong.

I am from the South and learned a lot about racism from real life experience. When I was in Junior High School desegregation pitted whites and blacks against each other every day. Been in plenty of fights just defending those who could not defend themselves on both sides. Funny thing happened when we started playing football together. We learned that we had to work together to be successful. It was an amazing education in race relations. I do not know where Charlie Kirk got his education about racism but he was so wrong on institutional racism. Our coach was not racist and he started players who rose to the top with athleticism and work ethic. If only the banking industry, real estate industry, insurance industry etc. worked that way. It does not...

If you do not see how present day politics are using hate and division to keep us from demanding that they work for us and our needs then you are a lost cause. Hate brings in money and power to those who manipulate us with hate rhetoric. I have already listed an example of this and you still don't get it so I don't think I can help you by giving you more examples.
You use so many words to say so little
Pointed education has a lot of value, general education is borderline worthless.
Only an idiot would assume what someone else got out of their education. I was blessed to get paid to go to school because I was good at sports. The greatest lesson I learned is how full of poop most of my professors were. Nothing like taking a coarse on investing less then 10 miles from wall street by a guy not investing on wall street. Very educational to take a business coarse from someone that didn't own or run a business. I'll bet they were both democrats (that was a joke). Like I said there's a lot of college educated people making coffee everyday. Leftist always value education over real world experience thats why they are leftist. I've built homes for 3 billionaires so far and only 1 had graduated college.
We agree reading is good.
I am currently writing my first book (kind of). Way tougher then I thought it would be, it might be me.
Your stance about ones soul is beyond odd. First you have to believe in people having souls to even start to have a discussion about when a soul is created. Do you believe that people have souls? Do most people believe souls exist? You try to jump between science and religion to prove some kind of a point but thats not how it works. Any actual biologist would tell you life begins at conception, if you studied healthcare in college you know this as fact. If the ideological side of someone wants to state something else then you are someone with an agenda to push, nothing more nothing less. Personally my opinion means everything to me. Calling an abortion murder is not accusatory it is fact, I already stated that I don't care whether or not someone kills a fetus but lets be adults and call it what it is. What else would you call it when someone intentionally kills a life? Calling truth disrespectful is an odd stance to take.
I beleive Kirk was out to close the gaps between people. Most of the time it was politics sometimes it was faith, other times it was hope to deal with people, I thought you watched a lot of his videos.
Your made up colorblindness is nonsense. If you can't see color you wouldn't argue about the color of something, FFS lets get it together.
Believe me I can tell your from the south but I didn't know you were that old. If you played sports with some brothers then you know there is no difference between white and black. I played a lot of ball with people from all over the world and the only thing that mattered was ball. Color never factored in. I miss those days and I love talking to all my brothers of all different colors. Is there any expiration date on the race card? Some people act like slavery was/is solely a black or American issue when if fact it has happened to every race since the beginning of mankind.
If possible copy and paste your hate example I must have missed it because I have no idea what you are talking about.
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#38
You use so many words to say so little
Pointed education has a lot of value, general education is borderline worthless.
Only an idiot would assume what someone else got out of their education. I was blessed to get paid to go to school because I was good at sports. The greatest lesson I learned is how full of poop most of my professors were. Nothing like taking a coarse on investing less then 10 miles from wall street by a guy not investing on wall street. Very educational to take a business coarse from someone that didn't own or run a business. I'll bet they were both democrats (that was a joke). Like I said there's a lot of college educated people making coffee everyday. Leftist always value education over real world experience thats why they are leftist. I've built homes for 3 billionaires so far and only 1 had graduated college.
We agree reading is good.
I am currently writing my first book (kind of). Way tougher then I thought it would be, it might be me.
Your stance about ones soul is beyond odd. First you have to believe in people having souls to even start to have a discussion about when a soul is created. Do you believe that people have souls? Do most people believe souls exist? You try to jump between science and religion to prove some kind of a point but thats not how it works. Any actual biologist would tell you life begins at conception, if you studied healthcare in college you know this as fact. If the ideological side of someone wants to state something else then you are someone with an agenda to push, nothing more nothing less. Personally my opinion means everything to me. Calling an abortion murder is not accusatory it is fact, I already stated that I don't care whether or not someone kills a fetus but lets be adults and call it what it is. What else would you call it when someone intentionally kills a life? Calling truth disrespectful is an odd stance to take.
I beleive Kirk was out to close the gaps between people. Most of the time it was politics sometimes it was faith, other times it was hope to deal with people, I thought you watched a lot of his videos.
Your made up colorblindness is nonsense. If you can't see color you wouldn't argue about the color of something, FFS lets get it together.
Believe me I can tell your from the south but I didn't know you were that old. If you played sports with some brothers then you know there is no difference between white and black. I played a lot of ball with people from all over the world and the only thing that mattered was ball. Color never factored in. I miss those days and I love talking to all my brothers of all different colors. Is there any expiration date on the race card? Some people act like slavery was/is solely a black or American issue when if fact it has happened to every race since the beginning of mankind.
If possible copy and paste your hate example I must have missed it because I have no idea what you are talking about.
I do not think you read or comprehend my words. Instead of disrespecting you (like you are programmed to do) I will take responsibility for that. I will use less words maybe that helps.

Yes I am older than you unless desegregation took place during your Junior High years. That did not take much education to figure out. It just takes reading skills.

Growing up in Rural South makes you tough as nails. I am sure growing up in a City same way unless born with a silver spoon like our present day leadership. Reference Chris Cuomo's podcast. Not sure what your point is. Probable just disrespect but nothing new.

I never met an idiot so not sure what that is all about. I don't know what you learned in college but it sounds like it made you bitter and hateful. I hope Fox News is not part of your education otherwise I completely understand.

Your labeling of the left with hate just proves what you say about college. People are people. Labels are used to dehumanize. Even with a poor education your experience should have taught you this by now yet you double down. Whether you grow up in the South, North, East or West changes nothing about human nature. You are what you are. The hard part for some is to own it.

I would read your book. You have made me the enemy so if you are right it is good to know your enemy better than they know you 🙂

Your belief in when life begins is important to you and I respect that. My point is that no one has some cosmic or intellectual understanding of what a soul is or what consciousness is. It is debated with no winners and no losers. Therefore I strongly disagree with you calling women murderers when they feel like an abortion is their only option for whatever their reasons. It is a hateful and lazy approach to a complex unknown. I honestly feel bad for you on this subject and your mother. I would respect you more if you would not make the statement that you "do not care" right after you say it "means everything to you". That is a little wishy washy my clothes are still dirty.

Charlie Kirk closed zero gaps. I think he wanted to and thought he was doing something good. I think he gave the effort to do something good. I think if he had lived he would have done something good by continuing to speak out about Israel. I think he may have eventually given up on the current administration just like others are doing as we speak. Try not to misunderstand what I am saying here. He was not an evil person or a bad person and did not deserve getting shot. He absolutely pointed out the weaknesses in the Democratic Party and I hope we all learned something from his debates.

Somehow you missed the point of my response to your example of respect. Everything we do (almost) is a choice with consequences. You can be hungry enough to steal food. I could go on but my point is that you will never have enough information to disrespect another person with 100% accuracy so why not take the Jesus approach?

I agree with you about slavery and that humans have potential to dehumanize another human. Our present administration continues to dehumanize but what is even worse is that there are so many followers of this administration including yourself. I have used that very argument so many times but over the years I have learned how to self reflect on how easy it is to deflect. America and White people are not perfect. Our founders had slaves. Did you know that George Washington had dentures made from human teeth acquired from a slave? I know you know about all the babies born from slaves that had white fathers. Listen we are all imperfect so I am not judging anyone especially our founders but it is okay to question our history on moral grounds of what we got right and what we got wrong. I questioned myself about why I used the above argument about slavery. If we do have a soul we should use it for good and not to justify a bad...

When it comes to hate I can use you as an example by asking you this simple question: When you say "left" what really pops into your head"? Keep your answer to yourself because you have posted enough for me to already know the answer. This is a chance for you to use your soul for self reflection. I know you have one because we all have one. If you post it will be a deflection from the truth so I know this will be a difficult challenge. I do believe Charlie Kirk was in the process of self reflection when his life ended suddenly and he will be missed by so many people including myself...

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Lou DemanBeach Fanatic
#39
I do not think you read or comprehend my words. Instead of disrespecting you (like you are programmed to do) I will take responsibility for that. I will use less words maybe that helps.

Yes I am older than you unless desegregation took place during your Junior High years. That did not take much education to figure out. It just takes reading skills.

Growing up in Rural South makes you tough as nails. I am sure growing up in a City same way unless born with a silver spoon like our present day leadership. Reference Chris Cuomo's podcast. Not sure what your point is. Probable just disrespect but nothing new.

I never met an idiot so not sure what that is all about. I don't know what you learned in college but it sounds like it made you bitter and hateful. I hope Fox News is not part of your education otherwise I completely understand.

Your labeling of the left with hate just proves what you say about college. People are people. Labels are used to dehumanize. Even with a poor education your experience should have taught you this by now yet you double down. Whether you grow up in the South, North, East or West changes nothing about human nature. You are what you are. The hard part for some is to own it.

I would read your book. You have made me the enemy so if you are right it is good to know your enemy better than they know you 🙂

Your belief in when life begins is important to you and I respect that. My point is that no one has some cosmic or intellectual understanding of what a soul is or what consciousness is. It is debated with no winners and no losers. Therefore I strongly disagree with you calling women murderers when they feel like an abortion is their only option for whatever their reasons. It is a hateful and lazy approach to a complex unknown. I honestly feel bad for you on this subject and your mother. I would respect you more if you would not make the statement that you "do not care" right after you say it "means everything to you". That is a little wishy washy my clothes are still dirty.

Charlie Kirk closed zero gaps. I think he wanted to and thought he was doing something good. I think he gave the effort to do something good. I think if he had lived he would have done something good by continuing to speak out about Israel. I think he may have eventually given up on the current administration just like others are doing as we speak. Try not to misunderstand what I am saying here. He was not an evil person or a bad person and did not deserve getting shot. He absolutely pointed out the weaknesses in the Democratic Party and I hope we all learned something from his debates.

Somehow you missed the point of my response to your example of respect. Everything we do (almost) is a choice with consequences. You can be hungry enough to steal food. I could go on but my point is that you will never have enough information to disrespect another person with 100% accuracy so why not take the Jesus approach?

I agree with you about slavery and that humans have potential to dehumanize another human. Our present administration continues to dehumanize but what is even worse is that there are so many followers of this administration including yourself. I have used that very argument so many times but over the years I have learned how to self reflect on how easy it is to deflect. America and White people are not perfect. Our founders had slaves. Did you know that George Washington had dentures made from human teeth acquired from a slave? I know you know about all the babies born from slaves that had white fathers. Listen we are all imperfect so I am not judging anyone especially our founders but it is okay to question our history on moral grounds of what we got right and what we got wrong. I questioned myself about why I used the above argument about slavery. If we do have a soul we should use it for good and not to justify a bad...

When it comes to hate I can use you as an example by asking you this simple question: When you say "left" what really pops into your head"? Keep your answer to yourself because you have posted enough for me to already know the answer. This is a chance for you to use your soul for self reflection. I know you have one because we all have one. If you post it will be a deflection from the truth so I know this will be a difficult challenge. I do believe Charlie Kirk was in the process of self reflection when his life ended suddenly and he will be missed by so many people including myself...
Weak men make hard times
mputnalBeach Fanatic
#40
Weak men make hard times
Weak men make hate their primary purpose. Strong men work hard to promote love and respect for all people.

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