Have questions about "Blithe Spirit"
Have any of you read or seen Noel Coward's play Blithe Spirit?
Did you find anything objectionable about the subject matter?
How about using it for a high school drama production?
Please answer only if you are truly familiar with the play, not just looking at Wikipedia, etc.
I will tell you why I need the info in a bit.
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422SoWal Expert
for all the complaining that I read on these boards, the people of south Walton have one of the poorest records of participation in something as simple as voting that I have ever seen. General elections are not that bad. But primary and special elections are dismal.Since I don't believe that the party system gives us the best candidates for all of the people, I choose not to side with a party. Being unaffiliated with a political party kicks me out of the primaries. Maybe other people feel the same way, hence the low turnout. I'm not trying to turn this into a political thread, but just pointing out that this highly involved person (me) is not able to have a voice in the primaries as long as the system is screwed up.
Beach Fanatic
Could you comment further on the "good ole boy" system that you refer too? I consider myself pretty well connected to most of the elected officials in this county. A majority I consider more than just acquaintances. And for all the times I am around them and interact with them I have never stumbled upon or been involved with this "good ole boy" system. People who participate in the process and try to work out solutions do seem to have a better relationship and are more likely to get things done than those that just gripe all the time from what I have seen.
Perhaps you are afflicted with what is known as "nonconciousness"...the behavior is so much a part of your "normal" that you don't recognize it.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever sat through a commission meeting; tried to get a permit for an addition to his house (if he's not a developer); tried to make sense of turn laneson Highway 98; or the schedule for paving roads in this county; or private sea walls on public beaches; allowing tourists to be arrested on the beach; or ongoing drainage problems in Driftwood Estates; or approval for developments; or ...the list goes on and on, could honestly say there is not a "good old boy" system in place.
I totally agree with you that attending meetings, voting, and getting organized are vital to success...but not to recognize the situation for what it is, is to ignore the obvious.
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Beach Fanatic
Since I don't believe that the party system gives us the best candidates for all of the people, I choose not to side with a party. Being unaffiliated with a political party kicks me out of the primaries. Maybe other people feel the same way, hence the low turnout. I'm not trying to turn this into a political thread, but just pointing out that this highly involved person (me) is not able to have a voice in the primaries as long as the system is screwed up.
You are not completely locked out though. Your school board races are non-partisan and you can vote in those. And if there is no opposition in a particular race it turns into a universal race and you can vote in those. There are a lot of other issues, like the last tax shift we had for the school district that are open to everyone.
I do understand what you are saying though. Not everyone realizes when they can vote because it seems to change so much. And not being affiliated with a particular party does reduce your chance for interaction with elected officials at party functions.
Beach Fanatic
Could you comment further on the "good ole boy" system that you refer too? I consider myself pretty well connected to most of the elected officials in this county. A majority I consider more than just acquaintances. And for all the times I am around them and interact with them I have never stumbled upon or been involved with this "good ole boy" system. People who participate in the process and try to work out solutions do seem to have a better relationship and are more likely to get things done than those that just gripe all the time from what I have seen.
Perhaps you are afflicted with what is known as "nonconciousness"...the behavior is so much a part of your "normal" that you don't recognize it.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever sat through a commission meeting; tried to get a permit for an addition to his house (if he's not a developer); tried to make sense of turn laneson Highway 98; or the schedule for paving roads in this county; or private sea walls on public beaches; allowing tourists to be arrested on the beach; or ongoing drainage problems in Driftwood Estates; or approval for developments; or ...the list goes on and on, could honestly say there is not a "good old boy" system in place.
I totally agree with you that attending meetings, voting, and getting organized are vital to success...but not to recognize the situation for what it is, is to ignore the obvious.
Just not much of a conspiracy person. They all seem to be really trying to do the best that they can. They are hampered in that they have to stay within certain rules. I am sure that there is an amount of payback that occurs. But that occurs in everyday life, not just government. Some of the things that you mention I have tried and have not run into the level of frustration that appears to have blocked your way. Maybe I am the one being naive here.
Beach Fanatic
WaltonGOP,
I have only lived in the area for a little over a year. In that time, my family has tried to become active in the community. I think we have been largely successful at getting involved. Our first opportunity to vote was a couple of weeks ago, but it just happened that nothing was on the ballot. We were busy searching the county websites and searching for roadside signs to see if we were missing something. As for public meetings, we have found ourselves greatly limited in attending some of the meetings because of the one-hour drive time to Defuniak Springs--the folks in Sandestin have an even further drive. I think it is a great step in the right direction to hold at least the school board meetings at floating locations. I am sure that the folks in Paxton probably have similar issues; part of the problem of having such a large and diverse county. From what I have seen when meetings are held south of the bay attendance is much greater.
We are still adjusting to not having a daily newspaper that covers our area, having moved from a larger city. The Walton Sun does a good job, but being a weekly, it is hard to cover everything in a timely way. The Northwest Daily captures some news but is not focused on Walton County. Of course radio and television news coverage are essentially absent from the county, only covering Walton County issues on rare occasion.
With 90% of the tax base living south of the bay, either the politician’s focus of attention will change, or the people’s frustration will eventually bring about greater participation. I would say that this should be especially so after fiasco such as this group of fundamentalist outsiders attacking our children, their education and their play. I do know that I was not the only one who took notes last week so that I can vote properly the next round of elections.
I have only lived in the area for a little over a year. In that time, my family has tried to become active in the community. I think we have been largely successful at getting involved. Our first opportunity to vote was a couple of weeks ago, but it just happened that nothing was on the ballot. We were busy searching the county websites and searching for roadside signs to see if we were missing something. As for public meetings, we have found ourselves greatly limited in attending some of the meetings because of the one-hour drive time to Defuniak Springs--the folks in Sandestin have an even further drive. I think it is a great step in the right direction to hold at least the school board meetings at floating locations. I am sure that the folks in Paxton probably have similar issues; part of the problem of having such a large and diverse county. From what I have seen when meetings are held south of the bay attendance is much greater.
We are still adjusting to not having a daily newspaper that covers our area, having moved from a larger city. The Walton Sun does a good job, but being a weekly, it is hard to cover everything in a timely way. The Northwest Daily captures some news but is not focused on Walton County. Of course radio and television news coverage are essentially absent from the county, only covering Walton County issues on rare occasion.
With 90% of the tax base living south of the bay, either the politician’s focus of attention will change, or the people’s frustration will eventually bring about greater participation. I would say that this should be especially so after fiasco such as this group of fundamentalist outsiders attacking our children, their education and their play. I do know that I was not the only one who took notes last week so that I can vote properly the next round of elections.
Beach Fanatic
Just not much of a conspiracy person. They all seem to be really trying to do the best that they can. They are hampered in that they have to stay within certain rules. I am sure that there is an amount of payback that occurs. But that occurs in everyday life, not just government. Some of the things that you mention I have tried and have not run into the level of frustration that appears to have blocked your way. Maybe I am the one being naive here.[/QUOTE]
maybe. Or maybe I have just been dealing with it for longer, and maybe I have greater expectations of people we elect to office. The rules they have are not that restrictive--they use that as an excuse. They are swayed by special interests much too often and IMO have no real vision for the county and its people.
The School Board situation is sad. To accept that the Superintendent and Principal of SWHS actually allowed a group of outsiders to use religious scare tactics to determine what a Drama Class can do is beyond amazing!
It's been my experience that the students often are more in tune with a reasoned approach than many of adults--especially those who would blindly follow a directive from the pulpit. The most recent meeting was no exception. What is sad, though, is that Principal Ewing caved into to the scare tactics. What kind of example for leadership is that?
Citizens of Walton County need to see some leadership ability from its elected leaders! Or, we need some new leaders.
maybe. Or maybe I have just been dealing with it for longer, and maybe I have greater expectations of people we elect to office. The rules they have are not that restrictive--they use that as an excuse. They are swayed by special interests much too often and IMO have no real vision for the county and its people. The School Board situation is sad. To accept that the Superintendent and Principal of SWHS actually allowed a group of outsiders to use religious scare tactics to determine what a Drama Class can do is beyond amazing!
It's been my experience that the students often are more in tune with a reasoned approach than many of adults--especially those who would blindly follow a directive from the pulpit. The most recent meeting was no exception. What is sad, though, is that Principal Ewing caved into to the scare tactics. What kind of example for leadership is that?
Citizens of Walton County need to see some leadership ability from its elected leaders! Or, we need some new leaders.
SoWal Expert
WaltonGOP, reading the WCTA website, I see the list of financial contributers to the County Commissioners. I also notice several deveoplers and engineering companies who often represent the developers at the Planning Comm and BCC meetings. For you to say it isn't a good ole boy network around here, I encourage you to reread those lists of contributors.
Beach Fanatic
WaltonGOP, reading the WCTA website, I see the list of financial contributers to the County Commissioners. I also notice several deveoplers and engineering companies who often represent the developers at the Planning Comm and BCC meetings. For you to say it isn't a good ole boy network around here, I encourage you to reread those lists of contributors.
So you are assuming that because they take monetary contributions from these people, that they are endeared to them? I see them vote for things that I feel favor these individuals as well as things that do not favor them. Developers are the industry in all of Florida. They give money to the process to try to get people elected that favor their way of thinking. Unless we institute some sort of public financing system, this is the one we have to live with. Rather right or wrong, it takes a lot to get elected. And you have to get elected to be where you can affect change.
But a well organized grass roots group could change things.
Beach Fanatic
WaltonGOP,
I have only lived in the area for a little over a year. In that time, my family has tried to become active in the community. I think we have been largely successful at getting involved. Our first opportunity to vote was a couple of weeks ago, but it just happened that nothing was on the ballot. We were busy searching the county websites and searching for roadside signs to see if we were missing something. As for public meetings, we have found ourselves greatly limited in attending some of the meetings because of the one-hour drive time to Defuniak Springs--the folks in Sandestin have an even further drive. I think it is a great step in the right direction to hold at least the school board meetings at floating locations. I am sure that the folks in Paxton probably have similar issues; part of the problem of having such a large and diverse county. From what I have seen when meetings are held south of the bay attendance is much greater.
We are still adjusting to not having a daily newspaper that covers our area, having moved from a larger city. The Walton Sun does a good job, but being a weekly, it is hard to cover everything in a timely way. The Northwest Daily captures some news but is not focused on Walton County. Of course radio and television news coverage are essentially absent from the county, only covering Walton County issues on rare occasion.
With 90% of the tax base living south of the bay, either the politician?s focus of attention will change, or the people?s frustration will eventually bring about greater participation. I would say that this should be especially so after fiasco such as this group of fundamentalist outsiders attacking our children, their education and their play. I do know that I was not the only one who took notes last week so that I can vote properly the next round of elections.
The BCC meetings have been between the two county facilities for quite a while. It is really sad that it took six years for the school board to start meeting in south Walton again. The last meeting I remember was with the Bay Elementary Charter stuff. Also some pretty interesting meetings when they were trying to get south Walton high school built. But then they quit meeting in the area for some reason. Never really understood why. Paxton is 20 minutes from DeFuniak Springs. About the same as Red Bay or Freeport. I have a meeting once a month in south Walton. Took awhile but I got them to hold every third meeting in DeFuniak Springs just to make it easier on people in the area.
As for fairness, Freeport seems to be about the most fair place for anyone to meet. Nice auditorium at the school also. But not complaining. Now I will just have to pay attention as to where a meeting is if I wish to attend for the school issues.
What election was a couple of weeks ago in Walton County?
SoWal ExpertAuthor
So you are assuming that because they take monetary contributions from these people, that they are endeared to them? I see them vote for things that I feel favor these individuals as well as things that do not favor them. Developers are the industry in all of Florida. They give money to the process to try to get people elected that favor their way of thinking. Unless we institute some sort of public financing system, this is the one we have to live with. Rather right or wrong, it takes a lot to get elected. And you have to get elected to be where you can affect change.
But a well organized grass roots group could change things.
And here is where we need all suggestions- how do we organize? How do we get everyone together? The school is a good example. There is not a parent organization, like a PTA, so there is not a way to keep parents informed.
Beach Fanatic
And here is where we need all suggestions- how do we organize? How do we get everyone together? The school is a good example. There is not a parent organization, like a PTA, so there is not a way to keep parents informed.
Now this is something I do not know, but why not start a PTO. I swear I thought that there was one at SWHS. I just emailed someone that I thought was involved in things in that area and will see if he can tell me what is available.
But groups start small. I remember 12-15 years ago starting to meet with 3 people every other Saturday at a local eatery in DeFuniak Springs to discuss political issues. At those meetings we shared information, asked questions of each other, learned how to get information. That started my political involvement and it has grown from there. As we grew we started posting everything we found out in discussion groups on the internet, we had several lurkers and they would print the information and pass it around the county. I remember several times being called and having things splained in further detail to me. Mostly I was called to have things spun in a different direction. But it all came out in the wash.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Thanks WaltonGOP. The school needs a parent organization for sure.
Wouldn't it be awful if we found out that we actually had a PTA?
Really though, I don't see how the involved parents I know would have missed it. It seems parents group around the activities- the football parents, basketball parents, etc.
Yes, we are talking and e-mailing and posting on a message board and getting mentions in the paper. I had a great 20 minute conversation with a really nice mom at Publix today. Looks like I will need to build more minutes into my Publix runs in the coming months.
Wouldn't it be awful if we found out that we actually had a PTA?
Really though, I don't see how the involved parents I know would have missed it. It seems parents group around the activities- the football parents, basketball parents, etc.Yes, we are talking and e-mailing and posting on a message board and getting mentions in the paper. I had a great 20 minute conversation with a really nice mom at Publix today. Looks like I will need to build more minutes into my Publix runs in the coming months.
Beach Fanatic
The BCC meetings have been between the two county facilities for quite a while. It is really sad that it took six years for the school board to start meeting in south Walton again. The last meeting I remember was with the Bay Elementary Charter stuff. Also some pretty interesting meetings when they were trying to get south Walton high school built. But then they quit meeting in the area for some reason. Never really understood why. Paxton is 20 minutes from DeFuniak Springs. About the same as Red Bay or Freeport. I have a meeting once a month in south Walton. Took awhile but I got them to hold every third meeting in DeFuniak Springs just to make it easier on people in the area.
As for fairness, Freeport seems to be about the most fair place for anyone to meet. Nice auditorium at the school also. But not complaining. Now I will just have to pay attention as to where a meeting is if I wish to attend for the school issues.
What election was a couple of weeks ago in Walton County?
Election Day was a couple of weeks ago. It took a lot of looking to confirm that there was nothing on the ballot.
Beach Fanatic
Election Day was a couple of weeks ago. It took a lot of looking to confirm that there was nothing on the ballot.
I remember now. I did get a couple of calls asking what that was because it showed up on some calendars. You are correct, we did not have anything to vote on at that particular time.
But we did have a special election on May 15, 2007 that had a turnout of around 7-9% if I remember correctly. The issue was taking .5 mills of the capital outlay budget and shifting it over to the general budget for the school district. This was to allow additional operating funding for things like salaries, art, drama, sports, and such.
SoWal Expert
So you are assuming that because they take monetary contributions from these people, that they are endeared to them?... They give money to the process to try to get people elected that favor their way of thinking. Unless we institute some sort of public financing system, this is the one we have to live with. Rather right or wrong, it takes a lot to get elected. And you have to get elected to be where you can affect change.Sounds like you have a good grasp of poliTRICKS.
But a well organized grass roots group could change things.
SoWal Guide
WaltonGOP,
With 90% of the tax base living south of the bay, either the politician?s focus of attention will change, or the people?s frustration will eventually bring about greater participation. I would say that this should be especially so after fiasco such as this group of fundamentalist outsiders attacking our children, their education and their play. I do know that I was not the only one who took notes last week so that I can vote properly the next round of elections.
does anyone remember the big controversey about 10-12 years ago when a group was pushing to "incorporate" Santa Rosa Beach, to form a city government? I don't remember details of how far this went, it was probably a little ahead of its time... but someday it may be an excellent way to address many local services, issues, etc.
Beach Fanatic
does anyone remember the big controversey about 10-12 years ago when a group was pushing to "incorporate" Santa Rosa Beach, to form a city government? I don't remember details of how far this went, it was probably a little ahead of its time... but someday it may be an excellent way to address many local services, issues, etc.
It did not get very far, because on its face it will do nothing more than further increase taxes. In a perfect world, the county would decrease taxes to offset the services that they would no longer provide. But after seeing a 57% budget increase in one year, based mostly on increases in market value due to speculation, I no longer believe that they would do that. It is sad, but I think they would probably use the windfall to further expand government both in scope and cost.
Beach Lover
I remember now. I did get a couple of calls asking what that was because it showed up on some calendars. You are correct, we did not have anything to vote on at that particular time.
But we did have a special election on May 15, 2007 that had a turnout of around 7-9% if I remember correctly. The issue was taking .5 mills of the capital outlay budget and shifting it over to the general budget for the school district. This was to allow additional operating funding for things like salaries, art, drama, sports, and such.
And did it pass?
Beach Lover
I just wondered, does anybody happen to know:
a: How much the WCHS budget is?
b: How the money is allocated? (ie: How much goes to what activity?)
C: Is there a way to "donate" funds to a particular department
or does it all go into the "General Fund" to be spent as "somone" sees fit?
D: Who is that "someone"?
a: How much the WCHS budget is?
b: How the money is allocated? (ie: How much goes to what activity?)
C: Is there a way to "donate" funds to a particular department
or does it all go into the "General Fund" to be spent as "somone" sees fit?
D: Who is that "someone"?
Beach Fanatic
And did it pass?
85% yes. But what would one expect. More money in the general fund is more money for salaries, so the union made sure those affected voted. Seemed few others bothered.
SoWal Insider
My SIL was here for Thanksgiving and she taught high school drama for 10 years. She could not belive that this is happening. She did Blithe and also Agnes of God in South Louisiana where Catholics are everywhere. Not ONE complaint in her 10 years. She did not even alter any play --- EVER. She said that she taught her students like this.
Pretend you wrote a love letter to your boyfriend. You had a friend deliver it to him. On the way she read it and changed some of your words. How would you feel:?? They were your words and you put them that way on purpose... I thought that was a good way to explain it...
Pretend you wrote a love letter to your boyfriend. You had a friend deliver it to him. On the way she read it and changed some of your words. How would you feel:?? They were your words and you put them that way on purpose... I thought that was a good way to explain it...

SoWal Expert
I agree with your sister, IBD. I would also bet that there is copyright of the plays which don't allow it to be altered.
My personal opinion is that one's mind will absorb only that information which he or she already knows. Everything else is ignored.
My personal opinion is that one's mind will absorb only that information which he or she already knows. Everything else is ignored.
Beach Lover
85% yes. But what would one expect. More money in the general fund is more money for salaries, so the union made sure those affected voted. Seemed few others bothered.
NOW you see my point. The Drama department (especially!) as well as most of the other "arts" operate on a "donation from parents" or "event sale" or whatever. The football team and sports oddly do not have that same problem. And the administration I am sure never goes wanting for money!
I would be EXTREMELY embarrassed to be the Principal of a School where the Drama teacher had to PAY out of his own pocket for the needs of his class, whether it be "Blythe Spirit" or "Harvey"!
I would LOVE to see the school budget audited! I wonder who we would have to see to get that done.
Beach Lover
I agree with your sister, IBD. I would also bet that there is copyright of the plays which don't allow it to be altered.
My personal opinion is that one's mind will absorb only that information which he or she already knows. Everything else is ignored.
I gotta say here that I hear SONGS played on regular FM radio probably AT the school on personal radios or on IPods while the kids are on break that make ME sick! NOBODY seems to care about THAT problem warping our children's morals. I would like to see the school TRY to BAN all RADIO stations!
Those stations that care take the time to electronically "bleep" out the worst but the kids all know what the "bleep" means and I am pretty sure that the "bleep" does not violate the copyright on the songs.
The play COULD have been performed if our school administration were not still living in the Dark Ages. Their day has come and gone. They are dinosaurs who just don't know when to become fossils.
I would be willing to make a bet that Blythe Spirit WILL be performed eventually in a Walton County School. IN OUR LIFETIME!

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SoWal Expert
The difference with songs and some movies, converted for TV, is that I believe permission has to be given from the artist/songwriter/movie directors, etc. Artists and their record labels know that their music won't get played on the air with potty mouth talk on the songs. Some artists will make a clean version of a song, while others like the bad-boy reputation and know that the dirty version will sell more copies. They don't want to be on the radio. With movies, like Smokey and the Bandit, which is highly edited for the tv version, features not only potty mouth but also racist remarks. You don't think the tv stations playing the movies are the ones doing the editing, do you? They are not.
I'm not sure what radio stations they are playing at school, but the only ones I can pick up around SoWal don't play potty mouth music, to the best of my knowledge.
For the play to be changed edited, I would think they would need permission from the writer. Maybe Seaside REP can comment on this. I'be been told that some of the plays which they perform do not even allow photos to be taken of the play due to copyrights.
I'm not sure what radio stations they are playing at school, but the only ones I can pick up around SoWal don't play potty mouth music, to the best of my knowledge.
For the play to be changed edited, I would think they would need permission from the writer. Maybe Seaside REP can comment on this. I'be been told that some of the plays which they perform do not even allow photos to be taken of the play due to copyrights.
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