Public's beach rights being attacked
Bulletin from South Walton Community Council
www.southwaltoncc.org
Dear SWCC Member,
I apologize for this late notice. I received the agenda for the county commission meeting via email on Friday. It is a packed agenda which I will send by separate email. The meeting is Tuesday, November 13 at the courthouse in south Walton starting at 4 PM.
There is an item that will potentially impact the publics use of the beach and I want to make you aware of it. The SWCC position is at the end of this email.
As you may recall from my past emails, the county attorney made a presentation to the commissioners in which he offered four options for the county to consider regarding the issue of gulf front property owners excluding the public from using the beach in front of their structure. The county commissioners directed the county attorney to research two of the options. They were (1) preparing an ordinance that recognized the ancient and historical right of the public to use all or a portion (e.g., the first 20 feet) of the beaches under the Tona-Rama Florida Supreme Court case known as the customary use doctrine and (2) consider an easement from private beach front property owners for public access and use of the beach. The county attorney was to make a subsequent presentation on these options. As of this date he has not made a follow-up report to the commissioners.
The issue has now been placed on the agenda by a private attorney representing certain gulf front property owners. The agenda item is identified as:
4:40 PM Matthew W. Burns, Attorney representing Gulf front property owners
1. Request the Commission adopt resolutions or ordinances reconfirming Walton Countys commitment to preserving private property rights and recognizing the private property rights which exist with regard to Gulf front properties in the county
2. Request the Commission reconsider instruction to the County Attorney to draft a proposed county-wide customary use ordinance
Anyone who is concerned about public use of the beach should try to attend this meeting. More information will undoubtedly be presented by the gulf front property owners at the meeting. If you cannot attend you can direct your comments or questions to the commissioners. Their email address are provided below.
SWCC Position
SWCC would like the county commissioners to make a determination of the historic and ancient use of the dry sand beach by the public. We were concerned about one suggested proposal to limit the publics use to a specified distance, e.g., 20 feet, from the high water mark. The following is a letter sent by SWCC to the commissioners some time ago on this issue:
Dear Commissioners,
We want to express our concern with the two proposals currently being reviewed by the county attorney as a resolution of the issue of establishing public access over private beach.
With regard to the proposal to define the publics right of access and use to a specified footage from the high water mark (e.g. 20) we feel the adoption of such a limited public area in fact diminishes the publics rights of access and use under both the Tona-Rama Florida Supreme court case and the Stevens U.S. Supreme Court case.
As indicated in the county attorneys memorandum, the Tona Rama case recognized a right of customary use. The court stated: The interest and rights of the public to the full use of the beaches should be protected. The court concluded (t)he general public may continue to use the dry sand area for their usual recreational activities... (emphasis added)
The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the holding of the Oregon Court in the Stevens case which concluded when plaintiffs took title to their land they were on notice that exclusive use of the dry sand areas was not part of the bundle of rights that they acquired. (emphasis added)
Both cases, and others, recognize the ancient and historical right of the public to access and use the dry sand beach area. The courts did not limit the publics customary use to a small strip of land measured from the high water mark. Why would the county want to narrow the area of the beach which has always been customarily used by the public?
There are logistical problems with trying to squeeze the public onto a strip of beach that is measured from the high water mark. First of all, the high water mark changes daily and in response to any storm. Who will measure the distance and how often? How will the public know where their strip is located? Typically, particularly in the large condos, the rows of private beach chairs and umbrellas are set up as the first tier from the high water mark for view. How much room will be left for the public?
Is this the best solution in light of the projected future population boom and the focus of the TDC to attract more tourists to the area?
The second proposal being considered is to get the beach front property owners to grant an easement to the public to allow the public to use all or a specified part of the beach. If the courts have so strongly upheld a right of customary use, why would the public need an easement? The easement would be granting a right that the public already has. It may also be construed as a rejection by the county of the publics right of customary use. Would the easement be perpetual or would it be revocable by the property owner? Would the public have to pay for the easement right?
An approach that was not discussed is to get the state legislature involved. In 2005 State Senator Carey Baker proposed a bill that would recognize the right of customary use of Florida beaches. His office indicated it did not get out of committee as it was blocked by the committee chairman. While such a bill may run afoul of the Tona-Rama approach which requires a case-by-case determination, it would seem worthwhile to explore this avenue through the countys state representative in Tallahassee. The Texas Open Beach Act has been in effect for years.
In the absence of a state legislative action, we would like to see the county follow the directive in the Tona-Rama case and initiate the case-by-case analysis required to establish the publics right of customary use for each particular beach area within its jurisdiction. The beach area would be a recognition of the dry sand beach historically and currently used by the public.
The proliferation of private beach signs on the beach has increased substantially, even in the current beach nourishment area. The overwhelming users of the beaches are tourist and locals. (Undoubtedly, at one time, many, if not all of those who have objected to people on their private beach were also visitors to the area and enjoyed the rights that they are now wanting to prohibit to others.) This issue must be resolved not only for the economic health of tourism but also for the people who live here and have always used the beach for recreation and spiritual renewal. We do recognize and appreciate that the overwhelming majority of beach front property owners whose deeds go to the high water mark have not in any way attempted to exclude the public from using the beach in front of their structures. Unfortunately, though, the few who have asserted exclusive rights of use have necessitated that this issue must now be addressed.
We believe the U.S. Supreme Court got it right. A beachfront property owner did not acquire the exclusive right to use the beach as a property right. The right of use is a shared right.
We appreciate the commitment of the Board to address this issue and hope that your decision will maintain the current use by the public and not diminish it.
Respectfully submitted,
The Board of Directors of the South Walton Community Council
Alan Newsome-President
Commissioner Contacts
Commissioner Ken Pridgen Commissioner Larry Jones
prikenneth@co.walton.fl.us jonlarry@co.walton.fl.us
Commissioner Cindy Meadows Commissioner Scott Brannon
meacindy@co.walton.fl.us brascott@co.walton.fl.us
Commissioner Sara Comander
comsara@co.walton.fl.us
Replies
244SoWal Expert
The only part with which I agree with you is your last paragraph above. In WalCo, we aren't trying to establish public driving on the beach on privately deed property, by saying that the sunbathing public had established a customary use. The use is not changing, as it did in the Case to which you refer. By the way, is Judge Jacquiline R Griffin a Florida Supreme Court Judge? Supreme Courts don't like to be toyed with like that. Read the statements of the Supreme Court Judges in the Tona-Rama case.
Beach Fanatic
The only part with which I agree with you is your last paragraph above. In WalCo, we aren't trying to establish public driving on the beach on privately deed property, by saying that the sunbathing public had established a customary use. The use is not changing, as it did in the Case to which you refer. By the way, is Judge Jacquiline R Griffin a Florida Supreme Court Judge? Supreme Courts don't like to be toyed with like that. Read the statements of the Supreme Court Judges in the Tona-Rama case.
Well hell...one paragraph is better than no paragraphs. I won't give up on you that easily.
You don't like lawyer quotes. I give you a judge's quote. Then you don't like the judge's quote because she may not be on the Supreme Court. Throw me a rotten bone...please! I interpret the judge's quote. You disagree yet you don't throw in your own interpretation.
SJ, its no secret that you want my (our) private property for yourself and your buds. I just want to know why you think you're entitled other than "customary use" which, by the way, nobody has defined for me (i.e. frequency of visitation, quantity of people, repeatability of the same people visiting, time window in years, and of course - accurate record keeping requirements).
Your general and vague statement that the beaches in Sowal have been open to the public doesn't fly in my book and probably won't at the judicial level. I've been trying to shed a little light regarding this here in FLORIDA (not Oregon, Hawaii or Texas).
SoWal Expert
Well hell...one paragraph is better than no paragraphs. I won't give up on you that easily.
You don't like lawyer quotes. I give you a judge's quote. Then you don't like the judge's quote because she may not be on the Supreme Court. Throw me a rotten bone...please! I interpret the judge's quote. You disagree yet you don't throw in your own interpretation.
SJ, its no secret that you want my (our) private property for yourself and your buds. I just want to know why you think you're entitled other than "customary use" which, by the way, nobody has defined for me (i.e. frequency of visitation, quantity of people, repeatability of the same people visiting, time window in years, and of course - accurate record keeping requirements).
Your general and vague statement that the beaches in Sowal have been open to the public doesn't fly in my book and probably won't at the judicial level. I've been trying to shed a little light regarding this here in FLORIDA (not Oregon, Hawaii or Texas).
-The lawyer's quote made it sound like he was the law, not the lawyer.
-The Judge is saying something contrary to the Florida Supreme Courts written comments on a closed case.
- I already gave my interpretation of it twice.
-I don't want your property.
-On numerous occasions, I have spoken on the specific questions you have regarding customary use. I see no point in repeating the same thing over an over again. That is just silly.
-I do not recall having mentioned customary use of beaches in Oregon, Hawaii, nor Texas.
Beach Fanatic
"-The Judge is saying something contrary to the Florida Supreme Courts written comments on a closed case. "
I quote a judge's quote verbatim from this past September and you say the judge is contradicting a closed case? What's it take to make a point?
"- I already gave my interpretation of it twice. "
Well I guess we see what we want to see.
"-I don't want your property."
Then what's the point of all this?
"-On numerous occasions, I have spoken on the specific questions you have regarding customary use. I see no point in repeating the same thing over an over again. That is just silly."
No its not silly. At least I'm not laughing. Its the core of the argument of this thread, SJ. It's the core on why people are getting arrested. Its the core why TDC sees this as a threat to tourism and the overall economy in SoWal. Its the core why beach renoursihment is being tied up in the Supreme Court that could affect all renourishment projects in Florida. It is the core reason why you and I and others are butting heads.
If you did answer, it surely did not resonate with me.
You are without a doubt the most verbose person on this board. Surely you could endulge me once more with your interpretation of customary use and save me (us) the time of searching for your numerous previous answers.
Again what conditions does your interpretation of customary use meet and what are the values? (frequency, quantity, documentation, etc.)
"-I do not recall having mentioned customary use of beaches in Oregon, Hawaii, nor Texas."
You're right...you didn't, I did. Just pointing out that Florida is a different state (with some different legal interpretations) than the other states that made the beaches public...that's all.
SJ, as you know, I don't take private property rights lightly. Sorry for the heavy-handed tone. Night.
I quote a judge's quote verbatim from this past September and you say the judge is contradicting a closed case? What's it take to make a point?
"- I already gave my interpretation of it twice. "
Well I guess we see what we want to see.
"-I don't want your property."
Then what's the point of all this?
"-On numerous occasions, I have spoken on the specific questions you have regarding customary use. I see no point in repeating the same thing over an over again. That is just silly."
No its not silly. At least I'm not laughing. Its the core of the argument of this thread, SJ. It's the core on why people are getting arrested. Its the core why TDC sees this as a threat to tourism and the overall economy in SoWal. Its the core why beach renoursihment is being tied up in the Supreme Court that could affect all renourishment projects in Florida. It is the core reason why you and I and others are butting heads.
If you did answer, it surely did not resonate with me.
You are without a doubt the most verbose person on this board. Surely you could endulge me once more with your interpretation of customary use and save me (us) the time of searching for your numerous previous answers.
Again what conditions does your interpretation of customary use meet and what are the values? (frequency, quantity, documentation, etc.)
"-I do not recall having mentioned customary use of beaches in Oregon, Hawaii, nor Texas."
You're right...you didn't, I did. Just pointing out that Florida is a different state (with some different legal interpretations) than the other states that made the beaches public...that's all.
SJ, as you know, I don't take private property rights lightly. Sorry for the heavy-handed tone. Night.
SoWal Expert
"-The Judge is saying something contrary to the Florida Supreme Courts written comments on a closed case. "Read into my statements as you wish, but I stated that the Judge whom you quoted, claimed to be interpreting the FL Supreme Court, but in truth, it appears that she is misinterpreting and contradicting that which the FL Supreme Court wrote.
I quote a judge's quote verbatim from this past September and you say the judge is contradicting a closed case? What's it take to make a point?
"- I already gave my interpretation of it twice. "
Well I guess we see what we want to see.
"-I don't want your property."
Then what's the point of all this?
"-On numerous occasions, I have spoken on the specific questions you have regarding customary use. I see no point in repeating the same thing over an over again. That is just silly."
No its not silly. At least I'm not laughing. Its the core of the argument of this thread, SJ. It's the core on why people are getting arrested. Its the core why TDC sees this as a threat to tourism and the overall economy in SoWal. Its the core why beach renoursihment is being tied up in the Supreme Court that could affect all renourishment projects in Florida. It is the core reason why you and I and others are butting heads.
If you did answer, it surely did not resonate with me.
You are without a doubt the most verbose person on this board. Surely you could endulge me once more with your interpretation of customary use and save me (us) the time of searching for your numerous previous answers.
Again what conditions does your interpretation of customary use meet and what are the values? (frequency, quantity, documentation, etc.)
"-I do not recall having mentioned customary use of beaches in Oregon, Hawaii, nor Texas."
You're right...you didn't, I did. Just pointing out that Florida is a different state (with some different legal interpretations) than the other states that made the beaches public...that's all.
SJ, as you know, I don't take private property rights lightly. Sorry for the heavy-handed tone. Night.
You say its not silly for me to repeat myself, so here I am repeating myself. It is silly for me to continuously explain the same thing over and over again to someone who doesn't want to see that I am explaining myself. It is getting old, quickly.
I never asked for beach nourishment and think that the beach would be just fine if people would stop building on the dune system, and stop erecting seawalls. The only reason why the beach isn't as wide as it once was, is due to Man interfering with Ma Nature, and preventing the dunes from collapsing as dunes naturally do. Man is preventing natural nourishment by stopping the dunes from collapsing.
I'm not interested in rehashing my written thoughts on prescriptive easements. I've written several lengthy posts on the subject, and if you are truly interested in my thoughts, take the time to read what I've typed, rather than continuously asking me to answer the question which I already answered several times.
As for the other states' decisions, I could care less. I have referred to only the FL Supreme Court Decisions and Florida Law. The last time I checked, the beaches in Walton County Florida are located in the State of Florida. If the FL Supreme Court wants to look at other states rulings, I'll leave that solely to them.
needs to get out more
...I just want to know why you think you're entitled other than "customary use" which, by the way, nobody has defined for me (i.e. frequency of visitation, quantity of people, repeatability of the same people visiting, time window in years, and of course - accurate record keeping requirements).
This is on the same level as BMBW requesting the tax ID# for Surfrider.
customary use: park at beach, walk onto sand, turn left/right to get out of traffic, lay down towel/deploy chair, enjoy beach, repeat
Beach Fanatic
..........I'm not interested in rehashing my written thoughts on prescriptive easements. I've written several lengthy posts on the subject, and if you are truly interested in my thoughts, take the time to read what I've typed, rather than continuously asking me to answer the question which I already answered several times.....
We are not discussing prescriptive easements. Stay focused.
I just searched for the word "prescriptive" on SoWal that were posted by you....just 4 instances prior to this latest exchange. In one place you basically state that the public has a prescriptive easement to private property if they tresspass and the property is not "hostilely defended" by the private property owner. Weak case for public rights over private property.
Even this from ecopal's post where he quoted items from the Tona-Roma court case:
"....The court found that the Plaintiff had not established all of the technical requirements for a ?prescriptive easement? to exist in favor of the public. The court did, however, establish what some have called a ?doctrine of customary usage?."
"The Tona-Rama case did not establish a blanket right of customary use on all of Florida?s beaches. That case and subsequent court cases have recognized the doctrine of customary use but have indicated that its application to a particular area of beach must be determined on a case-by case basis. In other words, the person or entity trying to establish the right must show that the public use of a particular beach area has been ?ancient, reasonable, without interruption and free from dispute, etc?.
I have just been simply asking what constitutes customary use? This is a simple question that can affect more than just gulf front property owners. Sorry if you're getting frustrated as I detect with your tone.
I can't find any specifics other than the quote above. Even BeachSiO2 [ame="http://sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=267431&postcount=17"]admitted in July [/ame]that he is not sure what constitutes "customary use". So that makes at least two of us on SoWal who admit it.
I can't find anything so far in your posts that effectively and DIRECTLY addresses the question. But I did find some old interesting stuff in the meantime that needed addressing on the other thread.;-)
Beach Fanatic
I can't find any specifics other than the quote above. Even BeachSiO2 admitted in July that he is not sure what constitutes "customary use".
Yeah, but what does he know. He is admittedly NOT a law student, attorney, land use attorney, or judge. Heck he doesn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express when he travels. I wouldn't hang my hat on any interpretation he makes of legal mumbo jumbo.
Beach Fanatic
Yeah, but what does he know. He is admittedly NOT a law student, attorney, land use attorney, or judge. Heck he doesn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express when he travels. I wouldn't hang my hat on any interpretation he makes of legal mumbo jumbo.Maybe not, but a little birdie tells me that "he" knows more than the average bear.

Beach Fanatic
Scott, Geoffrey R. ?Expanding Public Trust Doctrine: A Warning to
Environmentalists and Policy Makers.?
Fordham Environmental Law
Journal 10 (1998): 1?70.
Journal 10 (1998): 1?70.
Scott argues that while the public trust doctrine has been applied and adapted to a wide variety of situations, they all have been based on the currently popular social need of providing access to the shore without compensating the private property owner, rather than on good jurisprudence. He describes two very different applications of the public trust doctrine in neighboring states?liberal application in New Jersey and strict application in Delaware?to demonstrate the lack of uniformity in interpreting the doctrine. The adherence of Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Council and related cases to the Fifth Amendment is signaling that the limits of the doctrine have been reached. Scott argues that the judicial system is used to redress imbalances. While the public trust doctrine accommodates public interests, it denies any quid pro quo for private interests. The same forces that expanded the public trust doctrine can swing back to restrict it unless both sides with interests in the shoreline are accommodated.
SoWal Insider
No Trespassing signs, rent-a-cops, beach tasering and or hand cuffing, fences.....perhaps you can dye the sand to read "mine"!
SoWal Expert
HELLO, Tona-Roma was 100% about prescriptive easements. You and others claim that gulf front owners are losing something by the public using the beach, and that is what makes it a Prescriptive Easement issue. You are the one who has drifted off topic.
Perhaps this article from floridalandlaw.com is more informative than the news flash which you posted:
Tuesday, September 25, 2007
Fifth District: Volusia County Must Demonstrate Historic Use of Beach
In Trepanier et al v. County of Volusia, the Fifth District got into a veritable scrum of overlapping issues involving the County's assertion of the right to occupy platted lots. That are beachfront. It overturned a summary judgment on behalf of the County for most of the counts, but basically blew that takings issue (more below) and upheld the lower court.
A bunch of folks have beach front lots, with a seawall back into the property. Used to be lots of beach in front of the platted lots, but hurricanes resulted in what appears to be avulsion (not gradual erosion, but sudden loss of land).
The County then decided that it would help people invade the lots. It staked out areas up to the dune line (way past the high water mark), and delineated areas in which people could drive and park that were within the platted area of the lots. This appears to have been the veritable straw, as the various landowners seem to have been accepting of some give and take with the public for crossing or sitting on the beach, but didn't like the cars.
Suit ensues, with claims of trespass and taking, as well as requests for declaratory and injunctive relief.
The County not only claims that the entire beach in Volusia County (more on the definition) is open to the use and access of the public, but that cars can use it, too. Yes, Tona-Roma returns, with a vengeance (montazuma's vengence). The County demands that the court establish an easement across the landowners' lots up to the seawall or line of permanent vegetation. Not only that, but the County actually counter claims against the homeowners for some ancient cause called "perpresture" -- which the court explains in a footnote is "[a]n encroachment upon public rights and easements by appropriation to private use of that which belongs to the public." Yep, the County claimed that, by asserting that they still owned their lots and had any right to exclude the public (or at least its cars), the homeowners were stealing from the public.
Lenin would be so proud to know that Volusia County agrees that property is theft. (remember the right to exclude, core stick in that bundle?) On the County's motion for summary judgment, the circuit court also apparently pulled out a copy of "What is to Be Done?" along with its Southern Reporter. In what sounds like excrutiating detail, the circuit court turned effective title much of the lots to the County, ruling that (quoting from the 5th DCA opinion):
This court declares that the defendant, COUNTY OF VOLUSIA, on behalf of the
public, holds a superior claim to possession and use of the beach landward of
the mean low water mark of the Atlantic Ocean to the place where there is marked change in material or physiographic form, or to the line of permanent vegetation in accordance with the definition set forth in Fla. Stat. section 161.54(3) (2004).
Plaintiffs are permanently enjoined from impeding public access to the beach or from acting in any manner inconsistent with the free use of the beach by the public,
including access by motor vehicle, subject to the regulatory power of the County of Volusia.
Ok, so first the Court declares that the County actually owns the real rights to the beach for the public (yeah, Lenin!) - for what else is a "superior claim to possession and use"? The court then declares that the area of the beach is defined not by common law, but by Florida Statutes. It enjoins the landowners from acting "in any manner inconsistent with the free use of the beach by the public," which appears to me to mean that the public has a right to set up a tent in front of the Plaintiffs lots to enjoy the beach, but if the Plaintiffs do the same thing they are in contempt.
The circuit court does a handwave to Tona-Rama, but completely bastardizes the fact-specific holding that case. For those who don't read all the obscure land use cases, Tona-Rama held that (in very fact specific circumstances) parts of the beach at Daytona Beach around the pier had been subject to public use for so long that a prescriptive easement had been established, one that prevented the owner of the pier from developing on parts of the beach that had been essentially the public beach. The circuit court reached around Tona-Rama and added a dose of its own public policy to hold that the beaches throughout Volusia County (again, defined by the statute) are public as a matter of law, and open to vehicles.
It also finds prescriptive use rights based on (uncited) open and historic use of the beach.
Oh, and it doesn't stop.
The circuit court also agrees with the County that whenever the beach changes landward, the public's rights automatically migrate with it (no review whatsoever of whether changes are avulsion or erosion - too petty a detail to consider when homeowners are stealing the beach).
The Fifth District, to its credit, puts most of this to a screeching halt. It wants to see a factual record on whether this area of the beach was historically used by cars, and for what part of the beach (like, did people ever drive within the platted lots?). The Fifth also wants findings on the avulsion/erosion issue, and whether the use of the beach was permissive (which doesn't create prescription) versus adverse.
In other words, the Fifth is going to require fairly strict application of the common law principles that underlie Tona-Rama and not simply wink at judicial expropriation of the beach through some newly minted rule of law. The opinion deals with the critical Tona-Rama case this way:
Although we recognize that the issue is far from clear, we conclude, both from
our reading of the supreme court's various opinions in Tona-Rama and from reading the underlying decision of the First District Court of Appeal in City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama, Inc., 271 So. 2d 765 (Fla. 1st DCA 1972), that the intent of the supreme court was to declare the right of customary use in the public only for the area of beach at issue in that case, for which it had an extensive factual record of customary public use. Indeed, the decision of the First District Court of Appeal was explicit in this regard, as it necessarily had to be, because the remedy that court embraced was prescriptive easement.
On the question of whether the right to use the beach above the high water line (if it were established) also moved, the court held that the avulsion/erosion issue had to be addressed. It went on to hold:
Certainly, if it can be shown that, by custom, use of the beach by the public as a thoroughfare has moved seaward and landward onto Appellant's property with the movement of the mean high water line, that public right is inviolate. However, it is not evident, if customary use of a beach is made impossible by the landward shift of the mean high water line, that the areas subject to the public right by custom would move landward with it to preserve public use on private property that previously was not subject to the public's customary right of use.
The Fifth also noted that the entire issue is going to require resolution by the Florida Supreme Court: "We recognize that a question as important as the meaning and scope of Tona-Rama and the migration of the public's customary right to use of the beach will ultimately have to be determined by the Supreme Court of Florida, not this court. We believe, however, that this case should not go to the high court until the evidentiary issues we refer to have been developed in the trial court. "
After all this good work, the district court blows the final act when it upholds the circuit court's dismissal of the landowners' takings claims:
Finally, we agree with the trial court's analysis of the "takings" issue. If the law
recognizes that the public has a customary right to drive and park on Appellants'
property as an adjunct of its right to other recreational uses of that property, as
recognized in Tona-Rama, then no takings claim can be made out.
The problem should be obvious: if the circuit court finds that the public does not have a customary right to drive on these lots, then the County's actions in staking out parts of the Plaintiff's lots and letting people park and drive on them is a taking! Remember Loretto? One of the remaining "per se" takings claims - significant interference with the right to exclude?
The problem with this mistake (and you can understand it in context) is that it implies that there isn't a taking or recompense for the plaintiffs even if they win and the County refuses to stop. Very sad that in order to fix this giant hole in an otherwise smart and thoughtful decision, the landowners might have to ask the supreme court to review it.
Maybe the landowners should simply start putting out calthrops or other barriers to the cars and let the county sue them and move for a temporary injunction to stop them. Would be a VERY interesting case at that point regarding who's rights are initially recognized - the fee owner seised under the common law or the invading government, claiming on behalf of the public that the landowners "seisin" constitutes a seizure.
In any case - VERY important stuff and at least some glimmer that the rule of law and cooler heads sometimes prevail. Lenin may be weeping, but Locke and Blackstone smile.
Perhaps this article from floridalandlaw.com is more informative than the news flash which you posted:
Tuesday, September 25, 2007
Fifth District: Volusia County Must Demonstrate Historic Use of Beach
In Trepanier et al v. County of Volusia, the Fifth District got into a veritable scrum of overlapping issues involving the County's assertion of the right to occupy platted lots. That are beachfront. It overturned a summary judgment on behalf of the County for most of the counts, but basically blew that takings issue (more below) and upheld the lower court.
A bunch of folks have beach front lots, with a seawall back into the property. Used to be lots of beach in front of the platted lots, but hurricanes resulted in what appears to be avulsion (not gradual erosion, but sudden loss of land).
The County then decided that it would help people invade the lots. It staked out areas up to the dune line (way past the high water mark), and delineated areas in which people could drive and park that were within the platted area of the lots. This appears to have been the veritable straw, as the various landowners seem to have been accepting of some give and take with the public for crossing or sitting on the beach, but didn't like the cars.
Suit ensues, with claims of trespass and taking, as well as requests for declaratory and injunctive relief.
The County not only claims that the entire beach in Volusia County (more on the definition) is open to the use and access of the public, but that cars can use it, too. Yes, Tona-Roma returns, with a vengeance (montazuma's vengence). The County demands that the court establish an easement across the landowners' lots up to the seawall or line of permanent vegetation. Not only that, but the County actually counter claims against the homeowners for some ancient cause called "perpresture" -- which the court explains in a footnote is "[a]n encroachment upon public rights and easements by appropriation to private use of that which belongs to the public." Yep, the County claimed that, by asserting that they still owned their lots and had any right to exclude the public (or at least its cars), the homeowners were stealing from the public.
Lenin would be so proud to know that Volusia County agrees that property is theft. (remember the right to exclude, core stick in that bundle?) On the County's motion for summary judgment, the circuit court also apparently pulled out a copy of "What is to Be Done?" along with its Southern Reporter. In what sounds like excrutiating detail, the circuit court turned effective title much of the lots to the County, ruling that (quoting from the 5th DCA opinion):
This court declares that the defendant, COUNTY OF VOLUSIA, on behalf of the
public, holds a superior claim to possession and use of the beach landward of
the mean low water mark of the Atlantic Ocean to the place where there is marked change in material or physiographic form, or to the line of permanent vegetation in accordance with the definition set forth in Fla. Stat. section 161.54(3) (2004).
Plaintiffs are permanently enjoined from impeding public access to the beach or from acting in any manner inconsistent with the free use of the beach by the public,
including access by motor vehicle, subject to the regulatory power of the County of Volusia.
Ok, so first the Court declares that the County actually owns the real rights to the beach for the public (yeah, Lenin!) - for what else is a "superior claim to possession and use"? The court then declares that the area of the beach is defined not by common law, but by Florida Statutes. It enjoins the landowners from acting "in any manner inconsistent with the free use of the beach by the public," which appears to me to mean that the public has a right to set up a tent in front of the Plaintiffs lots to enjoy the beach, but if the Plaintiffs do the same thing they are in contempt.
The circuit court does a handwave to Tona-Rama, but completely bastardizes the fact-specific holding that case. For those who don't read all the obscure land use cases, Tona-Rama held that (in very fact specific circumstances) parts of the beach at Daytona Beach around the pier had been subject to public use for so long that a prescriptive easement had been established, one that prevented the owner of the pier from developing on parts of the beach that had been essentially the public beach. The circuit court reached around Tona-Rama and added a dose of its own public policy to hold that the beaches throughout Volusia County (again, defined by the statute) are public as a matter of law, and open to vehicles.
It also finds prescriptive use rights based on (uncited) open and historic use of the beach.
Oh, and it doesn't stop.
The circuit court also agrees with the County that whenever the beach changes landward, the public's rights automatically migrate with it (no review whatsoever of whether changes are avulsion or erosion - too petty a detail to consider when homeowners are stealing the beach).
The Fifth District, to its credit, puts most of this to a screeching halt. It wants to see a factual record on whether this area of the beach was historically used by cars, and for what part of the beach (like, did people ever drive within the platted lots?). The Fifth also wants findings on the avulsion/erosion issue, and whether the use of the beach was permissive (which doesn't create prescription) versus adverse.
In other words, the Fifth is going to require fairly strict application of the common law principles that underlie Tona-Rama and not simply wink at judicial expropriation of the beach through some newly minted rule of law. The opinion deals with the critical Tona-Rama case this way:
Although we recognize that the issue is far from clear, we conclude, both from
our reading of the supreme court's various opinions in Tona-Rama and from reading the underlying decision of the First District Court of Appeal in City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama, Inc., 271 So. 2d 765 (Fla. 1st DCA 1972), that the intent of the supreme court was to declare the right of customary use in the public only for the area of beach at issue in that case, for which it had an extensive factual record of customary public use. Indeed, the decision of the First District Court of Appeal was explicit in this regard, as it necessarily had to be, because the remedy that court embraced was prescriptive easement.
On the question of whether the right to use the beach above the high water line (if it were established) also moved, the court held that the avulsion/erosion issue had to be addressed. It went on to hold:
Certainly, if it can be shown that, by custom, use of the beach by the public as a thoroughfare has moved seaward and landward onto Appellant's property with the movement of the mean high water line, that public right is inviolate. However, it is not evident, if customary use of a beach is made impossible by the landward shift of the mean high water line, that the areas subject to the public right by custom would move landward with it to preserve public use on private property that previously was not subject to the public's customary right of use.
The Fifth also noted that the entire issue is going to require resolution by the Florida Supreme Court: "We recognize that a question as important as the meaning and scope of Tona-Rama and the migration of the public's customary right to use of the beach will ultimately have to be determined by the Supreme Court of Florida, not this court. We believe, however, that this case should not go to the high court until the evidentiary issues we refer to have been developed in the trial court. "
After all this good work, the district court blows the final act when it upholds the circuit court's dismissal of the landowners' takings claims:
Finally, we agree with the trial court's analysis of the "takings" issue. If the law
recognizes that the public has a customary right to drive and park on Appellants'
property as an adjunct of its right to other recreational uses of that property, as
recognized in Tona-Rama, then no takings claim can be made out.
The problem should be obvious: if the circuit court finds that the public does not have a customary right to drive on these lots, then the County's actions in staking out parts of the Plaintiff's lots and letting people park and drive on them is a taking! Remember Loretto? One of the remaining "per se" takings claims - significant interference with the right to exclude?
The problem with this mistake (and you can understand it in context) is that it implies that there isn't a taking or recompense for the plaintiffs even if they win and the County refuses to stop. Very sad that in order to fix this giant hole in an otherwise smart and thoughtful decision, the landowners might have to ask the supreme court to review it.
Maybe the landowners should simply start putting out calthrops or other barriers to the cars and let the county sue them and move for a temporary injunction to stop them. Would be a VERY interesting case at that point regarding who's rights are initially recognized - the fee owner seised under the common law or the invading government, claiming on behalf of the public that the landowners "seisin" constitutes a seizure.
In any case - VERY important stuff and at least some glimmer that the rule of law and cooler heads sometimes prevail. Lenin may be weeping, but Locke and Blackstone smile.
Edited
SoWal Expert
Also, keep in mind that Tona-Rama decision of the FL Supreme Court was based on another case, White v. Hughes, in which the Florida Supreme Court stated:
"there is probably no custom more universal, more natural or more ancient, on the sea-coasts, not only of the United States, but of the world, than that of bathing in the salt waters of the ocean and the enjoyment of the wholesome recreation incident thereto. The lure of the ocean is universal; to battle with its refreshing breakers a delight. . . . The attraction of the ocean for mankind is as enduring as its own changelessness. The people of Florida—a State blessed with probably the finest bathing beaches in the world—are no exception to the rule. . . . We love the oceans which surround our State. We, and our visitors too, enjoy bathing in their refreshing waters.
and the FL Supreme Court, in Tona-Rama concluded:
"the beaches of Florida are of such a character as to use and potential development as to require separate consideration from other lands with respect to the elements and consequence of title. The sandy portion of the beaches are of no use for farming, grazing, timber production, or residency—the traditional uses of land—but has served as a thoroughfare and haven for fishermen and bathers, as well as a place of recreation for the public. The interest and rights of the public to the full use of the beaches should be protected.
Furthermore, the court recognized:
the propriety of protecting the public interest in, and right to utilization of, the beaches and oceans of the State of Florida. No part of Florida is more exclusively hers, nor more properly utilized by her people than her beaches. And the right of the public of access to, and enjoyment of, Florida's oceans and beaches has long been recognized by this Court"
"there is probably no custom more universal, more natural or more ancient, on the sea-coasts, not only of the United States, but of the world, than that of bathing in the salt waters of the ocean and the enjoyment of the wholesome recreation incident thereto. The lure of the ocean is universal; to battle with its refreshing breakers a delight. . . . The attraction of the ocean for mankind is as enduring as its own changelessness. The people of Florida—a State blessed with probably the finest bathing beaches in the world—are no exception to the rule. . . . We love the oceans which surround our State. We, and our visitors too, enjoy bathing in their refreshing waters.
and the FL Supreme Court, in Tona-Rama concluded:
"the beaches of Florida are of such a character as to use and potential development as to require separate consideration from other lands with respect to the elements and consequence of title. The sandy portion of the beaches are of no use for farming, grazing, timber production, or residency—the traditional uses of land—but has served as a thoroughfare and haven for fishermen and bathers, as well as a place of recreation for the public. The interest and rights of the public to the full use of the beaches should be protected.
Furthermore, the court recognized:
the propriety of protecting the public interest in, and right to utilization of, the beaches and oceans of the State of Florida. No part of Florida is more exclusively hers, nor more properly utilized by her people than her beaches. And the right of the public of access to, and enjoyment of, Florida's oceans and beaches has long been recognized by this Court"
SoWal Expert
BTW, BMBV, you can find most of the answers to your questions regarding the legal definitions of prescriptive easements in Court Cases. Try looking them up on the FL Supreme Court's website.
Beach Fanatic
HELLO, Tona-Roma was 100% about prescriptive easements. You and others claim that gulf front owners are losing something by the public using the beach, and that is what makes it a Prescriptive Easement issue. You are the one who has drifted off topic. .....
I asked what constituted "customary use". You responded with prescriptive easment stuff. Those are two issues as far as I can tell. I assume that from ecopal's post that Tona-Roma did not prevail on prescriptive use but on customary use.
I'm not a lawyer, but I think I interpreted ecopal's post properly. Are you saying the paragraph listed in ecopal's post is incorrect or not applicable?....
"....The court found that the Plaintiff had not established all of the technical requirements for a ?prescriptive easement? to exist in favor of the public. The court did, however, establish what some have called a ?doctrine of customary usage?."
SoWal Expert
I asked what constituted "customary use". You responded with prescriptive easment stuff. Those are two issues as far as I can tell. I assume that from ecopal's post that Tona-Roma did not prevail on prescriptive use but on customary use.Yes, that paragraph is applicable. The reason prescriptive easements was thrown out in Tona Rama was due to the Court stating that the plaintiff didn't lose any value by the public using the land.
I'm not a lawyer, but I think I interpreted ecopal's post properly. Are you saying the paragraph listed in ecopal's post is incorrect or not applicable?....
"....The court found that the Plaintiff had not established all of the technical requirements for a ?prescriptive easement? to exist in favor of the public. The court did, however, establish what some have called a ?doctrine of customary usage?."
The pointed out that I was not on focus of this thread by talking about Prescriptive Easements. However, this thread title is about property rights issues, and for our area, the Gulf front property owners raising stink about beach rights, are saying that they are losing something by the public using the beach, therefore, this issue is about prescriptive easements. Customary Usage plays a part in prescriptive easements. A rectangle is not a square. ...
SoWal Expert
BTW, I thought I remember you saying that us talking about this wouldn't solve anything and that you were going to wait for the Courts to make a decision. What happened to that?
Beach Fanatic
Yes, that paragraph is applicable. The reason prescriptive easements was thrown out in Tona Rama was due to the Court stating that the plaintiff didn't lose any value by the public using the land.
The pointed out that I was not on focus of this thread by talking about Prescriptive Easements. However, this thread title is about property rights issues, and for our area, the Gulf front property owners raising stink about beach rights, are saying that they are losing something by the public using the beach, therefore, this issue is about prescriptive easements. Customary Usage plays a part in prescriptive easements. A rectangle is not a square. ...
We were definitely talking about Customary Use, no question about it. You abruptly switched subjects.
Your quote from 12:01 AM today....
"-On numerous occasions, I have spoken on the specific questions you have regarding customary use. I see no point in repeating the same thing over an over again. That is just silly. "
You did say "customary use" didn't you? I simply asked you to point out where. Many things to you appear to be silly and repetitive lately.
I sincerely tried to find your posts regarding customary use but couldn't. I guess I'm not a digital bloodhound like you...but I try.
You won't give me minute of your time to help me find your post yet you have no problem with spending time posting an article about Volusia County and Lenin where you referenced floridalandlaw.com. Who wrote the article? Sounds a little psychotic to me, honestly with phrases like "(yeah, Lenin!)".
Oh, I see, floridalandlaw.com is a lawyer's website.
At least I give you a judge after your bashing about my lawyer quote.

SoWal Expert
Here are some new changes in enforcement. I like those apples. Finally, they decided to listen to my idea. It should be up to the person filing the complaint to prove that a trespass exists, prior to someone being arrested, locked in jail. Otherwise, anyone could charge anyone else with trespassing just to have the other person arrested and locked in jail. 
From www.waltonsun.com
County looks to dodge beach privatization bullet
By Sean Boone sean_boone@link.freedom.com
In July 2007, a visitor from Atlanta was arrested for not leaving a private beach property near The Retreat subdivision in Blue Mountain Beach. That arrest sparked controversy over what and where is deemed off limits to the public on South Walton beaches.
At the time of the incident, the Walton County Sheriff’s Office was enforcing the wet sand line as to where a person could legally sit or loiter in front of a private beach. But since the incident, the WCSO is now enforcing a state attorney’s code that requires proof of representative authority.
According to a state attorney’s document sent to the WCSO in August 2007, a representative of the property or property owner must obtain a sworn statement from the complainant that includes the exact latitude/longitude of the trespass and have proper photographs to show landmarks around where the trespass took place.
Captain Eddie Farris of the WCSO said their enforcement would continue to adhere to what the state attorney asks of them.
“As long as we meet the state attorney’s request,” he said. “We will go by what they say.”
Under the new code, the wet sand enforcement would also be changed requiring an owner to provide the plot of the mean-high-tide area over a 19-year period.
The 1974 City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama Inc. case brought beach privatization into full light, ruling that property that historically had been used as public access, could not be deemed private.
But many gray areas remain as to what is historic public access in the state of Florida.
Recently, Walton and Okaloosa County beach renourishment efforts have raised questions over what is the private beach owner’s rightful land and what is part of public beach after additional sand is added that extends property.
A lawsuit from three homeowners challenging the state’s erosion control permit was heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in April 2007, but a decision in the matter has not yet been tendered.
South Walton Tourist Development Beach Maintenance Manager David Sell said in a recent e-mail that the Remove It Or Lose It program, which removes items left on county beaches overnight, would not be able to patrol renourished beaches in the western end of the county until the Supreme Court ruling is made to determine if the area of beach is private or public.
“It is the county position that it should be public from the CCL (Coastal Construction Line) to the water,” he said. “However, we must wait to hear how the courts rule on it.”
Last year, Edgewater Condominiums in Miramar Beach fi led suit against Walton County after threats were made to remove their volleyball net, which was seen as a removable item under the TDC’s program.
“Since the code said chairs, tents, toys etc., Edgewater management thought the county had over-stepped its authority,” said Edgewater President Suzanne Harris. “Edgewater thought it was selective enforcement because an investigation by our attorney found there were many volleyball nets that had not been tagged, such as the one at the Whale’s Tail restaurant that was (on) public beach.”
BEACH SAFETY
LOOPHOLE
The South Walton Fire District’s Beach Safety program currently patrols more than 26 miles of beaches in South Walton. Much of the patrolling is done by roving (vehicles) below the high tide mark of private beaches.
“The majority of our responses are on private beaches,” said SWFD Beach Safety Director Gary Wise. “Without roving patrol west of Pompano Joe’s there would be no response (on west end of county beaches).”
Walton County currently has eight public beach accesses with lifeguard towers, but according to Wise many of the private beach areas have the worst rip currents.
“Two of the worst rip current areas are in Miramar Beach (on private property),” he said. “There are 26 miles of beach. Divide that by eight and you don’t have an ideal mathematical equation.”
Wise said his lifeguards were involved with 45 rescues and more than 50 assists (helped from the water) during Memorial Day weekend – many of who were swimming in front of private beach properties.

Private beach property creates a tricky legal situation for Walton County authorities. (Sean Boone/ The Sun)

From www.waltonsun.com
County looks to dodge beach privatization bullet
By Sean Boone sean_boone@link.freedom.com
In July 2007, a visitor from Atlanta was arrested for not leaving a private beach property near The Retreat subdivision in Blue Mountain Beach. That arrest sparked controversy over what and where is deemed off limits to the public on South Walton beaches.
At the time of the incident, the Walton County Sheriff’s Office was enforcing the wet sand line as to where a person could legally sit or loiter in front of a private beach. But since the incident, the WCSO is now enforcing a state attorney’s code that requires proof of representative authority.
According to a state attorney’s document sent to the WCSO in August 2007, a representative of the property or property owner must obtain a sworn statement from the complainant that includes the exact latitude/longitude of the trespass and have proper photographs to show landmarks around where the trespass took place.
Captain Eddie Farris of the WCSO said their enforcement would continue to adhere to what the state attorney asks of them.
“As long as we meet the state attorney’s request,” he said. “We will go by what they say.”
Under the new code, the wet sand enforcement would also be changed requiring an owner to provide the plot of the mean-high-tide area over a 19-year period.
The 1974 City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama Inc. case brought beach privatization into full light, ruling that property that historically had been used as public access, could not be deemed private.
But many gray areas remain as to what is historic public access in the state of Florida.
Recently, Walton and Okaloosa County beach renourishment efforts have raised questions over what is the private beach owner’s rightful land and what is part of public beach after additional sand is added that extends property.
A lawsuit from three homeowners challenging the state’s erosion control permit was heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in April 2007, but a decision in the matter has not yet been tendered.
South Walton Tourist Development Beach Maintenance Manager David Sell said in a recent e-mail that the Remove It Or Lose It program, which removes items left on county beaches overnight, would not be able to patrol renourished beaches in the western end of the county until the Supreme Court ruling is made to determine if the area of beach is private or public.
“It is the county position that it should be public from the CCL (Coastal Construction Line) to the water,” he said. “However, we must wait to hear how the courts rule on it.”
Last year, Edgewater Condominiums in Miramar Beach fi led suit against Walton County after threats were made to remove their volleyball net, which was seen as a removable item under the TDC’s program.
“Since the code said chairs, tents, toys etc., Edgewater management thought the county had over-stepped its authority,” said Edgewater President Suzanne Harris. “Edgewater thought it was selective enforcement because an investigation by our attorney found there were many volleyball nets that had not been tagged, such as the one at the Whale’s Tail restaurant that was (on) public beach.”
BEACH SAFETY
LOOPHOLE
The South Walton Fire District’s Beach Safety program currently patrols more than 26 miles of beaches in South Walton. Much of the patrolling is done by roving (vehicles) below the high tide mark of private beaches.
“The majority of our responses are on private beaches,” said SWFD Beach Safety Director Gary Wise. “Without roving patrol west of Pompano Joe’s there would be no response (on west end of county beaches).”
Walton County currently has eight public beach accesses with lifeguard towers, but according to Wise many of the private beach areas have the worst rip currents.
“Two of the worst rip current areas are in Miramar Beach (on private property),” he said. “There are 26 miles of beach. Divide that by eight and you don’t have an ideal mathematical equation.”
Wise said his lifeguards were involved with 45 rescues and more than 50 assists (helped from the water) during Memorial Day weekend – many of who were swimming in front of private beach properties.

Private beach property creates a tricky legal situation for Walton County authorities. (Sean Boone/ The Sun)
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