Who do I have to call to get a jetty built at Western Lakes' outlet and then a boat access and trailer parking?
Share the pros and cons all.
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Beach Fanatic
Who do I have to call to get a jetty built at Western Lakes' outlet and then a boat access and trailer parking?
Share the pros and cons all.
That would sure create a nice surf break but it will never happen. The coastal dune lakes are too rare.
needs to get out more
con: jetty's actually promote erosion of sand at and around the jetty. the sand is washed away.
SoWal Expert
pro -- maybe the water would be deep enough that the kids would no longer catch and torture the crabs.
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Beach Fanatic
Pro: You gotta love what that rock does! Good for surf!
Beach Fanatic
Not legal under the present county codes which do not allow any armoring at the dune lake outlets. Those outlets are meant to open and close and meander - a permanent structure such as you are proposing would completely alter the lake ecology. I would suggest you educate yourself about coastal dune lakes and also the effects of jetties on beach erosion.
This is a terrible idea.
This is a terrible idea.
Beach Fanatic
Are you CRAZY!!!!!!!
Beach Fanatic
We all know it is a crazy idea and bad for the lake but one can sure dream... I am still in favor of building up the second sand bar like a reef. This would be great for surfing, fishing and help deflect wave energy off the beach! Of course, I am a little tainted and bias!
Beach Comber
I think a stone reef would be great all around.It would slow the storm surge create a great fishing environment and one heck of a wave. And would be cheaper than rebuilding the beaches every time we have storm. I think.
Beach LoverAuthor
Are you CRAZY!!!!!!!
Was this once "crazy" at all the other jetty locations around fl?
I know these jetties are "man maintained" and likely would have opened and closed through the years, as storms have passed, if they were not. Why is it possible in all the other locations in fl.
What would the benefits to our community be, including the tremendous recreational perks Bobby J. mentioned?
Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?
SoWal Expert
Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?I have this image of surfers not being big into buying real estate. I have always thought of them as beach hippies, wanting to live out of a van or their Honda Element, parked somewhere near the beach. However, since FL is not like Cali, you cannot legally camp in your car on the roadside. ;-)
Beach LoverAuthor
Not legal under the present county codes which do not allow any armoring at the dune lake outlets. Those outlets are meant to open and close and meander - a permanent structure such as you are proposing would completely alter the lake ecology. I would suggest you educate yourself about coastal dune lakes and also the effects of jetties on beach erosion.
This is a terrible idea.
County codes are based on popular opinion! Popular opinion changes.
List some cons.
Beach LoverAuthor
I have this image of surfers not being big into buying real estate. I have always thought of them as beach hippies, wanting to live out of a van or their Honda Element, parked somewhere near the beach. However, since FL is not like Cali, you cannot legally camp in your car on the roadside. ;-)
I am sensitive to the plight of the surfer. I was thinking bigger though.
Baby Boomers, boat owners, that want to live on deep water access.
How long would the ditch be to connect the gulf to the bay near 283 and Bay drive?
Beach Fanatic
Was this once "crazy" at all the other jetty locations around fl?
I know these jetties are "man maintained" and likely would have opened and closed through the years, as storms have passed, if they were not. Why is it possible in all the other locations in fl.
There are no coastal dune lakes anywhere else in Florida. A coastal dune lake opens and closes in a complicated sequence of events that does not take place in any of the jetty locations you have in mind. Coastal dune lakes are globally rare and classified as imperiled. This is not popular opinion, it is science, which is often not popular. There are jetties at Destin Harbor - the bay is not a coastal dune lake. Likewise the jetties in Panama City at St Andrews Bay.
You seriously want to dig a ditch to connect the bay to the gulf?
I have no opinion on an offshore reef, which is not what you are proposing.
SoWal Expert
I am sensitive to the plight of the surfer. I was thinking bigger though.Why screw up one of the Lakes to do it? Rather than digging a 3.5 mile ditch along Bay Drive, why not start around Christian Ministries International, and go straight through? That would be a much shorter connection. Maybe St Joe will dig one through at WaterSound.
Baby Boomers, boat owners, that want to live on deep water access.
How long would the ditch be to connect the gulf to the bay near 283 and Bay drive?
SoWal Expert
County codes are based on popular opinion! Popular opinion changes.
List some cons.
Good grief- I can't even believe you had to ask for cons.
Parking.
Changing a nice little beach town into more of a traffic nightmare than it already is on Friday and Saturday nights in the summer.
Screwing around with mother nature so you have easier boat access or better surfing is pretty selfish. Why don't you work with what you have, or move somewhere that better fits your needs instead of artificially change the landscape to suit you?
Beach LoverAuthor
Good grief- I can't even believe you had to ask for cons.
Parking.
Changing a nice little beach town into more of a traffic nightmare than it already is on Friday and Saturday nights in the summer.
Screwing around with mother nature so you have easier boat access or better surfing is pretty selfish. Why don't you work with what you have, or move somewhere that better fits your needs instead of artificially change the landscape to suit you?
Man has been "screwing around with mother nature" and "artificially changing the landscape" to suit us since the beginning. Of man that is. A perfect example is the house you live in. What was there years ago?
List the pros and cons of the jetty/cut.
Beach LoverAuthor
What was the $829,000.00 proposed, or dedicated to western lake to be used for in the Coastal Dune Lakes & Renourishment letter @ beachtobay.org/html/lakes__renourishment.htm
Beach Fanatic
why don't you go with Blue Mt Vagrant and live somewhere else full time....
live somewhere else full time....
SoWal Insider
Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?
Yeah...that and the Fed lowering the fed target rate to 1%; having appraisers manufacture comps that enable them to "hit the numbers;" mortgage brokers using the "fog a mirror--get a loan" process to approve loans; investment banks and bond rating agencies getting into cahoots to package and sell MBS to clueless investors; and BUNCH of gullible investulators who believe that the "serious mention" of a inlet will double the value of their condo-box before it is even built.
Otherwise...no.
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Beach Fanatic
Cutting a jetty into a rare coastal dune lake is a little different then putting a jetty at the mouth of a bay. Bay mouths are used for commerce as well as recreation. I can not see the benefit in putting a a jetty on one of these lakes. I believe it will kill the delicate balance of these lakes.
Would it help the RE market? Nope, the market is going to go through what it has to go through. We have deep water connection here in the Daughettes. The canals have been dredged and it will soon connect to the inter coastal waterways. From my back yard you can be in the gulf in 35 minutes. That is the best you are going to get in SoWAl. Lets now talk about an artificial reef. Now thats got merit!
SJ, some of my best clients are surfers. They are laid back but a pleasure to deal with.
Would it help the RE market? Nope, the market is going to go through what it has to go through. We have deep water connection here in the Daughettes. The canals have been dredged and it will soon connect to the inter coastal waterways. From my back yard you can be in the gulf in 35 minutes. That is the best you are going to get in SoWAl. Lets now talk about an artificial reef. Now thats got merit!
SJ, some of my best clients are surfers. They are laid back but a pleasure to deal with.
SoWal Expert
What was the $829,000.00 proposed, or dedicated to western lake to be used for in the Coastal Dune Lakes & Renourishment letter @ beachtobay.org/html/lakes__renourishment.htm
Unfortunately, I believe that money is budgeted to try and control the outlfow/inflow location. The TDC (Tourist Development Council), in conjuction with Taylor Engineering, Inc, state:
"the meandering nature of these outlets directly threaten existing coastal development in their sweep path. [SIZE=-2] ...the meandering nature of these lake outlets have destroyed the longshore continuity of the dune system in their sweep paths and managment of these outlets is critical to ensure the long-term health of the beach system." -- P.49 Walton County Long-Range Beach Management Plan
Kind of crazy, especially since the TDC is trying to get people off the beach and into eco-tourism in Walton County. Shame on them!!!
It goes against Walton County's Seal -- Pride, Conservation, Preservation. I'm beginning to think that the County Officers and the TDC need to memorize the words on the County Seal and think about those words with their every decision.
Now what exactly that has to do with creating a jetty for your surfing, I have no idea. Care to explain?
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Beach LoverAuthor
Unfortunately, I believe that money is budgeted to try and control the outlfow/inflow location. The TDC (Tourist Development Council), in conjuction with Taylor Engineering, Inc, state:
"the meandering nature of these outlets directly threaten existing coastal development in their sweep path. [SIZE=-2] ...the meandering nature of these lake outlets have destroyed the longshore continuity of the dune system in their sweep paths and managment of these outlets is critical to ensure the long-term health of the beach system." -- P.49 Walton County Long-Range Beach Management Plan
Kind of crazy, especially since the TDC is trying to get people off the beach and into eco-tourism in Walton County. Shame on them!!!
It goes against Walton County's Seal -- Pride, Conservation, Preservation. I'm beginning to think that the County Officers and the TDC need to memorize the words on the County Seal and think about those words with their every decision.
Now what exactly that has to do with creating a jetty for your surfing, I have no idea. Care to explain?
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Thank you for the informative answers rather then the requests that I simply move away!!!
I did not link the TDC money to a jetty for surfing. I was asking how the money budgeted was to be spent.
Maybe Western Lake is not the best spot for the new cut. Your idea is novel.
SoWal Expert
Does anyone find it ironic that the TDC and Taylor Engineering, Inc state that the meandering outlets of the Lakes destroys the Dune systems? I guess they think that building on top of the dune systems has nothing to do with that. They probably think that the seawalls built on many properties, including the State's beaches, is the perfect answer, and they will use a bunch of money to direct Mother Nature at Western Lake. Any comments on that?
By the way, at the next WalCo Commissioners mtg, Nov 27, in Defuniak, the County Attorney has the following item on the agenda:
Coastal Armoring License Agreements
a.Johnnie Ross Malone Family Trust B
b.Roberta James and Kathy Ann James
c.Catherine Rodwell
I believe that "license agreement" gives permission for the homeowners, who built their seawalls on the public beach, to keep their seawalls on the public beach, at least until the DEP makes a ruling on their temporary permit status which Walton County screwed up, when misstating the rules to the Gulf-front property owners.
By the way, at the next WalCo Commissioners mtg, Nov 27, in Defuniak, the County Attorney has the following item on the agenda:
Coastal Armoring License Agreements
a.Johnnie Ross Malone Family Trust B
b.Roberta James and Kathy Ann James
c.Catherine Rodwell
I believe that "license agreement" gives permission for the homeowners, who built their seawalls on the public beach, to keep their seawalls on the public beach, at least until the DEP makes a ruling on their temporary permit status which Walton County screwed up, when misstating the rules to the Gulf-front property owners.
SWGB
I spoke with someone from the TDC about boat ramps around the area. She stated that the county was working on one in the IB area. Not sure what ever came of this. Anyone know anything about it? Would that work or would it be more convenient to murder the coastal dune lakes? I use the word murder because once you cut thru to the Gulf and install Jetties it is no longer a dune lake and becomes an inlet.
SoWal Expert
Man has been "screwing around with mother nature" and "artificially changing the landscape" to suit us since the beginning. Of man that is. A perfect example is the house you live in. What was there years ago?
List the pros and cons of the jetty/cut.
I gave you 3 cons- parking issues, traffic problems in Grayton, and messing with the dune lake.
I am not seeing any pros.
No, my house wasn't always here, but the original owners did not alter a dune lake to build it.
Yes, the landscape is changed a lot to suit our needs. I think it is now our job to make sure the changes are responsible and necessary. Creating a jetty for surfing is not necessary.
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