Anyone else find Susan Vallee's editorial in the Seaside Times, about the unfriendliness by owners there, including the sign wars in that bucolic setting, of merit? Seems Walton Sun and NW Fla Daily News are writing about some of it...but Susan really "told it like it is". Apparently there are a few Seagrove emails circulating telling recent "war stories" about verbal attacks by Seaside owners, including threats to call "security" if they didn't leave the "private" pavilions and streets immediately!
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SoWal Expert
I know there's a sign behind Rolly Polly, but I haven't seen one at the access point beside Cafe Spiazza (ever).You may be right. Next time I'm over that way, I'll check. There signs on the beaches are pretty clear that none of the beach accesses are public, and that is what I am basing my answer on.
Beach Lover
The Town Council removed a few signs so they could be reworded. They'll be going back up. I'm not sure about the one you're referencing though. I'll check.
SoWal Expert
I checked today, and the signs noting private access, which were posted at the entrance to the beach beside the Rolly Polly and under the obelisk, are still not back up.
I also noticed that Seaside finally torn down the kitchen of Cafe Spiazza, which reportedly was built on the adjacent lot.
I also noticed that Seaside finally torn down the kitchen of Cafe Spiazza, which reportedly was built on the adjacent lot.
Meow
I checked today, and the signs noting private access, which were posted at the entrance to the beach beside the Rolly Polly and under the obelisk, are still not back up.
I also noticed that Seaside finally torn down the kitchen of Cafe Spiazza, which reportedly was built on the adjacent lot.
...uh oh....the condos are coming the condos are coming.
Beach Fanatic
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Mr. Angel and I were on our way back to Seagrove from a nice walk up to Watercolor on 30A at a bout 3:30 this afternoon, and encountered a meeting at E. Ruskin of some official-looking folks along with (maybe) some residents or Seaside admin people. They seemed to be checking to see how to re-erect the "Private" street signposts that the county had Seaside remove last month, moving them closer to 30A than they had been, but still in the center of the street. Thank goodness we were walking on the county bike path/sidewalk - we might have been arrested!! Although I guess we did actually walk on E. Ruskin in order to get across. So - here we go again!
Mr. Angel and I were on our way back to Seagrove from a nice walk up to Watercolor on 30A at a bout 3:30 this afternoon, and encountered a meeting at E. Ruskin of some official-looking folks along with (maybe) some residents or Seaside admin people. They seemed to be checking to see how to re-erect the "Private" street signposts that the county had Seaside remove last month, moving them closer to 30A than they had been, but still in the center of the street. Thank goodness we were walking on the county bike path/sidewalk - we might have been arrested!! Although I guess we did actually walk on E. Ruskin in order to get across. So - here we go again!
Beach Fanatic
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I saw the same group, and wondered what was up. :scratch:
Did you actually hear them discussing the signs?
I saw the same group, and wondered what was up. :scratch:
Did you actually hear them discussing the signs?
SoWal Expert
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Judging by the placement of that sign in the photo, I guess they don't understand that it is in the County Right of Way. Best of luck to them. lol.
Judging by the placement of that sign in the photo, I guess they don't understand that it is in the County Right of Way. Best of luck to them. lol.
Beach Fanatic
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didn't overhear their conversation, but they seemed to be discussing possible placement, moving the post to several positions. there were what looked like policemen (with badges) and possibly firemen (?? not sure of badges) plus seaside residents.
I saw the same group, and wondered what was up. :scratch:
Did you actually hear them discussing the signs?
didn't overhear their conversation, but they seemed to be discussing possible placement, moving the post to several positions. there were what looked like policemen (with badges) and possibly firemen (?? not sure of badges) plus seaside residents.
Beach Fanatic
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I am
:roll:again...
just read the most recent issue of the Seaside Times. All the letters to the editor came from people who are against the private beach signs/attitude; and there is an Op Ed piece by Robert Davis indicating his displeasure.
So, who in Seaside has decided to make it a closed community with a private beach?
Anybody know?
I am
:roll:again...just read the most recent issue of the Seaside Times. All the letters to the editor came from people who are against the private beach signs/attitude; and there is an Op Ed piece by Robert Davis indicating his displeasure.
So, who in Seaside has decided to make it a closed community with a private beach?
Anybody know?
SWGB
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I saw the same group. Along with some small orange cones.
I saw the same group. Along with some small orange cones.
SoWal Expert
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I am taking the Zen approach - no matter where they put the post sign a SUV will run it over!
I am taking the Zen approach - no matter where they put the post sign a SUV will run it over!
SWGB
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Acute will always be overrun by obtuse?
I am taking the Zen approach - no matter where they put the post sign a SUV will run it over!
Acute will always be overrun by obtuse?
SoWal Expert
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More like the problem creater shall be the problem solver!
They can't park or drive them, so the issue will be resolved soon enough!
I reached Nirvana watching a Hummer drive from Dune Allen to Blue Mountain 2' over the center line. Those signs have no chance once the season begins! :rofl:
More like the problem creater shall be the problem solver!
They can't park or drive them, so the issue will be resolved soon enough!
I reached Nirvana watching a Hummer drive from Dune Allen to Blue Mountain 2' over the center line. Those signs have no chance once the season begins! :rofl:
Beach Fanatic
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They had a SWFD fire truck in Seaside last week, looked like they were testing how well it could make it around corners and through the streets...
didn't overhear their conversation, but they seemed to be discussing possible placement, moving the post to several positions. there were what looked like policemen (with badges) and possibly firemen (?? not sure of badges) plus seaside residents.
They had a SWFD fire truck in Seaside last week, looked like they were testing how well it could make it around corners and through the streets...
Beach Lover
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I had a friend down last weekend looking at property in the area. She picked up a Seaside Times and read the letters to the editor, etc. Was so turned off by all of the "unwelcome" type publicity decided against looking any further in the Seaside/Seagrove area. She felt their money could be better spent in a more friendly atmosphere.
I had a friend down last weekend looking at property in the area. She picked up a Seaside Times and read the letters to the editor, etc. Was so turned off by all of the "unwelcome" type publicity decided against looking any further in the Seaside/Seagrove area. She felt their money could be better spent in a more friendly atmosphere.
Beach Fanatic
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Your friend may have been a client I was working with. Decided that PC was a safer bet due to the "Private Beach" issues. They purchased in PC.
I had a friend down last weekend looking at property in the area. She picked up a Seaside Times and read the letters to the editor, etc. Was so turned off by all of the "unwelcome" type publicity decided against looking any further in the Seaside/Seagrove area. She felt their money could be better spent in a more friendly atmosphere.
Your friend may have been a client I was working with. Decided that PC was a safer bet due to the "Private Beach" issues. They purchased in PC.
Beach Fanatic
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We all knew this was coming. The other half is the folks who decide to vacation elsewhere, not to risk a confrontation with the sheriff on what was supposed to be a laid-back beach vacation.
I had a friend down last weekend looking at property in the area. She picked up a Seaside Times and read the letters to the editor, etc. Was so turned off by all of the "unwelcome" type publicity decided against looking any further in the Seaside/Seagrove area. She felt their money could be better spent in a more friendly atmosphere.
We all knew this was coming. The other half is the folks who decide to vacation elsewhere, not to risk a confrontation with the sheriff on what was supposed to be a laid-back beach vacation.
Beach Fanatic
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this reminds me so much of my sister's situation on nantucket. many of those who own homes there constantly bemoan the invasion of tourists and "day-trippers" (even though the vast majority of owners were once one or the other when they first came to the island). they all love their shops and wonderful restaurants, but would like the tourists and rabble to go away so that they could be enjoyed in peace. there is a complete disconnect for them that without the tourists, there would be no wonderful shops and restaurants because the full-time and (mostly) part-time islanders could not possibly support all of the businesses there.
in seaside, those who are now homeowners and are advocating the closing off of beaches, streets, etc., probably have forgotten what drew them there in the first place. and now they want to change seaside into a quasi-gated community - something it never was planned to be. it really is too bad - seaside has always been such a special place.
this reminds me so much of my sister's situation on nantucket. many of those who own homes there constantly bemoan the invasion of tourists and "day-trippers" (even though the vast majority of owners were once one or the other when they first came to the island). they all love their shops and wonderful restaurants, but would like the tourists and rabble to go away so that they could be enjoyed in peace. there is a complete disconnect for them that without the tourists, there would be no wonderful shops and restaurants because the full-time and (mostly) part-time islanders could not possibly support all of the businesses there.
in seaside, those who are now homeowners and are advocating the closing off of beaches, streets, etc., probably have forgotten what drew them there in the first place. and now they want to change seaside into a quasi-gated community - something it never was planned to be. it really is too bad - seaside has always been such a special place.
Beach Fanatic
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Remember, Seaside was the first New Urban development. At one point in the initial planning discussions with DPZ, they were trying to decide whether 30A should run through it or around it. They decided it needed to be open. You can see the DPZ influence in Rosemary and Alys, which are laid out the same way by the same planners. Ultimately, those 3 can never completely become gated in the way that Watersound is. But the owners can sure make then unpleasant to visit, if they choose to be that way.
in seaside, those who are now homeowners and are advocating the closing off of beaches, streets, etc., probably have forgotten what drew them there in the first place. and now they want to change seaside into a quasi-gated community - something it never was planned to be. it really is too bad - seaside has always been such a special place.
Remember, Seaside was the first New Urban development. At one point in the initial planning discussions with DPZ, they were trying to decide whether 30A should run through it or around it. They decided it needed to be open. You can see the DPZ influence in Rosemary and Alys, which are laid out the same way by the same planners. Ultimately, those 3 can never completely become gated in the way that Watersound is. But the owners can sure make then unpleasant to visit, if they choose to be that way.
Beach Fanatic
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I am afraid anyone will have to look a long time to find any community without some type of problem. We find Seaside to be very friendly, and we definitely do not own there.
I do understand the need for nonresidents to be able to access the shops and restuarants, however unless you are visiting a resident I see no need to be on the residential streets. The streets within Seaside are so small and crowded, I am sure the residents do have access problems.
As to the signs at the Beach I always took that to mean the pavillions and the access that Seaside has, is provided for the their residents, I never took it to mean that the actual beach was not public.
There are always two sides to any problems, and usually the turth lies in the middle.
I am afraid anyone will have to look a long time to find any community without some type of problem. We find Seaside to be very friendly, and we definitely do not own there.
I do understand the need for nonresidents to be able to access the shops and restuarants, however unless you are visiting a resident I see no need to be on the residential streets. The streets within Seaside are so small and crowded, I am sure the residents do have access problems.
As to the signs at the Beach I always took that to mean the pavillions and the access that Seaside has, is provided for the their residents, I never took it to mean that the actual beach was not public.
There are always two sides to any problems, and usually the turth lies in the middle.
SoWal Expert
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There really is no reason to ever be on any residential street unless you have some sort of business there and Seaside streets are not any narrower than most of the roads in Seagrove.
I think most of the issue w/ making the streets "private" has to do w/ non Seaside vacationers parking on them to use the beach accesses.
A "private" street is the antithesis of New Urbanism. :roll:
There really is no reason to ever be on any residential street unless you have some sort of business there and Seaside streets are not any narrower than most of the roads in Seagrove.
I think most of the issue w/ making the streets "private" has to do w/ non Seaside vacationers parking on them to use the beach accesses.
A "private" street is the antithesis of New Urbanism. :roll:
picky
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One of the greatest pleasures of Seaside is strolling around. How could you think that no one but a resident needs to do that?
I am afraid anyone will have to look a long time to find any community without some type of problem. We find Seaside to be very friendly, and we definitely do not own there.
I do understand the need for nonresidents to be able to access the shops and restuarants, however unless you are visiting a resident I see no need to be on the residential streets. The streets within Seaside are so small and crowded, I am sure the residents do have access problems.
As to the signs at the Beach I always took that to mean the pavillions and the access that Seaside has, is provided for the their residents, I never took it to mean that the actual beach was not public.
There are always two sides to any problems, and usually the turth lies in the middle.
One of the greatest pleasures of Seaside is strolling around. How could you think that no one but a resident needs to do that?
Beach Fanatic
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Part of the pleasure of a Seaside (or Rosemary Beach for that matter) visit is strolling through the residential areas enjoying the architecture there, and trying to spot the Seaside kitties and other wildlife.
Part of the pleasure of a Seaside (or Rosemary Beach for that matter) visit is strolling through the residential areas enjoying the architecture there, and trying to spot the Seaside kitties and other wildlife.
Beach Fanatic
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Not long ago those Seaside kitties were trapped and ?disposed of.? Cats first, tourists and neighbors next! Seaside was a lot friendlier when the cats were around.;-)
Part of the pleasure of a Seaside (or Rosemary Beach for that matter) visit is strolling through the residential areas enjoying the architecture there, and trying to spot the Seaside kitties and other wildlife.
Not long ago those Seaside kitties were trapped and ?disposed of.? Cats first, tourists and neighbors next! Seaside was a lot friendlier when the cats were around.;-)
SoWal Insider
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Hey Mermy, I interpreted it as Minnie meant cars driving around, not people walking around. I could be wrong though...
That is where I see the problem - cars driving around v e r y s l o w l y looking at everything and clogging up the streets.
One of the greatest pleasures of Seaside is strolling around. How could you think that no one but a resident needs to do that?
Hey Mermy, I interpreted it as Minnie meant cars driving around, not people walking around. I could be wrong though...
That is where I see the problem - cars driving around v e r y s l o w l y looking at everything and clogging up the streets.Checking your forum account
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