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Recycling in Walton County

NotDeadYet avatar
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This is from the WZEP news about the recent BCC meeting:
"Commissioner Meadows asked about providing a survey asking the public if they want a curb side recycling program. It could cost residents $5 a month. She says the current blue bag program is not working like they expected."

Didn't I just read that the county transferred money out of the landfill account for the Sheriff or the jail, something like that :confused:
I would like to have curbside recycling, but I don't particularly see why I should have to pay for it. It's my understanding trash pickup is paid for with the discretionary one-cent sales tax. Maybe Walton GOP or someone else can enlighten me? Is the sales tax collection inadequate, or is some of the money being used for something else? Is recycling that big of a money loser? :idontno:

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NotDeadYet avatar
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#52
Thanks for the idea. How would one get a hold of this information to begin with?

I'm a little out of my element with this, but willing to learn. :wave:
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I guess you could start with Bill Imfeld, the county finance director. 892-8470. It seems like it ought to be a simple question, but I suspect it might not be. :cool:
I think I posted somewhere on here that I seem to remember some of the landfill sales tax money went to the jail construction, or some such. I'm wondering what the total collection amounts to, and how the county spends it. I know the budget has "reserves" which is money earmarked for specific future expenditures, and maybe some of the money is hiding there :confused:

If you can unravel it, you will inded be "savvy" :biggrin:
JustaLocal avatar
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#53
Trailers are good, but tourists in rental units are not going to use them. Curbside is needed.

Residents who want to recycle, already do. Additional trailers would just make it more convenient for some.

If rentals are the problem, that is what we should address. Since the units have to be cleaned between renters anyway, it doesn?t seem like it would be a burden. Give the renters blue bags and instructions. Collect the recyclables (and drop them at the bins) when the unit is cleaned. If we are talking about mandatory recycling however, that?s another matter.
Furthur avatar
Beach Lover
#54
Recycling is so feel good but economically such a looser that many places that were doing it, N.Y.C. for example, have stopped. It just cost more than the pay back. Do you really think your trash is worth $ 85 a year per house that it will cost to pick up. The county could spend that money better on something else IMO.
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#55
help.
savvytangerine avatar
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#56
Residents who want to recycle, already do. Additional trailers would just make it more convenient for some.

If rentals are the problem, that is what we should address. Since the units have to be cleaned between renters anyway, it doesn?t seem like it would be a burden. Give the renters blue bags and instructions. Collect the recyclables (and drop them at the bins) when the unit is cleaned. If we are talking about mandatory recycling however, that?s another matter.

Thanks for the idea of getting house keeping involved! That is a wonderfully simple idea. :clap::clap: Are there any cleaning companies lurking that would consider adding this to their services?

I know that most places like Seaside have in-house cleaning, but don't think it would hurt for smaller companies to offer this as well. It might also make a little extra money for them! A win-win in my opinion.
Jdarg avatar
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#57
Recycling is so feel good but economically such a looser that many places that were doing it, N.Y.C. for example, have stopped. It just cost more than the pay back. Do you really think your trash is worth $ 85 a year per house that it will cost to pick up. The county could spend that money better on something else IMO.

People complain about $85 a year for curbside recycling? Wow. :shock: Sounds like a bargain to me.

I think it is hard to assign a dollar amount to reducing the amount of garbage going into landfills.
wrobert avatar
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#58
People complain about $85 a year for curbside recycling? Wow. :shock: Sounds like a bargain to me.

I think it is hard to assign a dollar amount to reducing the amount of garbage going into landfills.


How would they collect this? The reason we have the 1% sales tax in Walton County for landfill operations is more of a collection issue than anything else. When the thing went to a referendum it was defeated. The then sitting BCC did it anyway with a supermajority vote because something had to be done. Before we had this the county was serviced with dumpsters all over the place that the county picked up. And they were like many landfills, totally nasty. And many who did not want to drive just dumped it in the yard or around the corner.

I would think that there is still enough of a surplus in that fund to take care of this. Seems like every few months they are transferring out a few hundred thousand to do something else with.
Jdarg avatar
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#59
How would they collect this? The reason we have the 1% sales tax in Walton County for landfill operations is more of a collection issue than anything else. When the thing went to a referendum it was defeated. The then sitting BCC did it anyway with a supermajority vote because something had to be done. Before we had this the county was serviced with dumpsters all over the place that the county picked up. And they were like many landfills, totally nasty. And many who did not want to drive just dumped it in the yard or around the corner.

I would think that there is still enough of a surplus in that fund to take care of this. Seems like every few months they are transferring out a few hundred thousand to do something else with.


OK then! Let's find this surplus. We live in one of the most beautiful places anywhere, so it seems downright ignorant that we aren't a recycling community as a whole.

My original response to the $85/year recycling fee was based on shock- that a program was in place, and it only cost$85/year, and people complained.
wrobert avatar
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#60
[/b]OK then! Let's find this surplus. We live in one of the most beautiful places anywhere, so it seems downright ignorant that we aren't a recycling community as a whole.

My original response to the $85/year recycling fee was based on shock- that a program was in place, and it only cost$85/year, and people complained.

Okay I asked. Will let you know what I find out.
savvytangerine avatar
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#61
Thank you JDarg and WaltonGOP for working towards a solution on this! :clap:

I look forward to hearing what you find out WaltonGOP!
Smiling JOe avatar
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#62
Everyone needs to walk around on the top of a working landfill at least once. I have photos somewhere. It is awakening.
NotDeadYet avatar
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#63
Recycling is so feel good but economically such a looser that many places that were doing it, N.Y.C. for example, have stopped. It just cost more than the pay back. Do you really think your trash is worth $ 85 a year per house that it will cost to pick up. The county could spend that money better on something else IMO.

This post completely misses the point. Recycling is intended to reduce consumption of finite resources, like the oil that goes into plastics manufacturing.
It would not cost more if the true costs of producing goods were included in the final price of those goods. That is the flaw in using a market based analysis to decide whether something is really an economic looser. Your basic Chinese toaster includes nothing whatsoever for the very expensive cleanup that China is going to have to undertake one of these days, maybe when its rivers catch on fire. And that is just one little example. :angry:
Smiling JOe avatar
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#64
My toaster is clean up free, and still going strong since new in 1988, twenty years.
Furthur avatar
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#65
Spending $85 x 10.000 households to recover maybe a hundred thousand in recyclables just doesn't compute for me.
Especially in a county that has just cut back it's Meals on Wheels for lack of funds.
We don't even have a community center here in So Wal , or lots of other things.
If you want to do something to help the environment pave the roads. All of that erosion is killing the bay.
Keep the recycling effort voluntary. It is working fine thanks to all of the good people who support it.
We have much more pressing needs and precious little money to do it with.
Jdarg avatar
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#66
Spending $85 x 10.000 households to recover maybe a hundred thousand in recyclables just doesn't compute for me.
Especially in a county that has just cut back it's Meals on Wheels for lack of funds.
We don't even have a community center here in So Wal , or lots of other things.
If you want to do something to help the environment pave the roads. All of that erosion is killing the bay.
Keep the recycling effort voluntary. It is working fine thanks to all of the good people who support it.
We have much more pressing needs and precious little money to do it with.

Your post is making me think about our community as a whole, and the programs and services that we need now or will need in the future as we grow even more.

Has there ever been an effort to identify these programs and services that are vital parts of communities, and make a list of what we need here now and in the future?

Obviously, the programs you mentioned- community center, meals on wheels. Public swimming pool/water safety programs.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#67
This post completely misses the point. Recycling is intended to reduce consumption of finite resources, like the oil that goes into plastics manufacturing.
It would not cost more if the true costs of producing goods were included in the final price of those goods. That is the flaw in using a market based analysis to decide whether something is really an economic looser. Your basic Chinese toaster includes nothing whatsoever for the very expensive cleanup that China is going to have to undertake one of these days, maybe when its rivers catch on fire. And that is just one little example. :angry:

The Jan 2008 Nat'l Geographic has several good articles on what happens to old electronics and recycling basics.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/archives.html
Smiling JOe avatar
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#68
If you want to do something to help the environment pave the roads. All of that erosion is killing the bay.
Wow! I've never heard of this perspective of making and laying asphalt as being environmentally good for the earth.
JustaLocal avatar
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#69
The Jan 2008 Nat'l Geographic has several good articles on what happens to old electronics and recycling basics.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/archives.html

I was impressed with this article as well. It convinces me we need a better system. I think the best would be for places that sell electronics, fluorescent bulbs, and batteries should have to take back at least as much as they distribute.
NotDeadYet avatar
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#70
My toaster is clean up free, and still going strong since new in 1988, twenty years.
Where was it made??


Especially in a county that has just cut back it's Meals on Wheels for lack of funds.
We don't even have a community center here in So Wal , or lots of other things.
This misses the point also. The 1% sales tax is specifically allocated to the landfill. The cuts to other programs were cuts from general revenue. It is not a choice between a meals program or a recycling program.
And besides, reducing the amount of trash buried in the landfill will reduce the amount of land needed in the future. A real cost analysis would be interesting. I bet it would not show that recycling is the loser some people think it is, when you take all the long term factors into consideration.
scooterbug44 avatar
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#71
One statistic I've heard is that 65% of the content of landfills is stuff that could be recycled.

Considering the rate of expansion and the amount of trash produced in Sowal (and how much of it is glass, aluminum cans, or plastic bottles) I think a functional recycling program should be a high priority!
savvytangerine avatar
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#72
Good morning

Currently, any surplus from the one cent sales tax (which is what funds garbage collection) is used to fund the principal and interest repayments on the $30 million bank credit line for capital projects and for road and bridge projects. During the past eighteen months, we have fallen short on sales tax revenues from what Tallahassee has told us to budget. Therefore any "surplus" has been meager or non-existent.

I am not sure what kind of recycling projects are envisioned. However, I know that the ones proposed by the trash haulers are not cheap. I did some projections on the $4 per unit per month fee of Waste Management and $6 per month per unit fee that Dayco wants, and we come out with a cost of just under $2 million per year. We would end up paying whether a unit recycles of not, and that seems to be an extravagant waste of dollars.

I would be interested in other concepts, as I share a concern for our environment, and recycling is one of many ways to help a little in addressing those concerns.

Best regards,

Bill Imfeld
Finance Director

From: Savvytangerine
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:39 PM
To: William Imfeld
Subject: Walton County trash question..

Hi -

I am a member of Sowal.com/bb, a local message board. There is a group of us that are wanting to look into realistic options for recycling in this area.

Several have suggested that a good starting place would be seeing what (if any) available surplus funds exist from out current garbage program. Are you able to share this information with us?
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Thought everyone would be interested in this email.

I do think there are lots of programs that deserve better funding in this county.

I would love to try to think about a way to approach this problem from a different angle. What about a private company that would be willing to haul recycling for a monthly fee? What about the idea of some sort of corporate sponsorship? I'm a little unsure whether it is better to start by focusing on individual private communities or on the county as a whole.

Looking forward to seeing everyone's take on this! :wave:


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scooterbug44 avatar
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#73
I bet there is some sort of gov't grant/start up $ we can take advantage of to offset the $2 million.

How many times a week/month does that $2 million cover? Using WAY overly simplified math, if that estimate was to have recycling picked up as frequently as trash, we could save some $$$ by only having a weekly or bimonthly recycling route.
savvytangerine avatar
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#74
I bet there is some sort of gov't grant/start up $ we can take advantage of to offset the $2 million.

How many times a week/month does that $2 million cover? Using WAY overly simplified math, if that estimate was to have recycling picked up as frequently as trash, we could save some $$$ by only having a weekly or bimonthly recycling route.

Grayt thinking! :clap:

Does anyone have any expierence researching grants? :confused: I think that is a wonderful idea to encourage the county. I also think maybe a weekly pick up during season and then a bi-weekly pick up in off season... :idontno:

Personally I would pay a little a month/year to help cover my cost in recycling pick up. Maybe there could be a way for a suggested payment to help off-set the costs. (I don't mean a mandatory bill, or maybe their is a way to charge the private communities to ease the presure on the county?)

Loving this brainstorming! :wub::wave:
NotDeadYet avatar
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#75
Currently, any surplus from the one cent sales tax (which is what funds garbage collection) is used to fund the principal and interest repayments on the $30 million bank credit line for capital projects and for road and bridge projects. During the past eighteen months, we have fallen short on sales tax revenues from what Tallahassee has told us to budget. Therefore any "surplus" has been meager or non-existent.

So we have been using the surplus for something other than landfill/garbage. Until recently.
If I am reading this correctly, the reason we no longer have a surplus is because sales tax revenues declined below the estimate and therefore fell short of what was budgeted. But this begs the question. Is what was budgeted adequate or inadequate to fund present garbarge services? Was it all budgeted for garbage, or used elsewhere? Is it a case of, well, we think we are going to collect x number of dollars in sales tax, therefore we can spend x number of dollars, and therefore there is no surplus? :confused:
If we looked just at the 1% sales tax revenue and the cost for garbage/ landfill, are they even close? :confused:

See, this is what I meant when I said it should be an easy question but the answer might not be exactly straightforward.

Can someone help frame a new set of questions for Mr. Imfeld?
NotDeadYet avatar
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#76
Forgot to say, thank you, Savvy! :clap:

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