County wages

I hope that this person didn't send you confidential information within this spreadsheet...

Of the 263 that make under $15/hr, what is the breakdown of full-time to part-time?

I hope that this person didn't send you confidential information within this spreadsheet...

Of the 263 that make under $15/hr, what is the breakdown of full-time to part-time?

I will not post any names, or any other info. As a tax payer, we should be privy to what our dollars are paying our employees. There are 7 temp to FT employees, 1 new pt, 131 new employees. 4 are AR. the rest are COLA.

Just doing the math, the people making $30.60 per hour must be part time, because if they were full time, they would be making more than $60K per year, which would bump them into another category on your chart.

BTW, just because you want to know the info, doesn't necessarily mean that the information should be public knowledge. I'm sure that you realize that if the information is deemed confidential, the person who gave you the info, could lose their job.

I'm sure the county employees that post and lurk on SoWal are thrilled to know that someone is sending out their salary info. Even if it is public knowledge, it doesn't appear to be very ethical or productive on the part of the "gracious someone".

Why are you posting this?

Do you feel some are underpaid or some are overpaid?

'cuz right now all I'm getting is that 1) someone gave you info you shouldn't have 2) everyone working for the county makes more than minimum wage.

I will not post any names, or any other info.

WOW, so they really did send you a confidential document. Just wow.

WOW, so they really did send you a confidential document. Just wow.

I don't think it's confidential???

This type of info was provided to me for the DFS city budget in it's annual budget report. I just didn't post it. Used some minor stuff for an article.

I think it's public info that anyone can get.

I don't think it's confidential???

This type of info was provided to me for the DFS city budget in it's annual budget report. I just didn't post it. Used some minor stuff for an article.

I think it's public info that anyone can get.

The information is public record. These type of spreadsheets are obtained by the WCTA and other interested individuals on a regular basis to try to analyze pay scales and salary studies. All you have to do is make the request to the Human Resources section of the Board of County Commissioners. Personally, I find it very interesting that instead of the discussion being on the actual wages and how it compares to the private sector, everyone immediately focuses on the information being obtained in some sort of unethical manner.

And to why the thread was started, a month or so ago someone made some comments against tax cuts saying that local government workers were underpaid. Also on another thread the question was posed if deputies were going to get their pay raised to the national average. How can you have these discussions if you do not take into account what current pay grades are? Could you imagine arguing that the TDC Director is underpaid for the job then finding out it pays $122K+ per year? That may still be underpaid, but how could you make an argument either way without knowing how much it was?

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It may be public record, but I would rather see that info presented in a method other than an anonymous person on a message board. It just feels wrong.

It may be public record, but I would rather see that info presented in a method other than an anonymous person on a message board. It just feels wrong.

I understand but I believe that an attempt was made to start a discussion on the actual salaries and how they compare. The same information has been placed on the web in the past. The WCTA did it, and only placed positions and rate of pay, because they were trying to educate people on budget issues, not who made what. Problem is, the county is so small that everyone knew who made what by the position they held. It really did cause some problems when it was discovered that clerks for the tax collector were making less than custodians for the BCC.

To me the real story would be a comparison of all government pay scales with each other. Because the county is ruled by different constitutional offices, pay scales are vastly different. Unless things have changed dramatically in the last year, the BCC reigns in pay compared to the rest of the agencies.

The school district salaries are a whole different story. Since we are talking about pay, I do constantly here that we are not paying our teachers enough, we need to pay them more. Does anyone have any thoughts on just what a teacher should be making? While constantly saying we need to pay them more, without a goal, how will we know when we have accomplished anything?

I understand but I believe that an attempt was made to start a discussion on the actual salaries and how they compare.

If so, it was a poor attempt as discussion. There was only a posting of pay scales, and no question regarding thoughts, nor any comments. But, now that we are here, what do these numbers tell us? I can only guess that a janitor is making lower wages, plumber making middle wages, and executives making top wages. If you wanted to break out each salary based on job, longevity, productivity, etc, we might have something to talk about, but as you note, we aren't able to discuss something blindly.

It may be public record, but I would rather see that info presented in a method other than an anonymous person on a message board. It just feels wrong.

I can understand that as well.

I think some of it maybe feeling elected officials are fair game and employees deserve more privacy???

....what do these numbers tell us?

....very few can afford the median house price in the state of Florida.


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It may be public record, but I would rather see that info presented in a method other than an anonymous person on a message board. It just feels wrong.

I'd rather stick to the facts, not base situations on feelings. I can not feel like getting up today, but that doesn't make it against the law!

Why are you posting this?

Do you feel some are underpaid or some are overpaid?

'cuz right now all I'm getting is that 1) someone gave you info you shouldn't have 2) everyone working for the county makes more than minimum wage.

I'm posting this because I think people should know about it. When you expect county workers to perform a certain way, perhaps you are getting what you pay for. Gets back to "A real job!"

If so, it was a poor attempt as discussion. There was only a posting of pay scales, and no question regarding thoughts, nor any comments. But, now that we are here, what do these numbers tell us? I can only guess that a janitor is making lower wages, plumber making middle wages, and executives making top wages. If you wanted to break out each salary based on job, longevity, productivity, etc, we might have something to talk about, but as you note, we aren't able to discuss something blindly.

Maybe because you didn't think about it? How would you begin a discussion on county salaries? I think starting with the facts, is a good way to begin.

I understand but I believe that an attempt was made to start a discussion on the actual salaries and how they compare. The same information has been placed on the web in the past. The WCTA did it, and only placed positions and rate of pay, because they were trying to educate people on budget issues, not who made what. Problem is, the county is so small that everyone knew who made what by the position they held. It really did cause some problems when it was discovered that clerks for the tax collector were making less than custodians for the BCC.

To me the real story would be a comparison of all government pay scales with each other. Because the county is ruled by different constitutional offices, pay scales are vastly different. Unless things have changed dramatically in the last year, the BCC reigns in pay compared to the rest of the agencies.

The school district salaries are a whole different story. Since we are talking about pay, I do constantly here that we are not paying our teachers enough, we need to pay them more. Does anyone have any thoughts on just what a teacher should be making? While constantly saying we need to pay them more, without a goal, how will we know when we have accomplished anything?

Does anyone have the school salaries?

Maybe because you didn't think about it? How would you begin a discussion on county salaries? I think starting with the facts, is a good way to begin.

What does it matter, who posted something? That is a rather silly question. As stated, to begin a discussion, I would start with at least a question or a comment. Break downs of the number of people in each wage range, don't really tell me anything about particular positions being paid too much or too little.

Does anyone have the school salaries?

I have *one* school salary, but posting it would be revealing private, personal information. Posting ranges and grades is perfectly reasonable.

I think it is outrageous that anyone can seemingly get the individual salaries of those working for the county not elected or appointed to their position. What information is included? Redacted? Does Florida Girl, Walton GOP, or any other random person have a report that lists full names and addresses, direct deposit information, SSN's, withholding amounts, garnishments, or any other information regarding individual salaries? The implication is that they may, as Florida Girl stated:

I will not post any names, or any other info. As a tax payer, we should be privy to what our dollars are paying our employees.

Good for you not to post that information. It is unsettling that you may have it, though.

Florida Girl, you and I share a very similar view on the need and importance of bringing better, higher-wage and more diverse business and employment opportunities to our area.

I think it is outrageous that anyone can seemingly get the individual salaries of those working for the county not elected or appointed to their position. What information is included?

Outrageous or not, the information is public by the State Constitution and Florida Statute 119. Florida still has one of the most transparent public records laws in the country. Salaries, positions, employee names are public. SSN and medical information are private. The amount of public information on an individual is also enormous. All someone has to do is start looking. With the recent identity theft activity, steps have been taken to further lock down this information. At least they now redact ssn from the government websites. You use to be able to go on and get enough to apply for a loan right online. Living off the grid is certainly a possibility if you ask me.

Teachers do enjoy some additional protection as well as law enforcement officials. To see a teachers personell file the teacher has to first be notified that it is being inspected if I remember correctly. They can not stop it but they are notified of it. LEOs can request quite a bit of their residential information to be redacted from the public records also for safety reasons.

Seems I remember an election about 12 years ago in one of the constitutional offices where a candidate printed employee name and salary information on placards and placed them on windshields of vehicles parked at Wal-Mart and Winn-Dixie. GOP can correct me if I'm wrong.

As stated earlier, our personnel files, except SSN and medical info, are wide open. Fuzz's is as well, except for our address. And parts of his file have made their way into the newspaper before. :roll:

Seems I remember an election about 12 years ago in one of the constitutional offices where a candidate printed employee name and salary information on placards and placed them on windshields of vehicles parked at Wal-Mart and Winn-Dixie. GOP can correct me if I'm wrong.

As stated earlier, our personnel files, except SSN and medical info, are wide open. Fuzz's is as well, except for our address. And parts of his file have made their way into the newspaper before. :roll:

Tell him to make sure he notifies the SOE about his status. It amazes me when I am doing GOTV stuff the number of LEOs that have not made note that their information is private.

You are correct on the placards, and on the time frame. I had forgotten about that.

What does it matter if their address is not shown? Seems to me that a google or two, or a click on the property appraiser's office, will share the address.

What does it matter if their address is not shown? Seems to me that a google or two, or a click on the property appraiser's office, will share the address.

The purpose of it is to make their homes harder to find. It seems that a lot use their agency addresses for everything. I guess if they were worried that someone they locked up would be looking for them in the future they would take the steps to make it harder to find them.

I understand the why, but if someone was serious about wanting to get even, a quick trip to the library will get them all the answers they need. It is kind of a joke for anyone trying to hide their address these days.