After receiving a great deal of helpful info from this message board prior to our trip, I wanted to return the favor. Our family spent our annual week in Seaside much later than usual due to a cancellation caused by Dennis.
Seaside Beach Condition: The Seaside beach was spotty. Lots of black sand in some areas and none in others. If you picked your spot, it was fine. The beach was generally uncrowded and several evenings, it was deserted. The absence of walkways was a nuisance. The only access is behind the Seaside restaurants. I really don't buy that the stairs cannot be repaired at Seaside since other areas fixed theirs.
Red Tide: We caught the last of the red tide on Saturday, Oct. 1st. If this was the last of it, I am glad I was not there for the first of it. The beach smelled like 4 day old fish and the coughing and sneezing was definately there. I was really worried, but by Sunday afternoon, it was gone and did not reappear. I would not want to be there if it was present. Everyone who had been there before us said it ruined their days.
Water Quality: The water quality was horrible until Friday. The water looked like brown tea and visability was only a foot or two. It improved 50% by Friday and hopefully, it will be better.
The Biting Flies: They were there to a minor extent. Deep Woods off seemed to work. No major problems.
Food: Red Bar crabcakes were GREAT!!!!!!! Agelina's pizza was very good. Modica Market's muffins the greatest on earth. Shades and Pickles fast food fare was mediocre.
Customer Service: Always great at Seaside. Tennis pro was great and shop owners were very courteous. A neat new service is free movies for Seaside Cottage guests at a kiosk downtown. The selection was great.
Kids: My 4 and 7 year old thought they were in heavan.
Weather: Cloudy each day which kept it from getting too hot. Torrential downpours twice but ended fairly quickly. The prettiest day was the day we left.
Travel Costs: Don't forget American was running a 15,000 miles on-line special from DFW to Pensacola a month ago. Also, I did not know American fly into Fort Walton Beach. We will be flying there in the future. We rented a minivan from Dollar in Pensacola for $188 a week and it did great (except for getting stuck on the beach at Grayton while trying to find a Red Bar parking spot but that is another story......)
Summary: Great trip and wonderful time of year to be there. However, to justify Seaside's super premium price, they have to get the beach and its access back to snuff and based on what I heard while there, there really is no immediate plan to do so.
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Beach Lover
Great review!
The Seaside dunes and walkovers were perfectly restored after Hurricane Ivan last year at a cost close to $1,000,000. I am sure that once hurricane and turtle season is over, restoration from this year's destruction will commence. Most of the money to do the repair work must be assessed from the individual homeowners. This year, there is more interest in doing more than a quick fix that will be washed away in the next storm.
The Seaside dunes and walkovers were perfectly restored after Hurricane Ivan last year at a cost close to $1,000,000. I am sure that once hurricane and turtle season is over, restoration from this year's destruction will commence. Most of the money to do the repair work must be assessed from the individual homeowners. This year, there is more interest in doing more than a quick fix that will be washed away in the next storm.
Admin
Thanks for the report!
I don't know what Seaside will do about the walkovers. Someone posted that they may not rebuild all of them and just have one on each end. My guess is that they're looking into aluminum removeable ones like many others are doing, including WaterColor.
Personally, I think it would be a travesty not to rebuild them. I don't live or rent there, and if I did, I would feel even more strongly about rebuilding. I understand that the Natchez stairs were unique and very expensive to build so I might consider rebuilding "normal" stairs there.
Seaside and the homeowners association should rebuild all of them, no matter how often they need to be done, and consider it a cost of doing business. And what a profitable and unique business it is.
I would be interested to hear other's views, especially homeowners. And updates.
I don't know what Seaside will do about the walkovers. Someone posted that they may not rebuild all of them and just have one on each end. My guess is that they're looking into aluminum removeable ones like many others are doing, including WaterColor.
Personally, I think it would be a travesty not to rebuild them. I don't live or rent there, and if I did, I would feel even more strongly about rebuilding. I understand that the Natchez stairs were unique and very expensive to build so I might consider rebuilding "normal" stairs there.
Seaside and the homeowners association should rebuild all of them, no matter how often they need to be done, and consider it a cost of doing business. And what a profitable and unique business it is.
I would be interested to hear other's views, especially homeowners. And updates.
picky
Thanks for the report!
I don't know what Seaside will do about the walkovers. Someone posted that they may not rebuild all of them and just have one on each end. My guess is that they're looking into aluminum removeable ones like many others are doing, including WaterColor.
Personally, I think it would be a travesty not to rebuild them. I don't live or rent there, and if I did, I would feel even more strongly about rebuilding. I understand that the Natchez stairs were unique and very expensive to build so I might consider rebuilding "normal" stairs there.
Seaside and the homeowners association should rebuild all of them, no matter how often they need to be done, and consider it a cost of doing business. And what a profitable and unique business it is.
I would be interested to hear other's views, especially homeowners. And updates.
Kurt, it's funny that you said that, because my husband said exactly the same thing himself, word for word! We walked over to Seaside on Friday morning to Modica Market for coffee (we were really aiming for Seagrove Village Market but their brunch doesn't start until 10:30 am and we were up much earlier than that). Anyway, after some of their excellent coffee and fabulous muffins, we walked back to our condo via the beach rather than the walking/biking path. The sand path down the beach, right near Bud and Alley's, is STEEP! I don't think that's acceptable and hope that it's only a very short-term solution. My husband commented that when you stay at Seaside, you pay a premium price--and this we know from the many times we have rented at Seaside over the years--and for that price, you expect the whole enchilada. That doesn't mean beach access that is nothing more than a piled up mountain of sand, not when everyone else on the beach is rebuilding their steps. We can certainly understand Natchez walkover not being replaced exactly as is (that was indeed a work of art) but not to rebuild the other walkovers???? C'mon now, Seaside! You can do better than that......
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Beach Crab
We stayed at Rosemary Beach this year after five years of staying at Seaside. None of the beaches look great, however, the Rosemary Beach area looks somewhat better than the Seaside beach. At least you had an actual walk-over--instead of having to travel down the dunes. The condition of the Seaside beach brought tears to my eyes.
Overall, we enjoyed Rosemary Beach. We also took advantage of the 15,000 mile fare sale and flew directly from DFW to Fort Walton Beach. The flight and the airport were great. We also loved the house we rented at Rosemary Beach. With the increased traffic on 30-A, being closer to the beach is far safer for our three children--ages 11, 9 and 4.
We have so many fond memories of Seaside and now of Rosemary Beach, but we won't be visiting the area any time soon. It's very expensive and we want perfect beaches to justify the expense. We will be looking elsewhere for our annual beach vacation for the next two to three years or until these beaches recover.
Overall, we enjoyed Rosemary Beach. We also took advantage of the 15,000 mile fare sale and flew directly from DFW to Fort Walton Beach. The flight and the airport were great. We also loved the house we rented at Rosemary Beach. With the increased traffic on 30-A, being closer to the beach is far safer for our three children--ages 11, 9 and 4.
We have so many fond memories of Seaside and now of Rosemary Beach, but we won't be visiting the area any time soon. It's very expensive and we want perfect beaches to justify the expense. We will be looking elsewhere for our annual beach vacation for the next two to three years or until these beaches recover.
beats on hood
Don't give up on SoWal! We rebuild our private walkover within a week after each storm (so 4 times in the past year). As owners, *we* want to be able to go to the beach without driving somewhere. We are only allowed 15 rentals a year by our covenants, and some of our owners don't rent at all. PM me if you want to know the names of rentals for which you can feel confident that a walkover will always be available within a week of a storm.
BTW we always stayed at Rosemary when we were building our home. The architecture there is beautiful; we plagiarized quite a few ideas while staying there. But it still has a "rental" atmosphere, as opposed to an atmosphere in which owners would never think of, for example, throwing trash on the beach or being noisy or not taking care of the beauty of the place.
BTW we always stayed at Rosemary when we were building our home. The architecture there is beautiful; we plagiarized quite a few ideas while staying there. But it still has a "rental" atmosphere, as opposed to an atmosphere in which owners would never think of, for example, throwing trash on the beach or being noisy or not taking care of the beauty of the place.
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SoWal Insider
We stayed at Rosemary Beach this year after five years of staying at Seaside. None of the beaches look great, however, the Rosemary Beach area looks somewhat better than the Seaside beach. At least you had an actual walk-over--instead of having to travel down the dunes. The condition of the Seaside beach brought tears to my eyes.
Overall, we enjoyed Rosemary Beach. We also took advantage of the 15,000 mile fare sale and flew directly from DFW to Fort Walton Beach. The flight and the airport were great. We also loved the house we rented at Rosemary Beach. With the increased traffic on 30-A, being closer to the beach is far safer for our three children--ages 11, 9 and 4.
We have so many fond memories of Seaside and now of Rosemary Beach, but we won't be visiting the area any time soon. It's very expensive and we want perfect beaches to justify the expense. We will be looking elsewhere for our annual beach vacation for the next two to three years or until these beaches recover.
We've been considering Rosemary Beach over Seaside. Would you say that Rosemary is better overall? What would your pros and cons be? We've thought that Seaside has been on the decline over the past 5-6 years.We want a "neighborhood" with the amenities, rather than a stand-alone condo.
beats on hood
We've been considering Rosemary Beach over Seaside. Would you say that Rosemary is better overall? What would your pros and cons be? We've thought that Seaside has been on the decline over the past 5-6 years.We want a "neighborhood" with the amenities, rather than a stand-alone condo.From a renter's point of view, I much prefer Rosemary as long as you're south of 30-A, and there are many such choices at Rosemary, as compared to Seaside. Crossing 30-A to get to the beach at Seaside is scary. And from our experience you can rent a much larger and nicer place at Rosemary than at Seaside for less money. Either resort drives me crazy after a while - too many people crammed in too small of a place. I prefer a private home with a private pool and not having to cross a road to get to the beach (aka my neighborhood).
SoWal Insider
From a renter's point of view, I much prefer Rosemary as long as you're south of 30-A, and there are many such choices at Rosemary, as compared to Seaside. Crossing 30-A to get to the beach at Seaside is scary. And from our experience you can rent a much larger and nicer place at Rosemary than at Seaside for less money. Either resort drives me crazy after a while - too many people crammed in too small of a place. I prefer a private home with a private pool and not having to cross a road to get to the beach (aka my neighborhood).Thanks for the info. However, when I check Rosemary's rates, they actually seem to be much higher in price than Seaside, albiet newer and fresher rentals, etc. (The same goes for WaterColor.) It used to be back in the day when it was only Seaside, more or less, that seemed so $$$$. Now it's cheaper than a lot of places!!!
SoWal Staff
We've been considering Rosemary Beach over Seaside. Would you say that Rosemary is better overall? What would your pros and cons be? We've thought that Seaside has been on the decline over the past 5-6 years.We want a "neighborhood" with the amenities, rather than a stand-alone condo.
IMHO, I think Seaside is more of a "neighborhood" than Rosemary. But probably because I'm there more than I am at my house down the road.
SoWal Insider
Thanks for the info. However, when I check Rosemary's rates, they actually seem to be much higher in price than Seaside, albiet newer and fresher rentals, etc. (The same goes for WaterColor.) It used to be back in the day when it was only Seaside, more or less, that seemed so $$$$. Now it's cheaper than a lot of places!!!
We live next to Rosemary. It's great, but I agree. The neighborhood feeling is just not there.
beats on hood
Thanks for the info. However, when I check Rosemary's rates, they actually seem to be much higher in price than Seaside, albiet newer and fresher rentals, etc. (The same goes for WaterColor.) It used to be back in the day when it was only Seaside, more or less, that seemed so $$$$. Now it's cheaper than a lot of places!!!You might be right about rates. We moved into our home in November of 2002, so rates might have changed. But still there is more property south of 30-A at Rosemary than at Seaside, so a much safer beach access. The green spaces at Rosemary are a nice touch, as compared to the commercial and trafficky feeling on the south side of 30-A at Seaside. I just don't want to have to worry about one of my family members or friends getting hit by a car while walking to the beach. That's less likely at Rosemary than Seaside.
Funnkalicious
You might be right about rates. We moved into our home in November of 2002, so rates might have changed. But still there is more property south of 30-A at Rosemary than at Seaside, so a much safer beach access. The green spaces at Rosemary are a nice touch, as compared to the commercial and trafficky feeling on the south side of 30-A at Seaside. I just don't want to have to worry about one of my family members or friends getting hit by a car while walking to the beach. That's less likely at Rosemary than Seaside.
Agreed. Rosemary has really grown on me lately. I feel like Seaside ran its course as a cute little town. Its settled now and I think the Rosemary end of 30-A is going to be a lot calmer. Even if it takes you 30 minutes to get from Grayton over there through all the traffic. :roll:
bean
Agreed. Rosemary has really grown on me lately. I feel like Seaside ran its course as a cute little town. Its settled now and I think the Rosemary end of 30-A is going to be a lot calmer. Even if it takes you 30 minutes to get from Grayton over there through all the traffic. :roll:
Two years ago we rented a house in Water's Edge right next door to Rosemary. It was nice but maybe just a little too quiet. Things are picking up down on that end of 30-A but I wanted to be closer to the action and Grayton Beach! I really don't see the fascination with Seaside. I love to visit there but why would you want to walk so far to the beach and pay the high prices? I guess if you are staying longer than a week you may be able to enjoy the ammenities and the neighborhood.
picky
I thought I was the only one not so enamoured of Seaside any more. I still like it a lot, don't get me wrong, but I think it's resting on its laurels and hasn't yet noticed that it is not the Queen of the Beach any more, that places like Watercolor and Rosemary Beach are overtaking it in terms of style and substance. Seaside is nowhere as unique as it once was. Another thing I noticed, and this is my experience only, but the last few cottages we stayed at were getting a little worn around the edges and in need of some deep cleaning and maintenance. I know I'm picky about things like that, but if you're charging top dollar for rental, then you should be offering a 100% product.
Funnkalicious
Two years ago we rented a house in Water's Edge right next door to Rosemary. It was nice but maybe just a little too quiet. Things are picking up down on that end of 30-A but I wanted to be closer to the action and Grayton Beach! I really don't see the fascination with Seaside. I love to visit there but why would you want to walk so far to the beach and pay the high prices? I guess if you are staying longer than a week you may be able to enjoy the ammenities and the neighborhood.
Yep...I agree. My biggest draw is Bud's...after hours! Or at sunset. I prefer Grayton over any of them personally.
SoWal Staff
Yep...I agree. My biggest draw is Bud's...after hours! Or at sunset. I prefer Grayton over any of them personally.
Rosemary has "the greens" that are great for bocce ball.
Check my avatar for accuracy.
And I agree that Seaside has run it's course. That's why it's getting a face lift over the next 5 years.
Admin
The less it looks like Truman's town the better off we'll be. Age is good for a place. Fond memories of the next generation will keep demand high.
percy
Great review!At the risk of sounding totally clueless, I have to ask--so, does that mean the walkovers in Seaside were replaced after Ivan and then detroyed again after Dennis? We haven't been down in a year, so I have no point of reference, sorry.
The Seaside dunes and walkovers were perfectly restored after Hurricane Ivan last year at a cost close to $1,000,000. I am sure that once hurricane and turtle season is over, restoration from this year's destruction will commence. Most of the money to do the repair work must be assessed from the individual homeowners. This year, there is more interest in doing more than a quick fix that will be washed away in the next storm.
SoWal Expert
At the risk of sounding totally clueless, I have to ask--so, does that mean the walkovers in Seaside were replaced after Ivan and then detroyed again after Dennis? We haven't been down in a year, so I have no point of reference, sorry.
You are correct. Seaside will be waiting until Hurricane season is over before constructing any walkovers.
percy
Thanks for the report!What is the saying--With great privilege comes great responsibility...? I may be badly paraphrasing, but I think that's what applies here, definitely.
I don't know what Seaside will do about the walkovers. Someone posted that they may not rebuild all of them and just have one on each end. My guess is that they're looking into aluminum removeable ones like many others are doing, including WaterColor.
Personally, I think it would be a travesty not to rebuild them. I don't live or rent there, and if I did, I would feel even more strongly about rebuilding. I understand that the Natchez stairs were unique and very expensive to build so I might consider rebuilding "normal" stairs there.
Seaside and the homeowners association should rebuild all of them, no matter how often they need to be done, and consider it a cost of doing business. And what a profitable and unique business it is.
I would be interested to hear other's views, especially homeowners. And updates.
percy
The sand path down the beach, right near Bud and Alley's, is STEEP! I don't think that's acceptable and hope that it's only a very short-term solution. My husband commented that when you stay at Seaside, you pay a premium price--and this we know from the many times we have rented at Seaside over the years--and for that price, you expect the whole enchilada.Most definitely. We don't stay at Seaside any more for a several reasons, but I guarantee you if we were paying those prices, my expectations would be proportionately high, fair or not.
percy
Thanks for the info. However, when I check Rosemary's rates, they actually seem to be much higher in price than Seaside, albiet newer and fresher rentals, etc. (The same goes for WaterColor.) It used to be back in the day when it was only Seaside, more or less, that seemed so $$$$. Now it's cheaper than a lot of places!!!I've checked rates this year, and I didn't find that to be true, though not sure what size house you're looking for. I actually found RB to be less expensive, but I was only choosing from VRBO rentals.
got any pics?
Great review!
The Seaside dunes and walkovers were perfectly restored after Hurricane Ivan last year at a cost close to $1,000,000. I am sure that once hurricane and turtle season is over, restoration from this year's destruction will commence. Most of the money to do the repair work must be assessed from the individual homeowners. This year, there is more interest in doing more than a quick fix that will be washed away in the next storm.
Did I hear this right??? $1,000,000 to build new walkovers??? I'm in the wrong business!! :shock:
Beach Fanatic
Did I hear this right??? $1,000,000 to build new walkovers??? I'm in the wrong business!! :shock:
got any pics?
:scratch: Hmmmm.... need a salesman
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