Enforcement for remove it or lose it?

There isn't much we haven't discussed:

http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=19777

Duly noted.

I would be tempted to pick things up and remove or toss them, but would worry about a confrontation with an angry item owner.
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Repeat after me:

Oops, my bad! It's so easy to get confused - these tents look so similar!

And wear a bikini - they'll either be too distracted or too horrified/scared to argue! ;-)

You're absolutely right about SoWal.com. This board being community oriented is exactly how technology can be very very useful. Lumping my theories on this board is ironic as SoWal is one of a few exceptions to my rule.

Though I believe you have me at a disadvantage. It's no secret who I am (I don't think), but I'd love to know who a scooterbug is. Perhaps I do and didn't realize. We need a SoWal gang-sign to throw to one another. Maybe just a .

I've totally hijacked this thread...apologies all around.

Hijack skillz makes you a true SoWaller.

I'm Home. I thought I was the only one with these feelings. CE doesn't run trucks after dark to pick up items. I feel then it's up to County Residents to flood CE phone lines 850-622-000 with complaints. Otherwise finders keepers losers weeper. Throw away after dark whatever you like the signs say it's debris. So dispose of properly. Chair Rental Companies please take note. The biggest offenders IMO!

I'm Home. I thought I was the only one with these feelings. CE doesn't run trucks after dark to pick up items. I feel then it's up to County Residents to flood CE phone lines 850-622-000 with complaints. Otherwise finders keepers losers weeper. Throw away after dark whatever you like the signs say it's debris. So dispose of properly. Chair Rental Companies please take note. The biggest offenders IMO!

Excellent idea. I was looking at the BMB webcam yesterday and today and see a suspicious tent. Can someone give me the exact location of that part of the beach? If I can watch that area from Dallas, I'll gladly call CE with the facts.

http://ajs01.dyndns.org/top.htm?Currenttime=2007-05-08%2017:37:52

This has me steaming mad. Seems like so much progress was being made last year and now it is being thrown away...unlike that crap left on the beach.

Never mind...got the location from the website. Would this be considered "private beach"?

Kitty, get on the SoWal cam. There is a suspicious blue tent in Grayton near the Lake outflow.

Curious, how many code enforcers and night-time junk gatherers do you suppose even half of $260,000 would buy, so hard core violators can get their just desserts? I'm more worried about where the money will come from to support "remove it or loose it" and will it be enough to make the campaign not just a threat but a reality all summer long.

Kitty, get on the SoWal cam. There is a suspicious blue tent in Grayton near the Lake outflow.

Help me! Where is the SoWal cam?! I can't find it!


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I'm an idiot. Never mind. (For other idiots, it's the tab that says "BeachCam")

Curious, how many code enforcers and night-time junk gatherers do you suppose even half of $260,000 would buy, so hard core violators can get their just desserts? I'm more worried about where the money will come from to support "remove it or loose it" and will it be enough to make the campaign not just a threat but a reality all summer long.

Not sure the cost, but daily labor and a few trucks adds up quickly. However, creating unenforced laws and ordinances is about like raising a child and only threatening them with Time-Out. -- Empty threats are used as power grabs by the child, and the parents drive themselves mad. My biggest suggestion is to not make ordinances which you don't enforce.

I vote tent.

Whatever it is, it's still there. :angry:

BMBcam went dark on me, but I noticed earlier that the spider looking tent was taken down.

I so agree with SJ about making ordinances you cannot keep. What's the pucking point?

Not sure the cost, but daily labor and a few trucks adds up quickly. However, creating unenforced laws and ordinances is about like raising a child and only threatening them with Time-Out. -- Empty threats are used as power grabs by the child, and the parents drive themselves mad. My biggest suggestion is to not make ordinances which you don't enforce.

All I keep thinking about are things like citizen's arrest... Don't laugh at the idea of me & the three hooligans (they got on my last nerve tonight, ask closer2fine) "arresting" people leaving their stuff overnight/all week. Oldest would love it because she's such an animal lover.

Seriously, if they are making the ordinances, isn't it lawful for anyone seeing the ordinance being broken to alert the party that they are breaking the law? Besides the option of calling CE because I don't have a cell phone on the beach, what other real options are there?

I do like scooter's idea of the rubber turtle. Maybe we should add Paul Lowery's book "Where Do All the Sea Turtles Go?" so that the kids can read about what their parents are doing & so they can adopt a sea turtle & make their parents feel really good about themselves.

Friday Morning's Catch

Please close when not viewing. Enjoy!! 2008-05-30 05:54:31

I need to clarify...this webcam updates itself. Earlier this morning there were a few umbrellas and rafts that were obviously left out overnight. There were also some commercial looking green chairs and umbrellas at the dune.

Where's that?

Way less stuff than at Eastern Lake.

Where's that?

Way less stuff than at Eastern Lake.

Sorry, that's from the BMB webcam located behind the Blue Mountain Villas.

Could you post a pic of the stuff over your way?

Sorry, that's from the BMB webcam located behind the Blue Mountain Villas.

Could you post a pic of the stuff over your way?

Well, I posted before walking today. I was pleasantly surprised that most of the stuff was gone. The one guy with the catamaran, previously mentioned by TNJed, still had the boat and a mojor encampment, but most of the rest were gone.

And a good word for TNJed, too. At 6:15 today, all his chairs and umbrellas were neatly piled back at the dune line.

The biggest reason for the tents not being on the beach this week has been that the people all left last Sunday. This week has been a slooooowww week.

To cut cost...confiscate it, hold it, sell it back to them(fine) or sell to new tourist that need it for a week..everybody wins.

Can the owners be fined for littering? I photograph families on the beach and the abandoned stuff sure makes it harder for me to get a nice view. Every time I see a big hole, I tell the client children why they are hurtful and dangerous and ask them to help me fill it in. I am always amazed that they have not even considered why holes need to be fixed when you are finished playing ( I understand that kids love to dig).

I was walking along Miramar Beach this am and saw a TDC guy picking up a tent (There were many tents in the area and this was at 7 am) I gave him a hand and asked if he was picking them all up - because I would stay around to help. He replied that no they were just picking up the ones that had been abandoned after Memorial Day weekend and that they were still deciding how to handle the situation. When I mentioned selling the new chairs and umbrellas and toys he had in the back of the truck (it was jammed pack) he said they felt that sent a mixed message. You confiscate it and then you sell it. I really think he has a thankless job. People like me complaining he isn't picking up enough - however so nicely I tried to do it - and other people complaining he is taking their stuff. I was thinking of running off copies of the Remove it or Lose It article and taping them to the tents etc. - But maybe my paper will just become more litter on the beach.

Let us suppose there is so much junk left on the beach everyday, that those charged with cleanup cannot possibly pick it up in one day. This seems to be how clean up started last year. The cleanup management method was, as I recall, different sections of the beach were designated for a clean sweep on a certain day of the week. This would only make SoWal Patrol and stealth nightly beach cleanups necessary on the off days.

I can't even believe we have to start this battle practically from scratch. Is this battle over leaving stuff on the beach overnight going to happen every year??

I can't even believe we have to start this battle practically from scratch. Is this battle over leaving stuff on the beach overnight going to happen every year??

From my experience regarding Sowal beaches, the answer is yes.

From my experience regarding Sowal beaches, the answer is yes.

No wonder so much tequila is consumed in SoWal!!

Saw several tents piled high with all sorts of junk at the end of the day between Mistral and Watersound in Seacrest. Several groups of rental chairs and umbrella's too that were NOT picked up according to someone I spoke to that lives on the beach there. The tents stayed overnight also and must seem like a brick wall to any turtle that wants to lay her eggs on the beach. Long beach walks are no longer enjoyable especially when you have to navigate around all this stuff and watch for holes at the same time.